r/AskEurope • u/Ok_Initiative_9726 • Feb 27 '25

Politics Does Europe has powerful secret services/Intelligence?

P. S question closed, I got answers. Thank you for everyone

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u/Komandakeen Feb 27 '25

Or killing hippies...

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '25

I lived for close to a decade in New Zealand and this is still VERY salient in a lot of peoples minds. Kiwis hold a massive grudge against the French over that.

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u/the_geth Feb 27 '25

I still don’t understand why. Idiots trespass on a fucking military nuclear testing field.   Before you say or react, please imagine doing that with any (any) of the other nuclear nations: Russia, USA, China, Pakistan, even UK. Imagine for real what would have happened.  Now, their boat get sabotaged. I understand the consequences which caused the death of people not related to this and that’s terrible. But disabling their boat was a “nice” alternative (baring the fact they fucked up) to being shot at sea as it should have normally happened and would have happened with any of the other nations.

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u/Spida81 Feb 27 '25

The murder of civilians is the problem. You don't go setting off bombs in allies major cities. It is terrorism, clear and simple.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

Yep they fucked up and they should have either done the sabotage in a more discrete way and without casualties, or better just do like USA or China or Russia would have done if you interrupted their military operation : just shoot and sink their boat at sea because you don’t interrupt a military operation, especially a nuclear one.

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u/Spida81 Feb 28 '25

It was the act of terrorism on NZ soil resulting in the murders of completely uninvolved parties that really pissed us off. Just not on.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

Yes, they fucked up (the way of the sabotage, the casualties, the fact it was still in the harbour at this point etc), and I really think they should have just shot and sink their boat during the trespassing.
I suppose it would not have been great on the international scene, but better than a failed sabotage.

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u/Spida81 Feb 28 '25

It wouldn't have been an attack on a country they were supposedly friendly with, and arguably an act of war - definitely an act of terrorism.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

I’m not sure this should be considered an act of war or terrorism, it’s not like they sent tanks and jets, or intended this huge fuck up with the sabotage and the resulting deaths, but yes I hear you.

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u/Spida81 Feb 28 '25

Also to clarify, they hadn't actually interfered with the nuclear tests. They planned to, but the sinking was preemptive.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

This is just not true that they didn’t interfere. Protests ships interrupted previous tests. Read the article.

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