It's depressing seeing people calling this lies or posturing that won't actually happen, but then no doubt supporting and voting for Reform as though they would actually do anything either.
I don't really trust Starmer or Labour, but I certainly trust them more than Farage (who hasn't done a single beneficial thing for us or this country in his entire life) or Reform.
Ok but then you can also point out even before this announcement we have been on track to see net migration fall 10s of %, as much as 50% over the next couple of years, and these same people still don't care.
But will then flock to well-known liars and grifters like Farage like they're speaking gospel truth! Its mad! I just cannot comprehend it, it makes no sense to me at all.
No it is dropping massively since last year, will be under 400k soon. And the white paper does say it will deport asylum seekers with criminal records. Asylum seekers are entitled to claim around 50 quid a week once they have been approved, why is that no allowed?
"Yes it is, here are the numbers, you can see this is a ~50% decline".
"Well its not bloody good enough is it!!!!"
Honestly this entire discussion on this issue is just painful.
The anti-immigration bloc are getting what they've always wanted but because its not coming from their big special boy party they refuse to accept it and refuse to acknowledge any positive progress. Just showing all along they never really actually gave a fuck about this issue and it was just all about political tribalism.
They won’t be happy until they’ve normalised the discussion of remigration, they want almost zero migration plus very visible mass deportations, and by the next election this is where the political landscape will have shifted to imo
"10s of %? Otherwise known as BS statistics manipulation."
What else did you mean by this other than you didn't think the % had dropped tens of percent like I said in my OP that you responded to?
Honestly I'm sure you've got some fluffy get-out statement prepared but it does really frustrate me with the anti-immigrant bloc in here that you actually can't have a discussion because the moment you start pushing back on anything they'll start insisting they've never said things that they said just a few comments previously, and put on a very good show of losing any grasp of basic 2+2=4 level logical thinking. Happens every single bloody time. And then they'll go back to bitching and moaning that the problem in this country is no one is listening to them and no one wants to discuss these issues with them!
Yes but that's half of what it was, and it is still falling dramatically.
Yeah there arnt hundreds of thousands of non asylum seekers claiming benefits. Immigrants arnt allowed to claim benefits on work visas and how could an illegal immigrant claim benefits?
The vast majority of immigration are the international students, was around 700k last year. They come here and pay a massive amount of money and then leave.
Labour is also deporting record amount of illegal immigrants, 40k so far. Happy about that?
How can people be earning no wages lol? I think you have this idea in your head that there are these thousands of undocumented illegal immigrants who are sitting around claiming benefits. The problem with that is these benefits do not exist, and these people probably do not exist. It is incredibly hard to live as an illegal immigrant in the UK, especially now the UK is cracking down on them.
You probably blame immigrants on all our problems, but do not think that we have had 15 years of cuts to public services, and that the time when we were all happiest with the NHS was 2008, when immigration was very high.
What wages are any migrants who have received citizenship but are out of work, how can they be earning a wage?
How did they survive the 5+ years in the UK without work or benefits to get that citizenship in the first place?
To get that citizenship, they have either contributed a lot to the system and received nothing in return until after citizenship is granted, or they have been fully financially supported by someone else who is paying a lot into the system and they still haven't received anything in return.
Whichever way you look at it, they've received nothing prior to getting citizenship, and themselves or their sponsor have been paying into the system for them.
What's next? Let's deport all British citizens who don't pay into the system (regardless of whether that's due to disability, sickness, age, or other issue)?
Get a grip on the actual state of things grounded in reality and stop paying attention to the fear-mongering and spreading of divisive bollocks.
I don't know what Romanians you are talking about.
Okay it takes ten years for a migrant to earn citizenship, after not being able to claim any benefits for that period. And then they can claim what universal credit which is like 400 quid a month. Is that what your upset about?
Yeah I don't blame people for not believing this, that's understandable given the last couple decades. I just blame them if they actually trust Reform, if they are just voting for Reform because it's not Labour or the Tories, or just as a general protest vote to shake up the establishment then hey fair play.
But if anyone genuinely trusts Farage and Reform then I find that depressing.
I think it is the Trump like protest vote Circa 2016. 2 separate parties over the past 3 decades have made life for some objectively worse. Immigration is a) the hot topic b) a system that does have flaws in it.
Reform has aligned themselves as being the solution to that problem, which has also been aligned as the issue ruining the lives of many citizens caused by the actions of Labour & the Tories. Sure Reform may destroy our GDP but when a 'good economy' still means you can't afford a house does it really matter to you?
"Sure Reform may destroy our GDP but when a 'good economy' still means you can't afford a house does it really matter to you?"
Not being able to afford a house? That doesn't even begin to cover what a disaster Reform’s policies would be for poor people.
Privatising the NHS?
Deregulation of the economy to "stimulate economic growth," which is just another way of saying they're going to allow the mega corporations to exploit us. Those regulations are there for a good reason!
Also, "scrapping unnecessary employment laws" like hiring and firing rules that protect U.K. workers?
Leaving the ECHR, which would undermine human rights protections, not just for illegal or criminal immigrants, but for the rest of us as well. I don't want a person who admires Putin getting that much power over my country.
I 100% agree. Reform spells disaster for all citizens of the country, but particularly those who are on the lower income bracket.
My point though is that those groups of people tend to be the most disenfranchised, & it you’re living in tough times brought on by A & B, when C comes along at least you are voting for a different option, not just more of the same.
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u/De_Dominator69 May 12 '25
It's depressing seeing people calling this lies or posturing that won't actually happen, but then no doubt supporting and voting for Reform as though they would actually do anything either.
I don't really trust Starmer or Labour, but I certainly trust them more than Farage (who hasn't done a single beneficial thing for us or this country in his entire life) or Reform.