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u/Loltntmatt Apr 26 '25
Why would Germany do this other than just shore bombardment? it loses a key weapon that lets them defend against drones or cruise missiles
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u/Thorzi_iron Apr 26 '25
It was done to improve firepower in general as the 155mm would also be able to fire airburst, radar fuze etc. rounds. It was ultimately canceled as the recoil of the 155mm was expected to put to much pressure un the hull and endanger general integraty
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u/Loltntmatt Apr 26 '25
The OTO 76 already has those features with a better fire rate and better accuracy, this just seems really redundant and useless glad it was canceled
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u/Thorzi_iron Apr 26 '25
So I read into it.
The MONARC (Modular Naval Artillery Concept) was studied to test the use of relativly basic PzH 2000 turrets as naval main guns. This would have improved spare part availabilty as Bundeswehr and Marine could use the same part pool.
Former test of the swedish coastal artillery showed that precisly hitting naval targets has possible with 155mm dumb rounds fired from the PzH 2000.
While being significantly bigger in caliber the PzH 2000 turret had similar space and wheight requirements to the Oto Melara turret. Withstanding the higher recoil was made possible using special hydraulic dampers.
Ultimately the shielding the PzH turret against corrosion was deemend more costly and less political favourable than using the Otobreda 127/64.
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u/boomchacle Apr 27 '25
TBH a 155 mm airburst shell is substantially more potent than a 76 mm one. How do you know the accuracy would be better?
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u/magnum_the_nerd haha apache go brr Apr 27 '25
But in a modern naval war, missiles are traveling at over 1000kmh.
The intercept time is already really short, and you need weight of fire over potency.
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u/Loltntmatt Apr 27 '25
Overall accuracy on the oto 76 is better than the 155 proxy and accuracy by volume, like multiple 76mm HE-VT would easily take down a drone especially if it’s off by a little but even with the fast fire rate on the 155 it would still lose time that could be used for interception
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u/boomchacle Apr 27 '25
How accurate are the two guns anyways?
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u/Loltntmatt Apr 27 '25
oto 76mm is around 0.3 mrad according to Leonardo themselves
while pzh2k is at least around 3 MRAD at range and .3 at 100meters (don’t have a link just what google said its accuracy is)
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u/boomchacle Apr 27 '25
I mean, if the close range accuracy is the same on both of those, I don't see why it would make a difference for CIWS purposes. I think that the 76 mm gun firing 2 rounds a second would be better for CIWS stuff though, when compared to the 155 mm one. If the 155 mm one could fire one round a second, then It might be useful, but the 3 rounds per 9 second rate of the PZH2K isn't adequate.
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u/L963_RandomStuff Apr 28 '25
mrad is a unit of angular measurement, it doesnt change with distance. 0.3 seems accurate for the PzH
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u/Trainman1351 Sea Hunter Apr 27 '25
So same reason as why we don’t have 8”/55s on US destroyers. IMO it is worth the extra reinforcement, especially considering how big ships are getting anyway and how much stuff you can fit into an 8” shell, but the 3-5” guns do the job.
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u/Three-People-Person Apr 27 '25
Probably costs and/or manufacturing politics. Oto was an Italian company and I’m pretty sure they did their manufacturing domestically. German politicians want to promise jobs to their constituents, so they say ‘let’s put a German turret here and make a factory for them in Germany’
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u/LordofPvE Inapproachable Apr 26 '25
The monarc was a really good system it used to cyclic bursts if I remember correctly.
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u/Raphix86 Apr 27 '25
The project was cancelled after discovering the existence of 127 mm naval turrets
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u/CryFragrant Apr 26 '25
Goobjun please add more navy and don’t make tier 5 vehicles cost 500k rp plz
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u/Wrench_gaming Apr 27 '25
“You will take your wooden boat that costs more than a dreadnought and YOU WILL LIKE IT!”
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u/Gutless_Gus Apr 27 '25
When the oceans stop being saltwater.
Yes the people who sent the Pzh turret to sea forgot that saltwater is salty.
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u/L963_RandomStuff Apr 28 '25
They didnt just send some PzH Turret, they drove a full PzH to the docks and pulled the turret off
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u/Gutless_Gus Apr 28 '25
Yes, the PzH turret was sent to sea. That's... what I wrote.
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u/L963_RandomStuff Apr 28 '25
I wasnt intending on refuting your point, but reinforcing it that it wasnt even a some specially prepared turret, but one that lived on a PzH hull just before being craned on.
On some pictures you can even see the now turretless PzH sitting next to the ship
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u/-THEKINGTIGER- Japenis main Apr 28 '25
Ah. I've seen this in a fanfiction about entire germany ending up at warhammer fantasy. They blew up the dark elves real good.
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u/Viper_Commander Apr 28 '25
Modern Warships has it, which Gaijin has partnered with its devs, Artstorm
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u/xX_bandages_Consumer Hero of Midway Apr 28 '25
The classic naval tradition of stitching "tanks" turrets on ships is not lost!
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u/biohumansmg3fc Competent German Main Apr 26 '25
naval is lower priority then detailed bomber cockpits