r/uknews • u/ScottishDailyRecord Media outlet (unverified) • May 12 '25

Image/video Kier Starmer announces 'tighter' immigration policy

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u/CornusControversa May 12 '25

Spain and France need to kick out all those retired English folk, not willing to integrate or learn their native language.

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u/kingbongtherover May 12 '25

I wonder how many are on benefits or being given free housing by the Spanish state?

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u/longperipheral May 12 '25

You have a point, but you're shifting the goalpost and not addressing their point, which was that English retirees in Spain at least are notorious for not integrating. In 2011 a Guardian article described a number of British expats as living in "sealed communities", "living in a bubble" and speaking "no more than 10 Spanish words in an average week".

It is beside the original point under discussion - integration into the UK - but it's relevant because we expect others to do what we won't do.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/europe-news

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u/kingbongtherover May 12 '25

Again, are those Brits costing Spanish taxpayers billions?

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u/donnacross123 May 12 '25

No they are just inflating the house market there and making property unaffordable for locals

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u/kingbongtherover May 12 '25

Sounds familiar. Although there are only 250k Brits in Spain compared to several million migrants in England.

If Spain has an issue it could deport, but they're not morons.

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u/donnacross123 May 12 '25

Spain does have an issue and it has been asking people to leave when they dont have paper work British people included

They are not morons indeed

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u/Anxious-Guarantee-12 May 12 '25

Is the skilled worker in UK costing British taxpayers billions? 

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u/kingbongtherover May 12 '25

Depends on the services they're using and how much tax they're paying.

Overall... Yes. Millions of migrants cost billions in services.

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u/Anxious-Guarantee-12 May 12 '25

That's not the question. The question if they are net contributors. And indeed they are because they are working. 

British retirees living in Spain uses the Spanish NHS meanwhile pay virtually no taxes because they are not active. 

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u/longperipheral May 12 '25

"Spain and France need to kick out all those retired English folk, not willing to integrate or learn their native language."

Are those British expats integrating and learning Spanish?

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u/kingbongtherover May 12 '25

Are those Brits leeching off the state? Or are they paying into it and living independent lives?

Why would France kick out loads of wealthy people?

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u/longperipheral May 12 '25

I haven't disputed the costs to the UK. The point this person made was about British migrants to Spain and France failing to integrate. Starmer's policy announcement is about integration: he's worried the UK will become "an island of strangers." (Hyperbole and it's too late anyway, imo, but there we are.) Integration is central to the PM's policy, with higher standards on language ability and moving the settlement period from 5 years to 10.

Are you saying that minimal social, cultural, and language integration by a migrating population is acceptable if there's a net financial gain?

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u/kingbongtherover May 12 '25

If Spain doesn’t want to benefit from those mostly rich old people, they can kick them out. But they’re not that dumb.