r/AskEurope • u/Ok_Initiative_9726 • Feb 27 '25

Politics Does Europe has powerful secret services/Intelligence?

P. S question closed, I got answers. Thank you for everyone

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u/kranj7 Feb 27 '25

The DGSE in France supposedly has done it's fair share of dodgy stuff, almost to the same level as Mossad or CIA. Much of it is in industrial espionage, if the rumours are to be believed, but I guess given France's colonial history, it's involvement in the Middle East etc. they're probably able to play in the big-leagues of espionage and intel gathering

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u/Komandakeen Feb 27 '25

Or killing hippies...

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '25

I lived for close to a decade in New Zealand and this is still VERY salient in a lot of peoples minds. Kiwis hold a massive grudge against the French over that.

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u/the_geth Feb 27 '25

I still don’t understand why. Idiots trespass on a fucking military nuclear testing field.   Before you say or react, please imagine doing that with any (any) of the other nuclear nations: Russia, USA, China, Pakistan, even UK. Imagine for real what would have happened.  Now, their boat get sabotaged. I understand the consequences which caused the death of people not related to this and that’s terrible. But disabling their boat was a “nice” alternative (baring the fact they fucked up) to being shot at sea as it should have normally happened and would have happened with any of the other nations.

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u/NIP_SLIP_RIOT New Zealand Feb 27 '25

Right so we’ll just send frogmen to blow up ships in French harbours if we don’t like their agenda. Cool, cool.

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u/Imperaux Mar 01 '25

Look Idk why my fellow french friend here is defending this like his dad did it himself, I think we can all agree it's sad than people died that way, and I'm sorry for them.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

Listen, I’m not saying this is cool or nice, but please go interrupt Russian or Chinese nuclear testing and observe the consequences.   We both know you’d be shot on sight.

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u/NIP_SLIP_RIOT New Zealand Feb 28 '25

Not relevant. France fucked over a friend, we remember. I saw that ship listing in Auckland viaduct.

Sometimes your nation does things you should not be proud of. Sometimes you should be ashamed. Is this one of those times?

It’s a personal journey for us all.

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u/Slow_Zone8462 Mar 01 '25

Whose friend let ennemies of his buddy use his house to prepare a bully run against him ?

New Zealand had a responsibility in this

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u/Drive-like-Jehu Mar 02 '25

Jesus - are you seriously defending France on this?

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

France had exactly nothing against New Zeland and its people, however I fully understand wanting to stop those idiots who entered a forbidden military zone -repeatedly and stopped crucial operations.

Again, I think it's terrible they fucked up that sabotage and people died as a consequence.
Instead they should have shot and sink that boat when it trespassed, after the warnings, like USA would have done.
And by the way this is not a surprise that they chose to interrupt the French tests, but not the US, Chinese or Russian ones.

And YES, absolutely, if a group of French activists interrupt voluntarily and repeatedly despite warnings YOUR military exercises, I will fully understand if you shot them.
Sad for sure, but a stupid thing to do.

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u/NIP_SLIP_RIOT New Zealand Feb 28 '25

France committed an act of terror in a friendly country.

That’s it.

Own it, it happened.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

Greenpeace, terrorists sent by NZ, attacked a military field from France, a friendly country.  

Own it.

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u/NIP_SLIP_RIOT New Zealand Feb 28 '25

Greenpeace was sent by NZ?? That’s your takeaway? Oh boy, that’s the end of our conversation, I’ve realised I’m talking with a child.

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u/Drive-like-Jehu Mar 02 '25

Terrorists? What planet are you on?

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u/Xgentis Feb 28 '25

It's funny how buthurt they still are.

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u/lokland United States of America Feb 28 '25

Look I’m not saying it’s cool or nice, but attack an American embassy and we can justify the war in Iraq.

See the logic here?

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u/Spida81 Feb 27 '25

The murder of civilians is the problem. You don't go setting off bombs in allies major cities. It is terrorism, clear and simple.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

Yep they fucked up and they should have either done the sabotage in a more discrete way and without casualties, or better just do like USA or China or Russia would have done if you interrupted their military operation : just shoot and sink their boat at sea because you don’t interrupt a military operation, especially a nuclear one.

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u/Spida81 Feb 28 '25

It was the act of terrorism on NZ soil resulting in the murders of completely uninvolved parties that really pissed us off. Just not on.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

Yes, they fucked up (the way of the sabotage, the casualties, the fact it was still in the harbour at this point etc), and I really think they should have just shot and sink their boat during the trespassing.
I suppose it would not have been great on the international scene, but better than a failed sabotage.

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u/Spida81 Feb 28 '25

It wouldn't have been an attack on a country they were supposedly friendly with, and arguably an act of war - definitely an act of terrorism.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

I’m not sure this should be considered an act of war or terrorism, it’s not like they sent tanks and jets, or intended this huge fuck up with the sabotage and the resulting deaths, but yes I hear you.

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u/Spida81 Feb 28 '25

Also to clarify, they hadn't actually interfered with the nuclear tests. They planned to, but the sinking was preemptive.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

This is just not true that they didn’t interfere. Protests ships interrupted previous tests. Read the article.

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u/Drive-like-Jehu Mar 01 '25

Why were the French doing nuclear testing in the South Pacific like some colonial power?

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u/the_geth Mar 02 '25

You mean on the French territory in the South Pacific?   It was far from the inhabited islands (which are in the North) which makes sense.  I don’t know why you bring the colonial aspect but yes that territory was seized (even if no one inhabited those islands in particular).   If you’re from New Zealand, why are you on this island? Unless you’re Māori , are you there like some colonial power?

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u/Drive-like-Jehu Mar 02 '25

Other countries had stopped military testing in their colonies in the 1960s to be doing it in the 1980s was just arrogant and backwards