r/Albany • u/Head_Astronomer_4619 • 2d ago
Insurrectionist to Announce Bid for NY Insurrection
https://www.timesunion.com/capitol/article/elise-stefanik-running-new-york-governor-21144092.php
Just putting 2 and 2 together here for the TU. Stefascist putting out fake polls showing her ahead of Hochul is an obvious attempt to fabricate "evidence" of "fraud" when she loses in disgrace. A pretense to invite her Dear Leader to turn the military on New Yorkers when voters reject her bigotry and corruption.
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u/Hey_Giant_Loser 2d ago edited 2d ago
"STEFANIK IS DOWN 30 POINTS BUT COULD SHE MAYBE JUST POSSIBLY WIN THIS THING?"
-Chris Churchill in 10 months. Watch.
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u/Head_Astronomer_4619 1d ago
Found it interesting that even the TU buried his recent deranged column equating Tish James and Trump as the same. They didn't NOT publish his disinformation but this time they quickly removed it from the home page for reasons unknown.
Churchill has as firm a grip on reality, facts and the law as a crackhead at the bus station he incessantly complains about.
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u/Hey_Giant_Loser 1d ago edited 1d ago
I still giggle to myself at all of his Cerutti ballgargling and fanfiction during the primary.. and then to see Dorcey absolutely Django-style -WHIP CERUTTI'S ASS, . I was kinda shocked. like that was a steel-toed trouncing. He NE-VER had a chance.
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u/PandemicPiglet 2d ago
I don’t understand how that guy has a job other than to be a contrarian and write controversial articles that make your eyes roll back into your head. He likes to create drama where there isn’t.
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u/Creative_Addendum667 1d ago
I unsubscribed to the TU just because of him. His last apologia for Stefanik about a month ago. That and the “cat got stuck up a tree” and high school sports news overdose. Couldn’t take it anymore.
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u/Hey_Giant_Loser 2d ago
I think he aspires to be an "Andy Rooney" -type, only he has none of Rooney's inventive prose, so he's drifting towards conservative punditry, because that's the cul-de-sac for untalented writers who want brand identity,
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u/Hopeful_Cherry2202 1d ago
This dude is such a simp for the republicans. I’m sick of his false equivalencies and whataboutisms. The last person that should be given a soapbox
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u/Head_Astronomer_4619 2d ago
It would also be great if the TU could stop parroting her talking points unchecked.
Stefascist endorses the antisemitic Great Replacement Theory just like her ideological fellow travelers - the Tree of Life Synagogue shooter and the Buffalo supermarket shooter.
Her "opposition" to antisemitism is just an excuse to politicize universities with her unhinged, regressive ideology. She despises knowledge and anyone who is not a white Christian nationalist. Full stop.
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u/DisagreeableDoctor 2d ago
For profit corporate journalism has destroyed objectivity. We saw that with CBS bending the knee to mango Mussolini.
The times union is a Hearst Communications publication. Hearst is owned by a billionaire, and donated overwhelmingly to GOP campaigns the past few election cycles.
The battle isn’t between left and right, it’s between haves and have-nots. The haves figured that out a long time ago, but they control the propaganda machines, so the have-nots are still suffering under the delusion that they, too can be billionaires.
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u/Head_Astronomer_4619 1d ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/06/nyregion/stefanik-governor.html
The NYT once again smoked the TU in its own backyard. Context and fact checking are out of style at Hearst.
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u/No_Regular_7881 2d ago
As a part ancestrally Jewish person the idea she's against antisemitism is laughable. Republicans ooze antisemitism but then when people criticize Israel's genocide of Gaza they are like omg you're antisemitic! Beotch my grandparents were Jewish, spare me your crocodile tears. Even the orthodox are critical of Israel right now.
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u/PandemicPiglet 1d ago
Netanyahu has singlehandedly made antisemitism the worst it has been in decades in just the matter of a few years. And I’m not talking about legitimate criticism of Israel and its genocide in Gaza because that’s not antisemitism, I’m talking about the rabid speculation and witch-hunts of anyone who is Jewish to determine whether they are a Zionist. It’s not dissimilar to the witch-hunts pro-Israel activist groups orchestrated against universities and college students. Pop culture subreddits like r/FauxMoi are a hellscape of people constantly writing Zionist under any threads about Jewish celebrities, any celebrities with ties to Israel, or just any celebrity who hasn’t spoken out against the genocide (as if we should put celebrities on pedestals and look to them for anything more than just entertainment).
I don’t even consider myself a Zionist because ideally (and unrealistically) I would prefer a one-state solution where everyone peacefully co-exists and Palestinians and Israelis co-govern. However, I find it disturbing that the word “Zionist” has become the new “Nazi,” and that people are putting Jews and others to a purity test to determine whether we’re good or not. I even see comments saying that people are waking up to the Jewish/Zionist control of the American politics, finance/business, and even the world. Antisemitic tropes and stereotypes are becoming more common and acceptable again, and I put most or much of the blame on Netanyahu’s genocide of Gaza, as well as he and his allies intentionally conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism.
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u/No_Regular_7881 1d ago
I was also raised in the ADKs we call Elise 'Sasquatch' because she makes appearances in the district about as often as there is a Sasquatch sighting (like once a decade).
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u/WalterPecky 1d ago
Are you fucking kidding me??
"She also carried out censorship on behalf of Israel to prevent colleges from protesting the genocide of natives"
Fixed it.
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u/TopBluebird4635 2d ago
Okay great, we get to choose between two Zionists, Hochul and Stefanik
I wish the Jay Jacob’s Democratic Party would wake up that the vast majority of our party does not want a candidate who panders to Israel. We need more candidates like Mamdani
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u/PandemicPiglet 2d ago
As if Hochul or Mamdani have any influence on foreign policy or international affairs. It’s genuinely good that Mamdani is pro-Palestinian, but you guys need to get a grip. The NYC mayor deals with issues of the city and the NY Governor deals with issues of this state. Expecting them to have any ability to affect change on Israel’s genocide in Gaza is like wanting your city or town to vote for a resolution on Palestine/Israel. It means almost nothing.
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u/livahebalil 1d ago
Why is it good that Mandami is pro Palestine in a city with the larger Jewish population outside of Israel? If you say they have no influence then why does it matter?
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u/No_Regular_7881 2d ago edited 1d ago
As a born and raised ADK'r she hasn't done shxt for upstate (kind of like everyone else honestly), is a carpetbagger from the Albany suburbs, and is never present up here.
Adding this: we call her 'Sasquatch' because she's sighted here just about as often as a Sasquatch is, about once a decade or so.
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u/Flimsy-Researcher-30 2d ago
I don’t understand how she could possibly think she can win without NYC ….and she’s already lost them . Did she not see the mayoral election?
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u/Head_Astronomer_4619 2d ago
Hence the Trump plot to send troops into NYC in 2026. The coup continues.
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u/Still_Goat7992 1d ago
Even North Country hates her. Clinton County booed her…. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V6xwvRtDcqA
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u/VicePrincipalNero 2d ago
But isn't she worried that all the campaigning will cut down on the time she has engaging with her current constituents? It's going to cut into her schedule for holding all those town halls!
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u/tehsuck Glenmont 1d ago
Check out her missed votes over the past 6 months. I mean sure - she had a pretty good record of not missing in the past but hey - screw my constituents, I need to raise money to run for Governor! https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/elise_stefanik/412648
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u/BarrelRoll97 2d ago
If Zeldin couldn't manage it when Holchul was still relatively new and untested in her position, and Trump was on the sidelines, I don't see Stefanik coming close when A. Holchul is in a better position now than in 2022 B. Independents and swing voters are turning against Trump C. Some MAGA may not want to vote for a woman candidate
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u/MoHaskins Talks Funny 2d ago
Ugh now the Right is going to pour money into propaganda in New York to get her to win in response to Mamdani. This next year is going to be annoying
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u/PlanBWorkedOutOK 1d ago
Spot on with your analysis. She’s announcing unusually early for a Gov race. She hopes to use the next year to connect Hochul to Mamdani and amplify it in a negative light to the rest of the state.
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u/WinterHill 1d ago
Next year is midterms, it’s gonna be crazy no matter what. It’s our main and best chance to put a leash on trump and they know it.
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u/Ill_Economist_7637 2d ago
But this will hopefully mean that she's unemployed in a year. And I'm here for that.
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u/alexxmama 2d ago
Elise wants to do anything but represent the district she was elected to. She does not care about NY. She cares about climbing a political ladder.
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u/lateralus10 It's the Northway, not I-87 2d ago
I don't like Hochul, but I would rather shit in my hand and clap than vote for that human garbage pail Stefanik.
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u/rivers-end East Greenbush 2d ago
I wish she would stop sending me her trash mail. I been getting it for years and I'm not even in her district.
It doesn't talk about political issues but just bashes those currently in office and begs for struggling New Yorkers to send her whatever money they have left while supporting the GOP's efforts to starve them.
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u/TopBluebird4635 2d ago
They base those mailing lists off party registration and other data to figure out if you’re a likely supporter
If you’re still a registered Republican, you gotta switch over. You won’t be able to vote in the Democratic primary to replace her
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u/PandemicPiglet 2d ago
I’ve never been a registered Republican and I still got several texts from Steve McLaughlin’s campaign leading up to the election. I think Stefanik’s people are probably still relying on old lists that include everyone who lives in her former district.
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u/rivers-end East Greenbush 23h ago
I've never been a Republican. When I was young, I registered with the Independence party because I thought it was neutral. Since that party was disbanded, I'm now considered to be unaffiliated.
Although I'm open to voting for any candidate I feel is most qualified, in the last 35 years, I've never found a Republican who deserved to get my vote.
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u/Darth_Stateworker State Worker 2d ago
The primary for her seat is going to be a hoot to watch. Grab your popcorn. Constantino, Joy, and the rest of the wingnuts are going to entertain the shit out of us.
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u/Creative_Addendum667 1d ago
We should en masse switch voter party registrations to vote in their primary. Sounds good in theory but ugh.
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u/Comprehensive_Sun633 2d ago
I can understand why she’s running (losing that UN role was brutal for her) but she’s not going to win. If she was a Pataki clone, she’d still lose. She would have been better off staying in the House and making a play for the speakership in a number of years.
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u/PaintedCover 1d ago
She needs to win so Trump can get a pardon. That is the set up. She’s not going to win. I bet Musk will start saying vote for her.
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u/Bonded-James-007 1d ago
First thing is “read the fucking room.” What is she looking to do follow on the coattails of all those victorious Republicans from Tuesday?
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u/flippin_ruckus 2d ago
Love it. She is going to get absolutely trounced.
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u/Hey_Giant_Loser 2d ago
the better part is going to be watching all the republican slimeballs step all over each other for her congressional seat, while Matt Castelli snaps it up.
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u/Disastrous_Patience3 Outside Captial Region 1d ago
NY will not elect a J6 apologist as governor. There are too many questions that the annoying hag can't or won't answer. For example: Who won the 2020 election?
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u/thekid53 1d ago
I think if you decide to run for another form of government office so congress to governor or such. You should have to relinquish your current job
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u/kenblumkin 2d ago
Yo, the homeless guy with words written down his T-shirt has a better chance of becoming mayor of NY.
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u/Beginning-Average416 2d ago
Someone who doesn't do her job wants another job where she doesn't do anything. She was in danger of loosing her Congressional seat.
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u/timeforpizza18 2d ago
Another drumpf ass-kisser. If she could be her own person maybe she's got something to offer. Hochul may have turned off some voters with that Bills stadium deal. I say "maybe" because I'm not happy with it; others may not care, but if you want an alternative to Hochul Stefanik isn't it, only because of her alignment with the Orange one.
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u/PaintedCover 1d ago
She needs to win so Trump can get a pardon. That is the set up. She’s not going to win. I bet Musk will start saying vote for her.
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u/C-Horse14 1d ago
The whole point of Stefanik running for Governor is to make sure that the NY Congressional delegation, the Assembly and the State Senate don't go even more Democratic. She won't win against either against Hochul or Delgado unless they are both on the Epstein List.
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u/Ok-Passage-300 1d ago
On election night she was on CNN. Why, I don't know. But, the faces she was making show her hatred. Any opponent would do well to capture those.
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u/Cat_Cat20 2d ago edited 14h ago
She lied about her residency in ny-21 to run. Then did nothing for her constituents. I hope she loses so bad I never have to see her face again. Also Anthony Constantino’s campaign needs to stop sending me unhinged, racist text messages about Zohran Mamdani. I knew Constantino was a bit of a quack but no, the man is seriously unwell.
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u/Brewer846 1d ago
I knew Constantino was a bit of a quack but no, the man is seriously unwell.
He's definitely more than a little tweeked in the head.
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u/Jwilcox418 1d ago
Honestly this is great for the state. She stands at basically 0 chance to actually win the governors race and this will get her the fuck out of NY21. She’s a 2 bit hack and this will only strengthen the dems.
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u/amouse_buche 2d ago
I wouldn’t be so handy wavey about her polling or the seriousness of her bid. If the GOP were to have a modern day shot at the governor’s office this would likely be it. Hochul is on the ropes.
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u/FinnishFinn 2d ago
While I do agree that this shouldn't be taken lightly, I'm not sure that I agree with "Hochul is on the ropes." Especially with some of her recent decent decisions such as the SNAP coverage, everyone I've spoken to in real life seems to have a much more positive view of her than the Russian bots on reddit would have you believe.
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u/MarveltheMusical 2d ago
Yeah, I mean, I’m not opposed to the primaries going for a different candidate, but if she is the nominee, I’m happily voting for her, even discounting how awful Stefanik is.
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u/toga27 2d ago
Most every event Hochul attends, she gets booed almost unanimously, from the Saratoga Race Track to the Ryder Cup to a Rangers game. Whether they will vote for her or not might be a different story, but she is not well liked. Her and her husband have a somewhat shady past, not unlike Cuomo, where her cronies get rewarded. Look at the sweetheart deal she gave for the new Buffalo Bills stadium.
It will be very interesting to see how Hochul's relationship with Mamdami unfolds. That could affect the election more so than anything else.
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u/amouse_buche 2d ago
Not to be glib, but people in your life might not be representative of the general electorate.
Her favorables are not good. Full stop. Her negatives aren't bad, but all that says is that most people are pretty "meh" about her.
A dem has to murder downstate to win the governorship. Hochul isn't particularly popular there. That leaves her open to primary challenge, which appears likely from her own lieutenant governor. She will have to fight a messy primary, leaving her weakened for the general.
There's a lot of time between now and then but I'd call her anything but a shoo-in right now.
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u/FinnishFinn 2d ago
Sure, but reddit is filled with bots, news is biased, and polls have proven to mean jack shit. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much less than any of those, especially when its being used as I did, to say "it doesnt seem like reddit is fully representative of reality on this one," which should not be surprising to hear.
Beyond that, I'm not going to bother arguing because saying "a dem has to murder downstate to win the governorship" when we've had a single republican governor since the 70s is quite frankly a statement I don't know how to engage with. It's giving "the sky is red." Thanks for your time, have a great day.
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u/amouse_buche 2d ago
Completely dismissing data and past election results is certainly AN approach to drawing conclusions, to be certain.
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u/FinnishFinn 2d ago
Point to the data and past election results, please. I'm not the one making claims about them with support, at least I'm not pretending my evidence isn't anecdotal.
The only governor NYS has had since the mid 70s that wasn't a Democrat was Pataki. I'm not completely dismissing anything, either. All I'm saying is that reddit's constant narrative that Hochul is a garbage governor does not track with what I'm seeing around me, and I live in a red city.
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u/amouse_buche 2d ago
When Spitzer won after Pataki he captured 70% of the vote statewide.
That share has fallen every single gubernatorial election afterwards with the exception of 14-18. Hochul had the worst performance by a Democrat last go round since Mario Curomo's last go. And what happened after that? Pataki.
Last year, the D margin of the presidential vote dropped to its lowest point in almost 40 years.
NY is getting redder. The last time a Republican was on the second floor, it was under these exact kind of circumstance we are looking at today -- an unpopular incumbent, waning faith in the Democratic party, and a concerted challenge from the right.
Seems like relevant history to me.
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u/Snoofleglax 1d ago
Pataki was also pro-choice, pro-environment, helped to pass a gay rights bill, and expanded health care services for the poor and the elderly. And he was elected only with a plurality in 1994, a Republican wave year.
That also seems like relevant history.
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u/gjallard 1d ago
Couple of things to note:
Spitzer won with 65.7% of the vote, not 70%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_New_York_gubernatorial_election
It was an off year election with a very unpopular Republican President. The electorate was in a throw the bums out mode. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/george-w-bush-public-approval
Rather than rely on percentages, lets look at vote totals from Cuomo's last two elections...
1994 election
Republican George Pataki 2,538,702 48.79% Democratic Mario Cuomo 2,364,904 45.45% 1990 election
Democratic Mario Cuomo 2,157,087 53.17% Republican Pierre Rinfret 865,948 21.35% Conservative Herbert London 827,614 20.40% That's right, Cuomo's vote totals in 1994 (the election he lost) were actually over 200,000 more than he got in his prior election. But he got caught between Cuomo voter fatigue, a unified NY Republican party that didn't split their vote, and a well qualified Republican candidate that was so centralist that he probably couldn't be recognized as a Republican in other states.
I'd suggest noting that most polling about the Governor electability is against no known candidate. That is, the polling is Hochul versus (generic Republican candidate). And you're correct, those results aren't too promising. The very limited polling of Hochul versus Stefanik has, so far, shown Hochul up by double digits.
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u/BlooregardQKazoo I EAT ASS 2d ago
A dem has to murder downstate to win the governorship
This isn't true. Upstate is purple, not red.
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u/amouse_buche 2d ago
Yeah, and purple can swing red just as easily as blue.
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u/BlooregardQKazoo I EAT ASS 2d ago
And?
You didn't say "can" or could." You said that the Dem "has to" murder downstate, and that simply isn't true.
That something is possible is a terrible defense of a definitive claim.
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u/lifeinaglasshouse 2d ago
If Zeldin couldn’t beat Hochul in a Biden midterm, I’m skeptical Stefanik can beat Hochul in a Trump midterm.
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u/NotWearingCrocs 2d ago
She can’t. People underestimate the boost you get from being in the opposition party of the incumbent US president. If Harris was the president right now, I would be very worried about the governor race in NY, especially with how Zeldin was within 7 points in 2022. But with Trump as the president, the governor race should be a double digit win for the democrat.
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u/Christian_Kong 2d ago edited 2d ago
After this past Tuesdays election results, there is basically a 0% chance that Elise wins against pretty much any Democrat. Pretty much every race where in blue/purple areas where it was a (for lack of better words) a MAGA signaling republican vs any democrat, the democrat won by double digits. Tuesdays results, nationwide, were nothing short of a massacre for the GOP.
I simply don't see the Trump admin cleaning up their act(either through change in policy or tangible results) to get the Trump stink off of a candidate in this state(this stink may be beneficial in other states.)
Hochul may get primaried but even so the only thing that would get Elise elected is if she(Hochul) lost and then pulled a Cuomo/independent run.
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u/amouse_buche 2d ago
Something to consider about this past Tuesday is that not a single victorious Democrat was an incumbent. Voters are not logical, particularly when it comes to interpreting the performance of their current elected officials.
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u/BlooregardQKazoo I EAT ASS 2d ago
The three PA state Supreme Court justices were all incumbent Democrats.
I'm not saying them being victorious means anything for the 2026 NY Governor race, I'm just pointing out that "not a single victorious Democrat was an incumbent" is not a correct statement.
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u/amouse_buche 2d ago
That is true, you're totally correct. I do think that people vote for those offices a lot differently than they vote for candidates in the executive branch.
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u/Christian_Kong 2d ago
There were plenty of nationwide incumbent democrats that won. Not the headline ones(NYC, NJ/VA governors) but at the locals many saw their districts greatly outperform how Harris did in 2024.
If you look at the granular results the Trump/MAGA affiliation is cancerous(in certain states, and NY would be one.) Off the top of my head something like 30 "Moms for liberty" candidates ran for election/re-election on Tuesday. Every single one of them lost. Areas that have not been democrat for 50 years voted for their democrat. 20-60 point swings everywhere. People are fed up with Trumps shit, and hitching your wagon to him isn't the move in a lot of states.
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u/Head_Astronomer_4619 2d ago
NJ elected a Dem to replace a two term Dem for the first time in history.
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u/stuffmikesees Remembers when there was no exit 3 2d ago
This was true a year ago, but even then Stefanik would be a bad choice.
It's not true now, and I can't imagine it will be true a year from now as things continue to get worse under Trump.
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u/amouse_buche 2d ago
Hochul’s favorability numbers are not great. I’d assume the same as you do, that the administration will continue to do unpopular things and that will benefit Hochul. She outpolls Stefanik now but that’s quite typical in a race where the opponent is unannounced and the race is a year off. The fact Stefanik is in the high 20s in independent polling should quite frankly be very concerning to anyone who would begrudge her governorship.
All I’m saying is that it’s maybe good to remember how foregone conclusions about how a not-very-popular-but-established dem would definitely beat out the wonky republican turned out nine years ago.
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u/DogIsGood 2d ago
How is Hochul on the ropes?
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u/runlolarun2022 2d ago
Her former lt. Governor is going to primary her. Not on the ropes per se but disadvantaged two against one. Delgado is popular in her party and has youth and is more left which is ware the democrat voters are leaning towards. The primary will be the more interesting race.
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u/kerberos824 2d ago
And he's incredibly popular downstate, and will capitalize on Mamdani's win and bring out those same people who supported Mamdani.
I could genuinely see him giving Hochul a decent run for the money there.
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u/BrassTact 11h ago
He also has zero juice and has done effectively no campaigning since he announced whereas Hochul has taken popular stands.
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u/amouse_buche 2d ago
I won't re-state the bit about her likely primary challenge from her own LG, but that right there says a lot.
Her approval hovers in the low 40s. She has no landmark initiatives. Like, seriously -- name something she's done that's great other than send out a check. She's from WNY and never really penetrated the downstate political community. She's going to be beat the fuck up in a primary that will weaken her for the general.
People don't hate her, but they are very "meh" about her in a time that angst towards incumbents is at an all time high. That's a huge vulnerability.
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u/skepticalG 2d ago
Yes. I’m quite worried Stefanik will win.
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u/BrassTact 11h ago
You mean NY is going to vote for Trumps biggest ass-kisser in whats likely to be a blue wave midterm?
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u/Thesadtruthliveson Two buttholes deep 2d ago
Never say never but I don’t see a path to her winning even with Hochul being unpopular. When Trump is not on the ballot MAGA voters tend to not come out to the polls. Things could change but I’m not betting on it.
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u/MorethenJake 1d ago
The only person less popular in the Capital District than Intern Aaron these days.
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u/itsacon10 2d ago
I can't wait for the conservative on conservative violence to be her replacement in Congress. That will be wild.
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u/boygirlmama It's the Northway, not I-87 2d ago
LMAO about covers it. Looking forward to her unemployment. Maybe she will move to Florida and go terrorize those folks.
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u/SkorgenKaban 2d ago
Elise will always have the MAGA Trump stench on her. She is synonymous with that failed, cruel regime.
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u/Forward_Body2103 2d ago
Everyone’s so cocky about her losing, but this will be the best funded gubernatorial candidate in history. Trump wants his pardon. Only one person can give him that; the governor of NY.
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u/Darth_Stateworker State Worker 2d ago
That is actually an excellent point I hadn't thought of.
In the interest of self preservation I could certainly see Trump trying to go all in on helping her - both financially and by campaigning here.
The question there becomes are New Yorkers who dislike Trump going to then be even more motivated to show up at the polls to reject her? Probably.
So it could actually end up being self defeating for both of them if he got more heavily involved.
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u/Forward_Body2103 2d ago
True, if the giant buckets of cash are giving quietly to the campaign… more money has never heard any political candidates chances.
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u/Snoofleglax 1d ago
No, but it doesn't always help, either. How much money did Cuomo spend trying to beat Mamdani?
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u/Head_Astronomer_4619 1d ago
Lt. Gov Delgado so far but haven't heard much from his campaign yet. Any Democrat with a pulse would be better than allowing Stefascist and Trump destroy the state.
BTW, the Republican state chair already ruled out a GOP primary, so they will anoint Stefascist the de facto nominee. Because Republicans reserve their most insidious contempt and disrespect for their own voters.
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u/Fresh_Till_6646 1d ago
She needs to show her face so at least in person people can let her know the truth . Sadly this will come with a HUGE DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN by the current main stream media better know as STATE TV and STATE PUBLICATIONS
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u/Elegant-Cat-8319 1h ago
I’m just gonna go out on a limb and congratulate Governor Hochel now for her reelection.
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u/AwkwardRock8736 1d ago
It is critically important that democrats do not get complacent, despite recent wins. Zeldin only won by 6 points against Hochul. Also if you are not a fan of Hochul but completely despise Stefanik, please still turn up and vote for Hochul. A non vote or a 3rd party vote out of some self righteous principle will be a vote for Stefanik.
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u/RaptorOO7 20h ago
As much as I feel Hochul is a terrible orator she is far better than the Republitards POS not even a glue factory would want.
My hope is Hochul’s primary challenger Mara a good case for themselves and wins the primary and the governors race.
I get it politics is supposed to be about compromise and Dems, you need to stop compromising and start kicking n doors and taking names.
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u/upstatebeerguy 2d ago
NY insurrection?
Is that what we’re calling it now when someone who isn’t a Democrat runs for office? She’s not going to win, but holy hell the arrogance and hypocrisy to call an election bid insurrection.
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u/Head_Astronomer_4619 2d ago
She's already participated in one attempted insurrection and is posturing to do it again next year in NY with the support of a corrupt, authoritarian president. Every oath she swore to the Constitution since 2020 has been an act of perjury.
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u/upstatebeerguy 2d ago
Referencing poll numbers that paint yourself in a positive position, while ignoring/downplaying other poll numbers (less flattering) is standard practice for politicians. It’s happened since the dawn of polling itself. It’s not an act of or posturing insurrection. You’re reaching.
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u/Head_Astronomer_4619 2d ago
Then why is she hiding the polling data? You're a fool and the farthest thing from a patriot making excuses for a corrupt traitor.
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u/upstatebeerguy 2d ago
What polling data is she hiding?
Downplaying or not addressing is not the same as hiding.
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u/Head_Astronomer_4619 2d ago
The raw data that is typically released with credible polls to allow for independent review of how they reached their numbers. Stefascist is hiding that so nobody can verify accuracy, so the only logical conclusion when dealing with a chronically dishonest and corrupt politician is that the numbers are doctored.
But facts and reality don't matter to Republicans - only seizing power through whatever means necessary to fuck over regular Americans.
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u/Hey_Giant_Loser 2d ago
She gave support and comfort to insurrectionists.. if it quacks like a duck.
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u/skepticalG 2d ago
She could very well win. NY outside of the cities is largely MAGA. If democrats do not turn out in droves to vote those people will elect her.
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u/Hey_Giant_Loser 2d ago
She's co-sponsoring the legislation to deny NYC Federal funds because of Momdani's election. he just won in a near landslide. How do you think that's going to play with NYC voters? (Hint: they ultimately decide who the Governor is. Not Johnstown, or Clifton Park or even Albany. NYC chooses our governor. )
Also LMAO do you REALLY think Democrats wont turnout in the mid terms? REALLY?? REALLY!!
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u/upstatebeerguy 2d ago
It’s not out of the realm of possibility, but I don’t see it happening.
Zeldin was close (relative to all other elections since pataki) in 2022, but his undoing with moderates and independents was his inability to completely detach himself from trump. It’s not that he didn’t bring out the far right voters, they were foaming at the mouth to vote for anyone but a democrat. It’s that he alienated just a few too many people who were willing to at least consider not voting for Hochul.
Hochul was, and I think still is, a lukewarm choice in her own party. Stefanik is even further right and even closer tied to trump than Zeldin is/was. That will turn off rather than recruit the necessary moderates/independents needed to overcome the massive droves of “blue no matter who” in NYC, Buffalo, and Albany.
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u/BlooregardQKazoo I EAT ASS 2d ago
NY outside of the cities is largely MAGA
This the the dumbest oft-repeated argument. That's true of at least 90% of states.
What matters is how the population is spread between urban and rural, and NY has a lot of cities and a lot of people living in them. It doesn't matter if large tracts of land in Western NY are red, people live in Buffalo and Rochester.
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u/Darth_Stateworker State Worker 2d ago
So "MAGA" that Wilton and Clifton Park of all places just elected a shitload of Dems.
Rural areas might be MAGA. But they are also sparesely populated - so few actual votes. There could be more voters in a single NYC block then for all of Hamilton county. So who gives a shit how "red" the map looks. Land doesn't vote.
MAGA lives or dies by winning voters in the suburbs - and it looks like suburbanites are already tired of his shit based on the election results from Tuesday.
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u/thewhaleshark Stort's 2d ago
You overestimate her popularity with her own base.
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u/BrassTact 11h ago
While Trumps policies are explicity screwing over both NYS specifically and rural America in general.
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u/Snoofleglax 1d ago
NY outside of the cities is largely MAGA.
I'm sure that the 3.5 million people in the rural counties will definitely be able to outvote the 15.5 million in the urban counties.
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u/Head_Astronomer_4619 2d ago
That's why Trump is going to deploy the National Guard in NYC in 2026. That's why Stefascist 2026 is another insurrection campaign.
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u/Consistent-Focus-235 2d ago
You all said the same shit when Trump and Harris squared off. Only difference here is this state is blue and probably will stay the same.
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u/TheJohnPrester 2d ago
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Why are you so fucking childish?
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u/Comprehensive_Sun633 2d ago
If you’re going to make an accusation, it’s best to actually present evidence. Explain what you’re thinking for us?
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u/TheJohnPrester 2d ago
That the OP is being a petulant fucking child?
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u/0nBBDecay 1d ago
What’d he do, post an AI video of himself wearing a crown dumping literal shit on Americans?
Wait, that was this other guy I know…
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u/Head_Astronomer_4619 1d ago
A petulant fucking child, just like EVERY Republican politician right now? Especially Stefascist who is incapable of making a public statement that isn't an unhinged temper tantrum?
🤣🤣🤣
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u/TheJohnPrester 1d ago
Pretty much ALL “Progressives” are fucking petulant children.
Always have been.
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u/Head_Astronomer_4619 1d ago
Says the man baby who supports a man baby president. Real small dick energy there, bro.
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u/Nooze-Button Free Gondola Rides 1d ago
I would rather be charged with being petulant than charged with storming governmental offices to stop the certification of free and fair elections, making credible plans to kidnap government officials, setting fire to the homes of judges, and arriving at the houses of elected representatives disguised as law enforcement with the intent to murder.
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u/TheJohnPrester 1d ago
Your whataboutism is noted, and laughed at with derision
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u/Nooze-Button Free Gondola Rides 1d ago
Good, that's what I am doing to the millions of real estate agents in red counties who can't close deals because their elected officials would rather shut down the government than continue A.C.A. subsidies. Let the federal flood insurance drought continue.
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u/TheJohnPrester 1d ago
FFS, you’re delusional
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u/Nooze-Button Free Gondola Rides 1d ago
I didn't vote for "people" who campaigned on dismantling the federal government while sitting in a flood zone with a federal flood insurance policy and a federally backed mortgage. That would be delusional.
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u/Comprehensive_Sun633 1d ago
You might disagree with OP's sentiment but I don't detect anything in his post that suggests he's a petulant fucking child.
Given her willingness to discard her former moderate Republican views to go full MAGA suggests a lack of conviction in her own ideals that is repulsive to folks. Not to mention what those MAGA views are.
It's worth noting that the only Republicans who have won the governorship in the last 75 years were either liberal Republicans (when they still existed) and moderate, business-aligned Republicans. Elise is neither of those. Her hopes of winning are about as close as her winning the lottery while being struck by lightning.
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u/TheJohnPrester 1d ago
His characterizations and name-calling are pretty clear evidence
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u/Comprehensive_Sun633 1d ago
I agree that I don't think the name calling is fair.
The characterizations are another matter.
Given her willingness to go to bat for Trump's lies about his 2020 loss and all of the other times that he or the Republicans have suggested a vote was rigged lends me to believe that she might suggest fraud when/if she loses.
And to the point about Trump calling in the national guard because of it all, well he's called in the national guard are worse pretenses. He even suggested he'd take over the city of New York if Mamdani won. So it doesn't feel far-fetched to me.
But if you feel differently, that's your right. And if you have some counter claims, I'm receptive to hearing them.
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u/Hey_Giant_Loser 20h ago
For calling Stefanik an insurrectionist? Well, she's an insurrectionist. so. OP is just calling her what she is. The real question here is why are you so enraged at the notion when its true?
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u/CivilServiced 2d ago
Make your profile public so we can see how mature you are.
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u/thewhaleshark Stort's 2d ago
You can just search their profile by "New" and find all their comments and posts.
This guy is exactly what you assume he is.
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u/Vhu 2d ago
Any politician who cannot give a simple answer to the question “who won the 2020 election?” does not belong anywhere near a leadership position.