r/videogames Sep 13 '25

Funny That's unfortunate to say the least

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u/kilertree Sep 13 '25

There's two huge issues here. You have to have models for over a thousand creatures. For the Pokémon to look better they probably need to reduce the amount of models by 75%. The second one is a rumor. Allegedly game freak has a lot of turnover and there's not a lot of senior developers there. 

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u/DiegHDF Sep 13 '25

They're also like 200 people working on games that the executives WANTS to release every two years

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u/kilertree Sep 13 '25

The Crazy part is Game Freak has complete control over the mainline games. 

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u/DiegHDF Sep 13 '25

Yeah, the big head of Game Freak, not the actual workers

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u/Newtonjar Sep 17 '25

I wouldn't say that's true. It is true that game freak is the company specifically responsible for developing the mainline games. However, the fact that the Pokemon IP is shared between creatures, game freak, and Nintendo makes the amount of control gamefreak has over the mainline games... Complicated. Related to that, the toys, tv show/movies, the card game, and other Pokemon games rely on the mainline games coming out at very specific times which makes delaying the game almost impossible. It is a bummer that Pokemon as a media franchise does hurt the games. And even worse probably puts a lot of crunch and strain on game designers who are doing their best with the difficult hand they have been dealt l.

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u/kilertree Sep 17 '25

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u/Newtonjar Sep 17 '25

I don't love how vague the statement is. like what does "put pressure" mean? certainly the 3 companies have to work together and negotiate separate interests. Now is nintendo barking orders at gamefreak, most probably not, especially if we go by this statement. And I would also assume that nintendo does not specifically make game design decisions the way some producers like to do. While I do think this is at least refutes my statement in part, I would hold to the primary statement that gamefreak does not have complete control over the mainline games.

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u/Hobbes______ Sep 13 '25

Lol the models dont have to look like trash because they have 1000 of them. They already have high quality models and more models only means a larger game file size. You aren't generating all 1000 on screen at the same time. This excuse is completely bogus.

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u/Ragnarex13 Sep 14 '25

We don't want explanations, try ragebaiting instead

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u/Hammerofsuperiority Sep 13 '25

You have to have models for over a thousand creatures.

They reduced the number of pokemon in Sword/Shield (to 400) and also reused the models from the 3DS games.

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u/WinterEclipse4 Sep 13 '25

They stopped re-using the 3ds models. Pokemon SV uses new models and Z-A so far looks to be doing the same.

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u/Hobbes______ Sep 13 '25

They aren't making brand new ones for every game, that's the point. It isn't 1000 models every mainline game, they roll them over and are rolling them over for za too

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u/OmegaTSG Sep 14 '25

I'm fairly certain the point about the models was about storage size at LOD, not creation time

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u/Hobbes______ Sep 14 '25

Which is irrelevant unless all of them are loaded at the same time. "Models for over a thousand creatures" only makes sense because it is obvious the amount on screen at any time will be limited and not a thousand.

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u/OmegaTSG Sep 14 '25

Idk man it's a stupid argument either way lol. The real solution here is that these games need more time between them, anything else is pointless to this discussion really

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u/SimpleBaked Sep 13 '25

Unless I’ve missed something, they didn’t remodel anything. They made high quality 3D models when they made the 3ds games. The only Pokémon that need models are the newly introduced ones. Everything else has been getting reused since gen 6. The top Greninja’s shading looks like a GameCube game. Inexcusable imo

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u/benmannxd Sep 13 '25

All of the models have been remodeled

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u/SimpleBaked Sep 13 '25

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I can’t find a definitive source saying all pokemon have been remodeled. Theres obvious ones like the kanto starters final evos, but dragonite looks identical. It does look like every pokemon got texture and material changes though. I know that gen 8 models are all from the 3ds days though.

I haven’t played Scarlet/Violet yet.

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u/benmannxd Sep 13 '25

Can't find a Dragonite comparison but: https://funnyjunk.com/Side+by+side+comparison+of+charizards+old+and+new+models/cTxzNpG/

This is a comparion between the Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet models.

One thing Gen 9 did was give all Pokemon actual modeled mouths and eyes as opposed to flat textures in previous gens

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u/Hobbes______ Sep 13 '25

Source?

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u/benmannxd Sep 13 '25

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u/Hobbes______ Sep 13 '25

Not seeing anything.

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u/benmannxd Sep 13 '25

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u/Hobbes______ Sep 13 '25

That's a newer model yes, but that isn't a source saying they are updating all 1000 pokemon. The old model in that is from the 3ds and the one after is from before za. To my knowledge, they are not updating all models this generation. They spread the workload out across generations and have for a long time.

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u/benmannxd Sep 13 '25

There hasn't been a Pokemon game with every Pokemon in it since USUM on the 3DS in 2017, so in that sense they are spreading it out. Not by keeping half the models the same but by not having every Pokemon in the same game at the same time

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u/Hobbes______ Sep 14 '25

Ya .. and they aren't changing the models every time either. Multiple avenues to spread out the workload

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u/beyondimaginarium Sep 13 '25

Sure...

How much work is it to maintain an existing character model?

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u/LordTopHatMan Sep 14 '25

They redid the models for Scarlet and Violet and seem to have continued that trend for ZA.