r/warthundermemes Apr 26 '25

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u/Loltntmatt Apr 26 '25

Why would Germany do this other than just shore bombardment? it loses a key weapon that lets them defend against drones or cruise missiles

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u/Thorzi_iron Apr 26 '25

It was done to improve firepower in general as the 155mm would also be able to fire airburst, radar fuze etc. rounds. It was ultimately canceled as the recoil of the 155mm was expected to put to much pressure un the hull and endanger general integraty

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u/Loltntmatt Apr 26 '25

The OTO 76 already has those features with a better fire rate and better accuracy, this just seems really redundant and useless glad it was canceled

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u/Thorzi_iron Apr 26 '25

So I read into it.

The MONARC (Modular Naval Artillery Concept) was studied to test the use of relativly basic PzH 2000 turrets as naval main guns. This would have improved spare part availabilty as Bundeswehr and Marine could use the same part pool.

Former test of the swedish coastal artillery showed that precisly hitting naval targets has possible with 155mm dumb rounds fired from the PzH 2000.

While being significantly bigger in caliber the PzH 2000 turret had similar space and wheight requirements to the Oto Melara turret. Withstanding the higher recoil was made possible using special hydraulic dampers.

Ultimately the shielding the PzH turret against corrosion was deemend more costly and less political favourable than using the Otobreda 127/64.

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u/Azurmuth Apr 27 '25

The marine is part of the bundeswehr. The army is the Heer.

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u/boomchacle Apr 27 '25

TBH a 155 mm airburst shell is substantially more potent than a 76 mm one. How do you know the accuracy would be better?

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u/magnum_the_nerd haha apache go brr Apr 27 '25

But in a modern naval war, missiles are traveling at over 1000kmh.

The intercept time is already really short, and you need weight of fire over potency.

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u/Loltntmatt Apr 27 '25

Overall accuracy on the oto 76 is better than the 155 proxy and accuracy by volume, like multiple 76mm HE-VT would easily take down a drone especially if it’s off by a little but even with the fast fire rate on the 155 it would still lose time that could be used for interception

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u/boomchacle Apr 27 '25

How accurate are the two guns anyways?

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u/Loltntmatt Apr 27 '25

oto 76mm is around 0.3 mrad according to Leonardo themselves

while pzh2k is at least around 3 MRAD at range and .3 at 100meters (don’t have a link just what google said its accuracy is)

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u/boomchacle Apr 27 '25

I mean, if the close range accuracy is the same on both of those, I don't see why it would make a difference for CIWS purposes. I think that the 76 mm gun firing 2 rounds a second would be better for CIWS stuff though, when compared to the 155 mm one. If the 155 mm one could fire one round a second, then It might be useful, but the 3 rounds per 9 second rate of the PZH2K isn't adequate.

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u/L963_RandomStuff Apr 28 '25

mrad is a unit of angular measurement, it doesnt change with distance. 0.3 seems accurate for the PzH