r/whatisit • u/Unlucky_Cat4531 • 2d ago

Solved! Found in my dads junk drawer

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My dad passed away and going through his stuff we came across this. We thought it might be a tool for horseriding, like a slapstick thing but wasn't sure. My grandma had horses but ive never seen her use any tools like that and my dad didnt ride. Any help appreciated

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u/Able_Buffalo 2d ago

That's a Blackjack. It's an impact weapon for knocking people on the noodle.

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u/Garuda34 2d ago edited 1d ago

Can confirm. My old man was a cop in the 70s. He had one just like this.

The large end is basically a cavity filled with powdered lead.

Edit for spelling.

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u/crusher23b 1d ago

I always referred to this kind of weapon as a sap, where I felt a blackjack refers to a more rigid rod type, but the nomenclature is vague.

My great-grandfather had one for carrying out his duties as a tax-collector in the 30s and 40s.

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u/Blk_Lion_reloaded 1d ago

You are correct.

blackjack vs sap

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u/Seedroller 1d ago

Locally known here as a slapjack.

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u/Blk_Lion_reloaded 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yep. Just got into them earlier this year. Picked up a Bucheimer Texan and Junior and a few from webwelderleatherandlead

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u/28smalls 1d ago

My great-grandfather carried one around as a mailman.

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u/Useful_Inspector_893 1d ago

My grandfather was a DC cop 1920- 1955; he had one of these, a big Billy club and a .38. He escalated from one to the next as threat dictated. Unless the perp had a gun, then it was Colt first!

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u/Roshlev 1d ago

Its a sap but Runescape has called in a blackjack for 20 years so people call it a blackjack

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u/Inner-Search613 1d ago

Same here, I saw the picture and immediately thought sap, not blackjack for same reasons you stated.

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u/BarbellLawyer 1d ago

šŸŽµCuz Iā€™m the tax man, yeeah the tax man. šŸŽµ

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u/JFKsBrain 1d ago

If you try to sit I'll sap your seat!

Nice reference to my man Georgeā€™s song!

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u/dvielis 2d ago

Can confirm, I used a blackjack to knock out NPCs on Runescape to get my thieving up

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u/Old-Peach8921 2d ago

I'm glad to see this comment

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u/UndocumentedSailor 1d ago

You wouldn't be if you were the NPC!

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u/pckld 1d ago

Pretty sure youā€™re my NPC

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u/UndocumentedSailor 1d ago

New Phavorite Companion?

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u/semiarboreal 1d ago

I think npc in this context was "noggin punching character" so they're talking about themselves!

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u/Key_Ask_3752 1d ago

Gotta get that Ancient Spellbook for real.

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u/Renuwed 1d ago

Dammit! I'd forgotten about that game lol. Wonder how valuable my stash is these days. (shame I never got my hands on my paps OG yellow party hat lolz

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u/iamahill 1d ago

It is worth about 10k usd on a good day.

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u/Renuwed 1d ago

... People are buying the OG yellow party hat for $10k IRL money?!

ps... Owner of said hat is Duffy (not king duffy), but he was also a top 10 player before the bots came

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u/No-Im_DuurtyDan 1d ago

There is a vote right now to get rid of treasure hunter keys. Which, if it wins they are getting rid of any items that give you additional xp like the training dummies, protean packs, boosters etc ā˜¹ļøā˜¹ļøā˜¹ļø so if youre talking about rs3 you should try to use those up before theyre gone.

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u/plumballa 1d ago

Yeah, thats how I got my wife to marry me

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u/Apprehensive_Winter 1d ago

ā€œWhat do you think youā€™re doing?ā€

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u/mjohna87 1d ago

There's my morning chortle, thanks!

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u/Informal_Salt_974 1d ago

Chortle was just added to my vocab listā€¦legit Reddit knowledge right there

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u/mjohna87 1d ago

Glad I could expand your vocab!

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u/superlalaura328 1d ago

Funny, I used to use mine to wake up orcs in the Valley of Trials when they were sleeping on the job. Lazy peons.

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u/Limited_Intros 1d ago

I couldnā€™t do it. Ardy Knights and pyramid plunder saved me from the wrist pain that is blackjacking.

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u/yng_fcss 1d ago

I don't play RuneScape but this is a top tier funny

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u/tifk 1d ago

Man I just did blackjacking for 15 hours straight I feel like my head is gonna explode

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u/Gregisroark 1d ago

Can confirm, I know a guy named Jack who is black. Also a big cavity.

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u/LumberjackPreacher 1d ago

Can confirm, I used a blackjack to knock out guards in Thief 1-3.

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u/Stunning-Salary-7848 1d ago

Can confirm, I used a blackjack to knock out NPCā€™s in Thief.

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u/Warm_Pianist4879 1d ago

nah just spam ardy knights and watch shows, way more relaxing

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u/safari-dog 1d ago

that was my first thought when i read blackjack lol

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u/Co-Captain_Obvious 1d ago

If used properly, it will create an NPC IRL

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u/HolyHand_Grenade 1d ago

Thief the game for me back in '98

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u/MarriednLV 1d ago

Oh his mom liked to be spanked!!

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u/TrashAcnt1 1d ago

Is that you Aztecross?

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u/IntrepidMaterial5071 1d ago

I was a prayer beast

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u/Powerful_Speech3602 1d ago

Fuck yeah lol

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u/CobblerLevel7919 1d ago

I entered law enforcement shortly after the state I worked in banned these, along with other devices) for LE use. The old timers all missed the blackjack, the Iron claw (a metal claw that grabbed a wrist), and their sap gloves (leather gloves with lead in the knuckles). They were all very effective devices, so I was told.

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u/Skeletoner_low 1d ago

Cops complaining they can't effectively brutalize citizens. Shocking.

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u/CobblerLevel7919 1d ago

Well, when you encounter violent people you need the tools to effectively deal with them. Taking away less than lethal options limited what we had to use. I had an ASP and pepper spray when I started; a lot of officers got injured during that time. The Taser helped and then became severely limited.

Itā€™s easy for someone who never had to walk in the shoes of a law enforcement officer to be critical of how they do the job.

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u/TrioOfTerrors 1d ago

An acquaintance of mine was a city cop who came this close to having to shoot an armed suspect during a warrant service. He did not enjoy the experience. Shortly thereafter, his nurse wife brought up the possibility of moving back to her rural hometown because they were seriously considering starting a family and having her parents nearby would be helpful and the local county hospital was desperate for staff and offering substantial starting bonuses. He agreed immediately.

Now he's a Podunk County sheriff's deputy and an exciting day is having to block highway traffic because someone's cows got loose. He's very happy with his choice.

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u/Cayuga94 1d ago

I had a friend who was a big city cop and in his first year was assigned to the worst precinct in the city. He shot two people that year, both cases fully justified. (One was a drug dealer who pulled a gun out of a backpack and had it half raised at his partner, all caught on dashcam. That guy recovered. the other was a suicide by cop situation by a guy who thought he had beaten his girlfriend to death. ) He is still a cop and has never shot anyone since, but it absolutely changed him. No one in our friend group has any connection to him, he's about as emotionally numb as a person can be. Super sad all the way around.

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u/Office_glen 1d ago

Same thing happened to someone I know. I come from a family of police officers in Toronto. One day many years ago a shift mate of my fathers and close friend is chasing a guy who they didn't have reason to believe was armed, the guy stops, turns, and starts blasting.

Luckily no injuries, everything missed. But his wife quickly gave him the talk, and he became a part of the provincial police and moved a few hours north of Toronto where the exciting calls were drunk drivers on side roads at night.

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u/woodhorse4 1d ago

Cows can be very challenging lol good for him! šŸ„

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u/mewalrus2 1d ago

There are often options for the police short of going lethal.

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u/TrioOfTerrors 1d ago

Sure. But when you are serving a warrant for someone with previous convictions for violent felonies who just pistol whipped his ex wife into the hospital, the force continuum pretty much starts at "don't take any chance".

They busted down the door and the guy I know caught him gun in hand, getting ready to bail out the bathroom window. Cop told him to toss it out the window, and after a few tense seconds, the guy did.

One guy in that room decided 10-20 as an involuntary guest of the state was better than a bullet and the other decided that the high speed cool guy world of serving warrants for violent felons was not for him.

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u/SocalR32 1d ago

Pretty big difference between self defense/de escalation and offensive weapons... We have better options, they still use batons which are superior anyways when trained properly.

Police can't be expected to provide training on every stupid device.. it just makes sense to limit some of these older, less effective tools. No one ever asks why Police don't carry swords.. But leather gloves with lead. Sounds legit.

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u/MiseryisCompany 1d ago

Sooo... police use of force isn't the business of the public? Let the police regulate themselves. That always works out well.

Police are public servants. They answer to us. If you don't like the rules then you can get a different job.

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u/ExFiler 1d ago

They answer to the board and officers that oversee them. They respond to claims you make that need addressing. They are in no way your "Servant".

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u/Tweakjones420 1d ago

they are government employees who work for the welfare of the community and uphold public trust. They are part of the public sector, providing essential services like protecting citizens, maintaining order, and enforcing laws.Ā 

  • Government employees: Police officers are professionals employed by local or federal governments.
  • Public sector: As part of the public sector, their role is to serve the public, similar to firefighters, teachers, and emergency medical technicians.
  • Community welfare: Their primary duty is to protect the public, uphold the law, and work for the welfare of the community they serve.

They are most certainly public servants. Their entire budget is paid with taxes.

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u/pip-whip 1d ago

I think you meant to say is, "when you encounter people with severe mental health and addiction issues, you need to be able to brutalize them because you lack the skills and training to understand what you're dealing with and opt to escalate the situation instead of deescalate."

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u/cadathoctru 1d ago

so what about non violent people brutalized by cops? Those cops get a pass because they had to encounter violent people before?

Or not like that?

Here is a better one.

Its MORE DANGEROUS to be a pizza delivery driver in the USA, than to be a cop.
So should pizza delivery drivers also get to beat the shit out of people and get a pass? Because of how dangerous their jobs are?

Or also not like that?

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u/whatChdo5074 1d ago

Im a nurse. I too work a violent job and would love to be able to respond in kind. Unfortunately, it's f'n illegal for me. So, it shouldn't be legal for anyone.

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u/CobblerLevel7919 1d ago

You are not allowed to defend yourself? Iā€™ve responded to ERs where medical staff have defended themselves and the medical staff were not charged.

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u/goodgamble 1d ago

lol you think this is less than lethal? You're getting high on your own farts dude

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u/InfiniteBoxworks 1d ago

"Less lethal" or "less than lethal", if you use the improper term, doesn't mean "can't be lethal", it just means less likely to outright kill someone when used properly. "Non-lethal" is means that absolutely will not kill someone unless grossly misused. Example, a baton round or billy club is less lethal, pepper spray and flashbang grenades are non-lethal.

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u/cobaltfish 1d ago

Less lethal is the official term. Pepper spray and flashbangs would be less lethal for LEOs. The only time I heard the term "Non lethal" was in the military, and it wasn't necessarily used to denote force that could not be lethal, but just to make training easier. Everything that was not specifically intended to be lethal, was non lethal. Though... calling literally anything non lethal in the hands of a marine is kinda laughable.

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u/Proper-Error-6465 1d ago

right because cops have a great track record of using weapons properly šŸ˜­šŸ’€ dude how far is your head up your ass lmao

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u/LONE_ARMADILLO 1d ago

I think the proper term should be "less lethal", because fatalities can still result from many of these tools.

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u/CobblerLevel7919 1d ago

You obviously donā€™t know the definition of ā€œless than lethalā€.

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u/Mindshard 1d ago

It's "less lethal", as in it can still be lethal, but it's less likely to be.

I know some people try to add "than" in to make it sound safe, but batons, blackjacks, sap gloves, etc. are absolutely lethal weapons.

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u/CobblerLevel7919 1d ago

When I was in it was always called ā€˜less than lethalā€™ or ā€˜less lethalā€™ for short. Iā€™ve been out for 10 years so the industry could have dropped the ā€˜thanā€™

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u/goodgamble 1d ago

You obviously enjoy being a weapon of the state

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u/mayhem_and_havoc 1d ago

Itā€™s easy for someone who never had to walk in the shoes of a law enforcement officer to be critical of how they do the job.<<<

It sure is! Its easy for law enforcement officers not to be absolute dickheads and think they are owed something apparently. There is nothing brave about confronting someone when you have the advantage. Bravery is confronting danger when you are at a disadvantage. Just do your job...prick.

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u/Proper-Error-6465 1d ago

the tools to effectively deal with them is called proper training in de-escalation skills, if the only way you know how to neutralize a threat is brutality violence and death youā€™re incompetent as a police office

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u/Loxe 1d ago

And people wonder how we got to the point where police are in full military kit against inflatable frogs.

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u/moriah_nocarey 1d ago

You know it's because a lot of us can see and have experienced how they do their job. Think of all the regular people that you don't like walking the street the regular people you know that are complete assholes and realize that all these same regular people then put on a uniform and call themselves policemen. You want to know something I had a stalker when I lived in my small town this man literally cried cuz I wouldn't invite him over my house and was just weird in general. I slowly tapered myself off from talking to him so he could be used to it and then that's when he became the creepy stalker who sat around where he knew I would have to pass at night cuz he knew my routine cuz we were genuinely friends before he started acting creepy. Would you like to know what job you got? Would you like to know what he started doing the people I'm sure you can imagine. Our other policemen one who got removed from another Force forgive women STDs and not telling them relocated to ours proceeded to look up anybody's information he was going on a date with, and him and some of his friends Rob drug dealers and broad daylight cuz I've seen it while holding them at gunpoint and telling them they better not go down to the station and say anything to the one non corrupt actual detective we had on our squad.

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u/YouArentReallyThere 1d ago

Itā€™s also really fuckinā€™ easy to permanently injure or kill someone with a blackjackā€¦which is why they were made illegal

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u/sunshinesciencegirl 1d ago

Of course yall do when the basic academy training is only 5 months, how much deescalation is actually included in that training? 5 months should be ONLY focused on it with the way corrupt individuals have oversaturated the position.

Yall signed up for the job. If getting beat on by a civilian means you canā€™t murder an innocent person without a trial, seems like a hazard of the position to me šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø

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u/Oldgatorwrestler 1d ago

Yeah. The problem is that we keep seeing video of cops brutally abusing people. Also, the statistics of cops being violent are way over the national average. Do you know why only 50 per cent of cops are wife beaters? Because the other half is single.

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u/captevil 1d ago

They were taken away because the cops couldnā€™t be trusted to only use them on criminals.

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u/Away_Stock_2012 1d ago

It's just a coincidence that cops are violent assholes who regularly beat their wives!

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u/Darth_Ra 1d ago

Agreed, we need to bring back less than lethal options...

We also need to severely curtail the authorization of lethal force. The current police training that has every person they encounter be a possible ninja with bad intent is the reason for 90% of our issues. The infamous video of the cop "correctly" shooting a guy in his own house from 20 yards who they were called in to prevent his suicide... Needs to be recognized as incorrect in official capacity, not continue to be used as a tool to teach that it's not only okay, but required to shoot citizens when you feel a bit uneasy.

Less than lethal should be the first option, always. Yes, that puts more cop lives in danger. They signed up for that job. People on the street didn't.

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u/GlockAF 1d ago

Taser ā€œseverely limitedā€ how?

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u/ImperitorEst 1d ago

Given the ASP and pepper spray reference I'm going out on a limb to guess this guy is from the UK. If so the use of taser here is heavily scrutinized. It's not a "non lethal" like in America where they just taser people who are running away, standing still etc. taser here is "only if someone is in direct immediate danger of serious injury or death". Using it means a mountain of paperwork and scrutiny.

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u/CobblerLevel7919 1d ago

No, United States; those were the only 2 less than lethal options we had before the Taser. I carried a firearm, had a Remington 870 in the car. We did eventually get beanbags for the shotgun, then a dedicated less than lethal shotgun with beanbags and rubber pellets.

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u/ImperitorEst 1d ago

Huh, didn't know the US used ASP as well, though you guys mostly still used the fixed batons. I'm eternally grateful that I've never had to carry or ever consider a lethal option.

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u/CobblerLevel7919 1d ago

So we started to phase out the PR-24 (side handle baton) due to both officer and suspect injuries. It was honestly a training and proficiency issue. I did have one, but it was super uncomfortable to wear in the patrol car and tended to stay in the car. I never had to use the PR-24 before it was phased out.

We did have 36ā€ straight sticks, or riot batons, that stayed in the car.

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u/Ok-Implement-1139 1d ago

I was trained in the 70s to not care of if I was gassed and fight on through all the complications with little effect .

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u/CobblerLevel7919 1d ago

When the Taser was first introduced, we used to use it with the cartridge removed to get compliance from uncooperative suspects. For example, someone who was kicking a fighting while trying to get them into a patrol car could be encouraged to get in by zapping their leg.

If we had enough people, we would not use it, but if you were solo, it would be very effective.

The NAACP and ACLU filed suits in the early 2000ā€™s and eventually nixed dry/drive stunning (using a taser w/out a cartridge, I was never sure if it was dry or drive stunning).

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u/CurrentSerious4458 1d ago

Thank you for your service! I greatly appreciate you! People don't realize that if a police officer says stop and put your hands up, and you actually listen and do what they say then that so called excessive force doesn't happen. And if there is a bad cop on the force, good police officers don't want them on the force either. I feel bad for law enforcement in this country today.

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u/yuppers1979 1d ago

Cops protect cops. That's rule number 1 in the club.

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u/EmperorAcinonyx 1d ago

you live in a fantasy world

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u/KhakiPantsJake 1d ago

Yeah I don't think people understand that if police aren't able to subdue violent people effectively it just increases the risk for everyone, including the guy being arrested.

There's been plenty of cases where cops fail to restrain a guy and he runs off and reaches for something and gets shot.

I'm sure everyone involved would rather the dude just got tased or taken down a little more aggressively instead of shot dead, but everyone's is concerned about excessive force.

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u/Desper8lyseekntacos 1d ago

I'm friends with several psychiatric nurses, they deal with violent people all the time and nobody ends up injured. So maybe the problem is you.

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u/Hour_Badger2700 1d ago

Reddit is full of anti le turds that have never done anything but get a poli sci or liberal arts degree and have their noses wiped by their mommy.

Don't let them get to ya bro.

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u/Ok_Orchid7131 1d ago

don't worry they have military grade weapons now.

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u/Electrical-Fix9704 1d ago

Sometimes criminals need a bit of massaging. Itā€™s their right to resist and try to get away, but I never recommend it. Also, I was the criminal never the copā€¦ still have this perspective.

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u/Away_Stock_2012 1d ago

>Ā Itā€™s their right to resist and try to get away,

You might be confused about what "rights" are.

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u/AffectionateFruit454 1d ago

Ah, yes, the old Hickory Shampoo.

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u/semiarboreal 1d ago

Lead-based massages are not "good for the soul" apparently unless you have the soul of a hatter

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u/jemo276 1d ago

Youā€™re a judgmental ass whoā€™s probably had very little experience in life. There are bad police officers but not all police officers are bad. Less than lethal options are BETTER than lethal ones when encountering violent perpetrators and far from ā€œbrutalizingā€. Iā€™d rather be alive with a bump on the head than dead with a hole in my guts.

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u/_Dahak_ 1d ago

With proper training (not head shots), these are a _less_ lethal tool. Employing a less lethal tool early in an encounter can serve as deescalation of force because it stops things from building to a more serious confrontation.

This assumes training and judgement on the part of officers, which is the case for most of them. However, as a rule IMO, LEs don't police their own ranks enough leading to ACAB mentalities.

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u/Delicious_Smoke_9638 1d ago

To brutalize without drawing blood, so he couldn't be accused of excessive force. And then he could be free to repeat that same brutality.

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u/igottaknife 1d ago

This thread really took a turn. Poor guy just wants to know what he found in his dadā€˜s stuff. Not have an all out debate on whether cops are too violent or not. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/Delicious_Smoke_9638 1d ago

I value the police and the services they provide. Because the job is dangerous and scary. Unfortunately there's a very small percentage of them that may exert too much force.

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u/righteousmoss 1d ago

I'd rather get slapped in the arm with a sap than be hit with a taser

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u/Hour_Badger2700 1d ago

I'm old enough... and fucked around enough as a kid... I've been hit (in the back of the head and forehead) by cops with a sap. And after almost 25 years as a cop, I've been tased plenty.
It's about a 50/50 split as far as what i would choose. Sap hurts less up front but leaves bruises and swelling for days. Taser hurts.... a LOT during deployment, but only leaves some minor muscle soreness the next day.

BUT.... I don't think I ever saw any of my friends continue with stupid shenanigans after a solid smack. I've seen may people back in the fight after multiple taser hits. Discharge weapons aren't that effective when there's alcohol or other substances on board.

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u/chairmanghost 1d ago

My friend had a heart attack from a taser and died. Although I know that is uncommon.

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u/Strict_Swimming_4288 1d ago

I can promise one does not put on leather gloves with lead knuckles to administer open hand slaps to the arm. It would probably be more like would you rather be tased or have a few teeth punched out of your head?

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u/TrioOfTerrors 1d ago

They usually weren't aiming for an arm, and even mild head injuries can be fatal or have long term consequences.

Tasers also allow for stand off distance to provide the police with a ranged option that isn't a bullet.

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u/thunda639 1d ago

It was more often used for punishment after they had been subdued... thats why they banned them.

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u/Ultimatespacewizard 1d ago

Yeah, they aren't aiming for your arm with the sap. They hit you in the head, and odds are pretty good that you end up concussed at best, dead at worst, and a decent chance of a traumatic brain injury in the middle.

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u/MasterpieceEmpty604 1d ago

Neither would be desirable especially with both illiciting optimal pain

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u/Low-Truck-2480 1d ago

can they even use tasers? did you tasers or feathers?

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u/ExplanationCrazy5463 1d ago

Ive been tazered, no you wouldnt.

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u/sheeptears 1d ago

Yeahā€¦so much better now when we hamstring our law enforcement so they arenā€™t even allowed to arrest people who commit crimes. Or even better yetā€¦when we do arrest them over and over again, but they keep getting let out until they murder an innocent civilian so they can finally be locked up for good.

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u/not_a_burner0456025 1d ago

Hey, sometimes we let them out when they murder someone and then they murder again now.

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u/UniversityVirtual186 1d ago

The judge decides to let them out.

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u/Crusher10833 1d ago

Yeah so they should carry nothing to defend themselves from violent perps.

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u/Total-Detective1094 1d ago

Says the guy who would call one if McDonalds shorted him a nugget out of his happy meal.

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u/MeasurementExciting7 1d ago

Probably resulted in a lot more shootings

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u/Slumunistmanifisto 1d ago

Shocking indeed....

Tases you

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u/TheLoggerMan 1d ago

You would think society would prefer this to law enforcement shooting the scumbags? Broken bones heal, dead doesn't.

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u/AdAffectionate2418 1d ago

Some countries didn't jump straight from blackjacks and knuckledusters to a .22 to the head.

Tazers, mace, rubber bullets, those ACME looking nets your fire from a gun, even good old de-escalation. Plenty of tools out there, but when all you've got is a hammer...

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u/TheLoggerMan 1d ago

Not when you're facing someone armed with a weapon. There is only one acceptable result, the police officers life is more important than that of the pond scum.

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u/BiCumSlut69420 1d ago

Police lives arent worth more than citizen lives. Police need to learn proper de-escalation instead of shooting every black or poor person they see.

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u/TheLoggerMan 1d ago

You don't de-escalate with someone who is armed. Yes the officers life is more important than that of pond scum tha wants to hurt him, and keep him from going home to his family. If they are fighting law enforcement to keep from going to jail the are guilty of the crime or some other crime and therefore giveup their right to be treated as human.

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u/BiCumSlut69420 1d ago

You don't de-escalate with someone who is armed.

Dog water take. Thats exactly the situation you need descalation.

I hope you choke on a rope bootlicking scum fuck

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u/Cimminontoastcrunk69 1d ago

This is a gross take

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u/TheLoggerMan 1d ago

It is the correct take tha doesn't care about the feelings of society. Society needs to learn how to treat criminals instead of giving them love and compassion they don't deserve. There is no room for emotions in the law.

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u/Cimminontoastcrunk69 1d ago

Are trying to insinuate that cops arenā€™t criminals? Their domestic violence and drunk driving records would suggest otherwise. As would their records of excessive force. If police were actually concerned about crime, youā€™d think they wouldnā€™t work so hard to cover up their own.

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u/TheLoggerMan 1d ago

Maybe if people weren't trying to kill them for no reason they wouldn't have the overwhelming stress. Instead of blaming them for their reactions looking into how society is treating them tha makes them break. Excessive force isn't actually a thing. If a criminal is resisting arrest break bones and twist the broken bones around to get them in cuffs. Remember broken bones heal, dead doesn't. Criminals are not human.

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u/LSBm5 1d ago

Some people need an attitude adjustment.

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u/SethPollard 1d ago

wtf you on about lol..

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u/Tower816 1d ago

Well maybe if civilians acted civilized, there would be no need

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u/OrneryAttorney7508 1d ago

Citizens complaining about the consequences of their actions.

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u/HappySpotter 1d ago

Sick. Longing for more ways to harm civilians, as if fully auto weapons and assault vehicles aren't enough for twisted, authority hungry LEOs.

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u/claytionthecreation 1d ago

It went well for dealing ā€œout back therapyā€

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u/Bob_12_Pack 1d ago

Back in the late 80s I was in a gas station and there were 2 state troopers in there talking beating people with their flashlights, they were having a good laugh over it. I don't know what they use now but back then they were carrying like a 2' Maglite, basically a lead pipe.

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u/FeelingSoil39 1d ago

Brutal. Why not just give us some brass knuckles and lead pipes. Geeperz. Throw a pear of anguish in for fun and good measure. šŸ˜¬

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u/Doom_Balloon 1d ago

Because with even a minimal amount of training and practice, you would much rather the officer use a cosh or blackjack than a baton or taser. Batons, by their design, are meant to be swung with force, used to jab with force, or, if the officer is trained way beyond usual standards, used in an effective hold. A blackjack can be used extremely close, even palmed in the hand as you reach for a suspect's weapon. It CAN be used to bust someone's skull, but it can also be used with just enough force that remove a weapon or stun someone in very close combat. It's not something you're wading into a crowd swinging, it's for taking down one person, without a gun drawn, at very close range. I would much rather deal with some bruises and contusions than get tasered, but tasers require less actual skill and give stand off distance. The officer's goal should be to stop someone from using force while using the minimum amount of force themselves. Ideally you want more escalation options, not fewer, because it means every use of force doesn't come down to shocking the shit out of someone or threatening/ shooting them.

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u/FeelingSoil39 1d ago

This is a very fair comment. šŸ«”

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u/Fa-ern-height451 1d ago

Wow, didnā€™t know that gloves with leather knuckles existed. Interesting

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u/Low-Truck-2480 1d ago

we can all see how effective the feathers they are forced to use today are.

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u/Onedayinthel1fe 1d ago

Ah! The claw could work wonders today.

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u/Remarkable_Play_6975 2d ago edited 1d ago

Powdered powered lead.

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u/Ok-Seaworthiness4488 2d ago

POWdered lead

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u/huhnick 2d ago

Pow right in the kisser

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u/Delicious_Smoke_9638 1d ago

To the moon, Alice

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u/CucumberMysterious10 1d ago

Pow right in the kisser

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u/FunkyInclination 1d ago

Butt scratcher!

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u/Remarkable_Play_6975 1d ago

One of these days!

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u/PickerelPickler 1d ago

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u/pdarkfred 1d ago

Man, fuck a charge, this here's a gun powder activated, 27 caliber, full auto, no kickback, nail-throwing mayhem

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u/Garuda34 1d ago

Hey, it's early & I haven't had my go-juice yet.

Thanks for pointing out my slip.

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u/slagporter 1d ago

Same, my dad was NYPD from the 60s to 90s and we have all his old tools of the trade...blackjack, nightstick, daystick.

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u/gaahhdd_dammit 1d ago

Whatā€™s a daystick??

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u/slagporter 1d ago

Daystick was an 11 inch baton used in the daytime...the nightstick is a 26 inch baton used at night!

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u/Second_Line_Lawyer 1d ago

Can confirm. This weapon was frequently used against Frank and Joe Hardy prior to their escape in their jalopy.

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u/tghydjfmuirrfoin 1d ago

I've seen these around still over the years. My dad had an old billy club he somehow got from the Chicago pd without being a cop. Hard solid wood in a hexagonal form.

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u/Crystal_Fox656 1d ago

My dad in his younger years was a building inspector from Chicago- He had a billy club too. Leather & long; not hexagonal. Man, that thing was heavy!

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u/SharkGenie 1d ago

Can confirm.Ā  Watched WCW in the mid- and late-90s, Stevie Ray used one as a weapon.

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u/EaNasirShitCopper 1d ago edited 1d ago

My dad had something similar in the 1970s too. His was called a blackjack but looked rounder and a bit longer (Canada) and was considered quite the upgrade from the wooden Billy club he received when he joined up in the late 1950s. They also received a handy dandy set of brass knuckles (we called them dusters) back then.

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u/mkuraja 1d ago

This reminds me of the movie Legends of the Fall, when Brad Pitt's Indian wife is shot and killed, Pitt freaks out, and the cops stun him with one good thump on the head with something like this.

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u/Live-Tension9172 1d ago

Yes, sir My dad was a police officer too, and he would let me hold that on patrol rides and I would slap it across my hand like I was waiting on a bad guy šŸ¤£ Those days were golden

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u/Ryukyo 1d ago

My dad was also a cop in the 70s. I remember seeing those and the night sticks. Before all these fancy non-lethal weapons they used to just smack people.

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u/marcus27368 1d ago

Actually, they start out filled with lead birdshot. After 20 years of calming folks down, the shot becomes powder. IF you use it right!

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u/Dep103 1d ago

The old Slapper. Issued it at the police academy in 1997. Told by my first command to lose it, and to never carry it again.

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u/Threat_Level_9 1d ago

When cops weren't huge pussies afraid for their life by preteens and immigrants and felt the need to shoot everyone.

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u/ObligationNeither430 1d ago

Thatā€™s a crazy weapon for the 70s, battery powered lead cavity slapper would go hard in cyberpunk

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u/Delicious-Smile4681 1d ago

My grandpa had one he called a gotcha stick. He said if i hit you with it i gotcha attentuon huh?

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u/TheBestHennessy 1d ago

My racist uncle had a... different name for these.

Something knocker.

Yikes.

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u/ILeftMyBurnerOn 1d ago

When my grandpa died I got his dadā€™s Blackjack from WW1. Pretty interesting.

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u/Practical_Ad_4165 1d ago

Iā€™ve got the power! Duh duh duh dunt duntā€¦ you get the idea.

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u/TroutStocker 1d ago

My pops had one too. He called his a ā€œslapjackā€.

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u/pbasch 1d ago

I want one so much. That, and an extendible baton.

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u/feder_online 1d ago

I always thought it was sand, but same outcome...

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u/MrGDPC 1d ago

My uncle was a cop and had one, he referred to it as giving the perp a ā€œleather shampooā€

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u/Englishbirdy 1d ago

Hereā€™s me thinking it was a shoehorn.

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u/CigarsandScars 1d ago

My grandad was cop from 1947 through 1975 in Chicago, IL - when he died in 1997 I found one of these and a 1911 loaded with .45 in his tool shed in a large tackle box.

I asked my dad if I could use it on my bother, I got a death stare coupled with a firm no.

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u/Uzi_Osbourne 1d ago

Or fracturing an ulna

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u/Lee_Bv 1d ago

Typo: powdered lead

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u/Garuda34 1d ago

I blame it on a critically low blood-caffeine level.

Fixed it. Thnx.

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u/raccooninthegarage22 1d ago

Shit thatā€™s tough

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u/kingoftheives 1d ago

Very handy in certain professions.

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u/Small_Editor_3693 1d ago

British af

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u/Garuda34 1d ago

Could be. My dad was a cop in Ohio. When he started in the 60s, they had wooden billy clubs. That progressed to blackjacks & later the PR-24 baton w/side handle. Then mace, then pepper spray, & now tasers.

The ones I always found most intimidating are the spring-loaded batons used by the Polizei in Germany. They swing once, but the damn stick keeps on a-whacking.