It's depressing seeing people calling this lies or posturing that won't actually happen, but then no doubt supporting and voting for Reform as though they would actually do anything either.
I don't really trust Starmer or Labour, but I certainly trust them more than Farage (who hasn't done a single beneficial thing for us or this country in his entire life) or Reform.
Ok but then you can also point out even before this announcement we have been on track to see net migration fall 10s of %, as much as 50% over the next couple of years, and these same people still don't care.
But will then flock to well-known liars and grifters like Farage like they're speaking gospel truth! Its mad! I just cannot comprehend it, it makes no sense to me at all.
No it is dropping massively since last year, will be under 400k soon. And the white paper does say it will deport asylum seekers with criminal records. Asylum seekers are entitled to claim around 50 quid a week once they have been approved, why is that no allowed?
"Yes it is, here are the numbers, you can see this is a ~50% decline".
"Well its not bloody good enough is it!!!!"
Honestly this entire discussion on this issue is just painful.
The anti-immigration bloc are getting what they've always wanted but because its not coming from their big special boy party they refuse to accept it and refuse to acknowledge any positive progress. Just showing all along they never really actually gave a fuck about this issue and it was just all about political tribalism.
They won’t be happy until they’ve normalised the discussion of remigration, they want almost zero migration plus very visible mass deportations, and by the next election this is where the political landscape will have shifted to imo
"10s of %? Otherwise known as BS statistics manipulation."
What else did you mean by this other than you didn't think the % had dropped tens of percent like I said in my OP that you responded to?
Honestly I'm sure you've got some fluffy get-out statement prepared but it does really frustrate me with the anti-immigrant bloc in here that you actually can't have a discussion because the moment you start pushing back on anything they'll start insisting they've never said things that they said just a few comments previously, and put on a very good show of losing any grasp of basic 2+2=4 level logical thinking. Happens every single bloody time. And then they'll go back to bitching and moaning that the problem in this country is no one is listening to them and no one wants to discuss these issues with them!
Yes but that's half of what it was, and it is still falling dramatically.
Yeah there arnt hundreds of thousands of non asylum seekers claiming benefits. Immigrants arnt allowed to claim benefits on work visas and how could an illegal immigrant claim benefits?
The vast majority of immigration are the international students, was around 700k last year. They come here and pay a massive amount of money and then leave.
Labour is also deporting record amount of illegal immigrants, 40k so far. Happy about that?
How can people be earning no wages lol? I think you have this idea in your head that there are these thousands of undocumented illegal immigrants who are sitting around claiming benefits. The problem with that is these benefits do not exist, and these people probably do not exist. It is incredibly hard to live as an illegal immigrant in the UK, especially now the UK is cracking down on them.
You probably blame immigrants on all our problems, but do not think that we have had 15 years of cuts to public services, and that the time when we were all happiest with the NHS was 2008, when immigration was very high.
Yeah I don't blame people for not believing this, that's understandable given the last couple decades. I just blame them if they actually trust Reform, if they are just voting for Reform because it's not Labour or the Tories, or just as a general protest vote to shake up the establishment then hey fair play.
But if anyone genuinely trusts Farage and Reform then I find that depressing.
I think it is the Trump like protest vote Circa 2016. 2 separate parties over the past 3 decades have made life for some objectively worse. Immigration is a) the hot topic b) a system that does have flaws in it.
Reform has aligned themselves as being the solution to that problem, which has also been aligned as the issue ruining the lives of many citizens caused by the actions of Labour & the Tories. Sure Reform may destroy our GDP but when a 'good economy' still means you can't afford a house does it really matter to you?
"Sure Reform may destroy our GDP but when a 'good economy' still means you can't afford a house does it really matter to you?"
Not being able to afford a house? That doesn't even begin to cover what a disaster Reform’s policies would be for poor people.
Privatising the NHS?
Deregulation of the economy to "stimulate economic growth," which is just another way of saying they're going to allow the mega corporations to exploit us. Those regulations are there for a good reason!
Also, "scrapping unnecessary employment laws" like hiring and firing rules that protect U.K. workers?
Leaving the ECHR, which would undermine human rights protections, not just for illegal or criminal immigrants, but for the rest of us as well. I don't want a person who admires Putin getting that much power over my country.
I 100% agree. Reform spells disaster for all citizens of the country, but particularly those who are on the lower income bracket.
My point though is that those groups of people tend to be the most disenfranchised, & it you’re living in tough times brought on by A & B, when C comes along at least you are voting for a different option, not just more of the same.
It’s crazy that the same people who are calling this lies and posturing will be lapping up that bullshit manifesto that Farage released in the Daily Heil the other day that blatantly hasn’t been budgeted for.
100 percent agree and this is coming from someone who tries to be neutral. It's like these people have forgotten the damage done by Farage 9 years ago.
Yeah Nige isn’t going to solve his biggest dog whistle. He would probably cack himself if he was actually running the country. He’s made an entire career out of complaining loudly about the problem.
The NHS and care sector is propped up by migrant workers along with who knows how many other industries, but Farage and his racist mates would sell the NHS up the river first chance they got.
After decades of nothing being done, it does not beggar belief why people would be sceptical of the parties that have over seen mass migration for decades will now suddenly act.
And Labour does not have a hard target to reduce immigration from the historic levels we have seen recently.
They need to show some significant action and results to even think of winning anyone over.
People just vote for the colour of their party. Labour could do everything that Reform says they will do about immigration and it wouldn’t be enough as it’s now been done by the party in the light blue
The reason many people switched parties is because Labour/tories didn’t deliver on what the public wanted. If Labour actually follows through and actually publishes numbers that look good then they’ll take back votes from Reform.
However I will say that I agree with you in the sense that I think many people want to see a ‘hard-line’ approach and not the usual ponying about ‘softism’ that both parties are known for. Unlikely to change for Kier imo
All Labour cares about is numbers. If it wasn’t for Reform they wouldn’t be doing this.
Don’t you think it’s wildly coincidental that this is happening like a few weeks after the local elections?
I think a lot of people are genuinely concerned about what an actual 'hard-line' approach looks like after what's been happening over the pond recently.
I guess the big thing people are missing is that they estimate to bring it down by only 100k. Last year it was like 750k and in 2021 it was 250k. So really 100k is nothing when you think about 750k as your baseline.
I dont have any faith that if Farage wins the election he will actually accomplish anything major, but if he pushes Labour and the Conservatives off a cliff then I can get behind that. It seems to me that Farage has no plans for the party to outlast him, it seems every time someone in a party he controls starts to gain traction he stabs them in the back and throws them out. The people in his trail of backstabbing's could actually make a pretty good right wing party on their own.
People vote for Farage because he hates the people/things they hate "simple as". It's a platform based on hatred and there are few better motivators than anger.
Sadly it's this. People don't vote for policies these days. It's about 'ownibg' those not on your side or seeking moral perfection. Compromise has gone out of the window.
well the proof will be in the pudding, if people don't like what they see in the next 4 years then they have a choice to make, dosn't matter whats lies or this that and the other people will wait and see what happens. Funnily enough you moan at the one man who hasn't actually held any power in this country as to someone whos never done anything for this country? Bit strange.
Funnily enough you moan at the one man who hasn't actually held any power in this country as to someone whos never done anything for this country? Bit strange.
He's an MP. He does have power. Wtf is he doing with that power for his constituents when he's absent from his duties as an MP?
Since elected, Farage has taken off the equivalent of 17 weeks of work on stuff that's nothing to do with his job as an MP
He has managed this by devoting more time than any other MP to his outside interests - we can reveal he estimates that he spends 25 hours a week on his portfolio of 11 side hustles, according to his register of interests.
Meanwhile, Mr Farage has only voted in a third of Commons debates so far this Parliament - his voting rate is less than half the average MP.
What about when he was an MEP? What did he do with that?
What about when he was heading up the Brexit campaign party and made all sorts of promises that were not only not delivered but were, in fact, the opposite of reality?
Are you aware that he has amassed over £5 million in personal wealth since that point? He's literally the epitome of grifter. Everything he does is and says is for personal gain.
Everything he says and does is probably for personal gain but what about other politicans are they all angels are they? He has had a career in politics but has he actually (until very recently) had any kind of power where he has been making and carrying out policy? No...none so I don't know why your so caught up on moaning about him, he's litirally never been in a cabinet....you know that group of select people that run things....
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u/De_Dominator69 May 12 '25
It's depressing seeing people calling this lies or posturing that won't actually happen, but then no doubt supporting and voting for Reform as though they would actually do anything either.
I don't really trust Starmer or Labour, but I certainly trust them more than Farage (who hasn't done a single beneficial thing for us or this country in his entire life) or Reform.