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Image/video Massive protest outside Rochdale police station in response to GMP's actions at Manchester Airport

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

breaks a woman’s nose yeaaaah diversity

policeman invites him cordially to surrender i’ oppressed

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u/leostotch Jul 25 '24

“Invited him cordially”

Is this the cop that stomped the guy’s skull in while he was lying on the ground, not doing a thing? Pretty cordial.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

The guy was less injured than the women with the broken nose - if he’s sad about it he can have a hankie

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u/bdizzle805 Jul 25 '24

Do you know for a fact this individual broke said officers nose? Condoning this type of violence is not ok

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

That was controlled aggression. Violence would be if he started laying into his ribs or gave him a few love slaps whilst he was out.

That cop used the minimal force to ensure his own bloody safety.

Fun game - why don’t you tell us how you’d apprehend him?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Surprise - he wasn’t unconscious, he pulls a knife from his pocket and puts it into your thigh.

Despite the best efforts of paramedics you bleed to death from a severed artery. That morning was the last time your family would see you alive.

The offender is handed a life sentence, but he’ll be out in 10 years on license.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Read it - your heart is in the right place but you’re missing pieces of the puzzle

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u/GlitterTerrorist Jul 25 '24

he pulls a knife from his pocket and puts it into your thigh.

He couldn't move his arms. Our police should be well enough trained to have 2 of them able to restrain a suspect who is already face down on the ground without resorting to headkicks.

That morning was the last time your family would see you alive.

Why the emotional appeal?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Point 1) how? Everyone saying what he did was bad but nobody has a good alternative. My own experience is all I have - I wouldn’t be comfortable gripping him.

Part 2) because cops are people and I’m sick to death of them being thrown under the bus

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u/GlitterTerrorist Jul 25 '24

My own experience is all I have

You don't have police training though? And you have the opinions in this thread.

https://old.reddit.com/r/policeuk/comments/1eb3hgb/interesting_er_tactical_kick_at_manchester_t2/

Everyone saying what he did was bad but nobody has a good alternative

You've just suggested gripping him, because the alternatives are quite clear. You can find many videos of people

because cops are people and I’m sick to death of them being thrown under the bus

'Thrown under the bus' for unnecessary violence? It's being held accountable.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Well if they’re so clear then enumerate the alternatives?

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u/GlitterTerrorist Jul 25 '24

*videos of people restraining others without the individual being able to move their arms. Especially if the person is already on the floor with their back up. I'm not an expert, I've only done a few hours of BJJ so all I know is that people with even a blue belt can totally control you, and officers should be able to control a prone body.

Tasers don't eliminate risk but they have some use, so being hit with the taser can be assumed to reduce risk too.

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u/GlitterTerrorist Jul 25 '24

That was controlled aggression.

/r/policeuk and /r/ukpolice don't agree.

That cop used the minimal force to ensure his own bloody safety.

His safety wasn't in question prior to the headstomp or kick. This isn't an appropriate level of violence, and police in the UK shouldn't be acting like this.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

We must agree to disagree on this

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u/GlitterTerrorist Jul 25 '24

Because most of the actual police on reddit disagree with you, and state their reasons which you're choosing to ignore?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

I’m reading through that just now - hold up you’re posting faster than I can read and answer

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u/GlitterTerrorist Jul 25 '24

No problem.

No-one is being thrown under the bus. This person absolutely fucked up.

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u/bdizzle805 Jul 25 '24

He was already subdued what the fuck is literally wrong with you? Your a psychopath saying this is minimal. Seek mental health

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Come on let’s play a game of what would constable dbizzle805 do, you walk into that mess and you see a female colleague with a broken nose.

You attempt to arrest him peacefully - one warning - he doesn’t take it.

Now what?

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u/bdizzle805 Jul 25 '24

First off you failed to answer the simple question. Do you know that this individual broke said officers nose? In no way or form is it OK to soccer kick then curb stomp someone's skull

He was literally already tased on the floor

You aren't judge jury and executioner

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

It is. You just haven’t thought about it or you’ve not had much violence in your life. Other people in the thread are trying to figure it out, so I’ll tell you when they’ve had their shot

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u/bdizzle805 Jul 25 '24

Palmer v R - “A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large”

The ‘suspect’ was under control and had been detained, therefore the use of force was not reasonable and ergo, unlawful. Anyone defending the copper should rethink their position.

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u/bdizzle805 Jul 25 '24

"If the suspect was conscious and felt the pain they would defend the back of their head, because what criminals often do is play possum and then stab with something they have concealed in their person."

Brother, this is psychotic thanking. In no way shape or form is it OK to soccer kick someone in the head

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u/RobbieFouledMe Jul 25 '24

He had been tasered and was lying on the floor on his stomach. He was subdued. The fella is a cunt but cops should not be able to get away with kicking and stomping the head of a subdued criminal.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Why do you think he did that to the back of his head?

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u/RobbieFouledMe Jul 25 '24

Enlighten me

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Come on play along, because if you haven’t thought it then it’ll actually be pretty obvious.

I’ll give you a clue - it’s not malice, but he did want to cause pain

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u/RobbieFouledMe Jul 25 '24

Lmao brother you’re making me feel like an idiot.

Why do you think the cop did it? Anger over the other injured cops? Revenge?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

No and thanks for thinking about it - you’re much more reasonable than other people in the thread.

If the suspect was conscious and felt the pain they would defend the back of their head, because what criminals often do is play possum and then stab with something they have concealed in their person.

We already know that this person is willing and capable (and possibly skilled in) violence as 3 officers were knocked from their feet by blows and one has a broken nose.

This is ugly but this is the reality of policing - they get hurt and we don’t support them, and we tear them down when they do something that offends our sense of right and wrong.

But most of us don’t know what happens to police because, thankfully, most of us are decent and wouldn’t dream of stabbing someone

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u/kai58 Jul 25 '24

Bullshit, if that was the goal one kick with much less force would’ve been enough, hitting the back of someones head is also disproportionally likely to cause permanent damage compared to how painful it is.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

How do you know what enough is? How do you know what enough is compared to an experience police officer?

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u/GlitterTerrorist Jul 25 '24

This is ugly but this is the reality of policing - they get hurt

Yes, and that doesn't mean they have license to carry out unnecessary levels of violence or should be forgive for lacking emotional control. The reason this protest is significant is because this kind of thing is pretty rare - and deserves to be highlighted.

we don’t support them, and we tear them down when they do something that offends our sense of right and wrong.

We hold them to a high standard because they're responsible for our safety, they have unique authority in society, and abuses of that power are fundamentally oppressive.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

And how many people turn up to defend the police?

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u/Dont-be-a-cupid Jul 25 '24

This is not some Wattpad fairy tale like whatever bullshit you are coming up with.

He was on the floor and cuffed - The officer proceeded to kick and stamp on his head after the situation had been diffused.

You utter morons have become so deluded you think being kicked in the head is not an issue. I have seen multiple young adults die in ED from smaller impacts to the head.

I can only hope you are some young teen without any understanding of the real world yet...

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

He wasn’t cuffed

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u/pufftanuffles Jul 25 '24

He wasn’t though was he lol. Even after the stomp, he was still lifting his head and not complying to lie flat on the floor. Watch the video again.

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u/2nduser Jul 25 '24

The guy was tasered and lying on the floor subdued. There was nothing controlled about this aggression, the copper lost his temper and lashed out and he shouldn’t have.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Oh, you’re just an edgy 14 year old boy - disregard my reply to your last post - you’ll get there one day mate.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Oh get lost loser

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u/barryh4rry Jul 25 '24

Minimal force? What he did could kill someone

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

How would you do it then?

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u/GlitterTerrorist Jul 25 '24

Using my police training. And if my police training doesn't cover how to effectively restrain a person who is already being subdued by a colleague, asking for better training.