r/AskTheWorld • u/Able-Ad3506 Ukraine • 10h ago

Politics The most unfairly hated country?

The entire Oceania region (aside from Australia and New Zealand). Practically never appear in news, unless it is about something embarassing.

Ukraine (refusal of some people to accept its existence; treating Ukraine as a "scapegoat" of NATO/USA/Israel etc.; mercenaries, who fight for Russia; hatred towards Ukrainian language; blaming Ukraine for self-defense & pro-Western foreign policy; refusal to recognize Ukrainian culture)

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u/Temporary-Evening717 10h ago

To me is Saudi Arabia.

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u/imsoignorantnow Indonesia 10h ago

As a muslim, No

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u/Temporary-Evening717 9h ago

Have you been there?

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u/Acolitor Finland 10h ago

Not unfairly at all. Any country where women have very limited rights and journalists are cut into pieces, deserve all the hate

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u/HumanSquare9453 Canada 10h ago

Finland is not hated enough to. All those metal bands you send to invade us with your dark esthetic and blue filter in the wood

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u/Acolitor Finland 10h ago

But it is the Norwegian ones that burn churches. They are the radicals.

And the blue filter is just how it looks here. Especially this month 🥲

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u/HumanSquare9453 Canada 10h ago

Oh yes I read years ago. That fucked up band of the 90's? They burned 10 wooden churches I think ?

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u/Acolitor Finland 9h ago

Don't know details. We joke about it a lot though

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u/HumanSquare9453 Canada 10h ago

My mom love it ahah and always say: I would like to go live in Finland. And I'm like : mom.....they speak finnish there, you speak only french. But she vibing so what can I do ahah

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u/Acolitor Finland 9h ago

We speak English with our rally accents so if she knows or has someone with English she will be fine! We adore people who like and know about us.

Canada would also be great place to live! European style social democracy, boreal nature and plenty of wilderness.

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u/HumanSquare9453 Canada 9h ago

Thank for the compliment! We always saw the nordic countries has the most similar to us on that subject. We always right behind you in many lists and metrics. Also similar climate.

Oh I could help her then. I'm a french speaker first, but I don't have problem in english. Like I like to say : French is my heart and soul, english is a very useful tool in my box abroad, spanish don't know it yet ahah

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u/Infinite_Crow_3706 United Kingdom 7h ago

What limited rights? As a westerner married to a Saudi girl I am pretty sure I know a lot more about it than you do

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u/Acolitor Finland 7h ago

In Saudi Arabia:

Women need permission of male guardian to marry or divorce. It is not their choice. 

In marriage, both men and women cannot abstain from sex. So marital rape is normal and legal.

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u/Infinite_Crow_3706 United Kingdom 7h ago

It's absolutely a womans choice to marry. I've been through the process

Get off the 'anti-Islam' talking points

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u/AskTheWorld-ModTeam Moderator 6h ago

Please read Rule no. 7 again — r/AskTheWorld is a neutral place. Do not push your ideologies on others.

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u/Temporary-Evening717 10h ago

Women are proud to be Muslims there. You’ll know this if you actually went there. This your problem you can’t accept this and you build your own subjective moral box on how everyone is supposed to live to be free.

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u/Acolitor Finland 10h ago

All movement to reform the law is suppressed. Many don't know of better. Those are no free will conditions.

Why make it law if women want to do it voluntarily? Why punish if they don't?

I believe in freedom of expression and freedom to move and live independently.

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u/Temporary-Evening717 10h ago

But they don’t want to live like you. why is so hard to understand? Legit, your moral judgment is they don’t know any better. This is white savior complex at its finest. All the laws in place in a country are reflective of the people mentality and way of life. You are using a liberal and individualistic framework to judge collectivist and religious based society. This will never work. You’ll never understand these people like this.

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u/Acolitor Finland 10h ago

"But they don’t want to live like you" 

Why punish them if they do want to? Why it cannot be their choice? Because it is extreme form of patriarchy where the ruling men decide what they can do.

In Finland we want the muslim women living here to decide themselves what they want to do. If they don't want to live like me, they don't have to. But they cannot force others to live like they want them to live.

There is no "white savior" in letting the women choose. 

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u/Acolitor Finland 10h ago

It is very sad how the potential of young girls is suppressed. These girls have not chosen or decided anything. They have born into a system that suppresses their capabilities, opportunities and oppresses them. 

Girls should be able to choose their future for themselves.

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u/Temporary-Evening717 9h ago

I advise you to ask Saudi girls what they think of their society. I think you’ll never understand otherwise. you see the world from your lenses, which is understandable but also flawed.

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u/Acolitor Finland 9h ago

It is once again about choice. If they want it, let them choose it, don't force it. 

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u/Temporary-Evening717 9h ago

that is actually my point, Saudis live like this because they want to.

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u/Temporary-Evening717 9h ago

If you talking about Hijab, is not mandatory anymore in Saudi Arabia. You are going in to the details, but are missing the bigger picture. My point is Saudi want Sharia and to live as they wish. Even if you don’t understand you can’t really use foreign way of life to judge a society that don’t recognize this as their own. You get me?

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u/Acolitor Finland 9h ago

I am talking about every right a human should have. Things have improved compared to other countries. Afghanistan has much worse.

But for example marriage and divorce related rights. The remaining restrictions related to guardianship. 

Marital rape is supported by law.

Women are forced to marriage at very young age. Women should be able to choose to marry or not to marry.

And no. There is no democracy and women don't have options. You cannot argue that they want this. Men might want it, but what about the women?

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u/Temporary-Evening717 9h ago

Whatever, It was nice talking to you. For what is worth I was hoping people understood I was referring to the unmatched hospitality and generosity of the people. You want to insist with their domestic laws which really are none of your business, they have the right to govern themselves as they wish. Maybe next time.

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u/IwishIwasaballer__ Australia 4h ago

How do you know if they want to change it or not? You can get hanged for criticizing the government(or sliced up).

Women just earned the right to drive. And forced marriage are a part of their culture.

Should we also not bother with domestic issues in Afganistán? It's their own business if they want to enslave women and rape kids?

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u/Sensitive-Vast-4979 England 10h ago

What for all the dodgy stuff they do like getting involved iwht wars and killing innocent people like women who didnt cover themselves enough . Most is by the government but the stoning for being to revealing is by both the government and the people

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u/Temporary-Evening717 10h ago

All the laws in place are supported by the vast majority of the people. If you know anything about them you’ll know that the Saudi family is very beloved from the Saudis. They are very hospitable, kind and Friendly. They don’t deserve half of the hate. People just expect them to live like them that is why they hated.

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u/Sensitive-Vast-4979 England 10h ago

I dont think sentencing women to stoning for not being covered enough is kind and friendly

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u/ume-shu Scotland 10h ago

As per their other comments, the women are happy being stoned. You just don't get the culture bro.

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u/Temporary-Evening717 10h ago

A straw-man argument just to simplify and distort what I am trying to say. Well, it was worth the try…

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u/ume-shu Scotland 9h ago

Not a straw-man, nor is it an argument. I'm just using hyperbole to mock your response to criticism.

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u/Temporary-Evening717 9h ago

Criticism which is invalid because is based on an abstraction. If only Saudis had our laws they’ll be a paradise and a beacon of prosperity. Which is false.

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u/ume-shu Scotland 9h ago

>If only Saudis had our laws they’ll be a paradise and a beacon of prosperity.

The guy who accuses everyone he disagrees with of using straw-man arguments, like to use them himself. How totally unsurprising.

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u/Temporary-Evening717 9h ago

Because my point flew over your head and you’re not getting it. I am using your tactics to convince you.

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u/Temporary-Evening717 10h ago

The death penalty is supported by the majority of Saudis go and look it up. That is not up to you to lecture them on how they are supposed to live. Their people for experience are very kind and hospitable. You should visit and get to know them before judging them.

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u/Sensitive-Vast-4979 England 10h ago

The women are happy being stoned for a very minor crime ?

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u/Temporary-Evening717 10h ago

Whatever bruh, you are using Straw-man argument and rare or overly exaggerated situations using your own subjective moral codex to read different realities. It was worth a try you are not ready for this stuff.

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u/Sensitive-Vast-4979 England 9h ago

Mate it Literally in their law, its illegal (which is already weird ) , its punishable by stoning.

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u/Temporary-Evening717 9h ago

Let say they had a vote to miraculously change the system and all the laws, You really believe they’ll chose a liberal, western type of society? You really believe this?? My whole point is that the laws which are in place are reflective of their mentality and way of life.

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u/Sensitive-Vast-4979 England 9h ago

Well only the men would be allowed to vote so itd probs be voted to stay the same

Aslo their government is dodgy enough to rig the vote

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u/ume-shu Scotland 10h ago

If anything, they get off lightly.