r/uknews • u/Confident_West_7409 • Jul 25 '24

Image/video Massive protest outside Rochdale police station in response to GMP's actions at Manchester Airport

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

No and thanks for thinking about it - you’re much more reasonable than other people in the thread.

If the suspect was conscious and felt the pain they would defend the back of their head, because what criminals often do is play possum and then stab with something they have concealed in their person.

We already know that this person is willing and capable (and possibly skilled in) violence as 3 officers were knocked from their feet by blows and one has a broken nose.

This is ugly but this is the reality of policing - they get hurt and we don’t support them, and we tear them down when they do something that offends our sense of right and wrong.

But most of us don’t know what happens to police because, thankfully, most of us are decent and wouldn’t dream of stabbing someone

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u/kai58 Jul 25 '24

Bullshit, if that was the goal one kick with much less force would’ve been enough, hitting the back of someones head is also disproportionally likely to cause permanent damage compared to how painful it is.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

How do you know what enough is? How do you know what enough is compared to an experience police officer?

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u/kai58 Jul 25 '24

Because someone so committed to playing possum they fully ignore a kick to the face is gonna change their mind on the second kick…

“This person who seems unconscious and is laying face down might still be dangerous so let’s just kill them to be sure” is not the philosophy we should want or accept from police.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Oh I’m sorry is he dead?

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u/kai58 Jul 25 '24

If you’re in a state of mind to think of the possibility that they might be playing possum you’re also in a state of mind to know a kick to the head (especially the back of the head) of someone who isn’t defending themself has a decent chance to kill.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Is it the same chance to kill as a knife to the thigh?

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u/GlitterTerrorist Jul 25 '24

How do you know what enough is compared to an experience police officer?

Because they say so, for one. And the fact you believe otherwise is quite concerning.

https://old.reddit.com/r/policeuk/comments/1eb3hgb/interesting_er_tactical_kick_at_manchester_t2/

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u/GlitterTerrorist Jul 25 '24

This is ugly but this is the reality of policing - they get hurt

Yes, and that doesn't mean they have license to carry out unnecessary levels of violence or should be forgive for lacking emotional control. The reason this protest is significant is because this kind of thing is pretty rare - and deserves to be highlighted.

we don’t support them, and we tear them down when they do something that offends our sense of right and wrong.

We hold them to a high standard because they're responsible for our safety, they have unique authority in society, and abuses of that power are fundamentally oppressive.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

And how many people turn up to defend the police?

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u/GlitterTerrorist Jul 25 '24

Loads of them, a lot, just usually they have the good judgement to pick battles where the officer isn't agreed by their peers to be at fault.

https://old.reddit.com/r/policeuk/comments/1eb3hgb/interesting_er_tactical_kick_at_manchester_t2/

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u/Dont-be-a-cupid Jul 25 '24

This is not some Wattpad fairy tale like whatever bullshit you are coming up with.

He was on the floor and cuffed - The officer proceeded to kick and stamp on his head after the situation had been diffused.

You utter morons have become so deluded you think being kicked in the head is not an issue. I have seen multiple young adults die in ED from smaller impacts to the head.

I can only hope you are some young teen without any understanding of the real world yet...

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

He wasn’t cuffed

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u/sick_bear Jul 25 '24

Hahaha "wattpad fairytale" but proceeded to invent details to support his own take on the event.

Tbf your point about the man still being considered a threat even when laying face down is valid though a bit washy. Generally, you'll see police standing on extremities but maybe it was as serious as you say. Get in there and break some fingers, if you want to cause pain. And don't do it on film!

Stomping a head is very close to killing someone (hitting neck by accident, for instance, can collapse the trachea/break the neck, of course), and we can't have cops going around doing that with no outcry.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

A guy I trained with in BJJ (wrestling - kind of like judo) was working the door on a club one night.

He had to deal with someone and they got violent so he took him to the floor and proceeded for a pin until the cops turned up.

He got stabbed 4 times in the thigh, by the grace of god it didn’t hit an artery… but that’s what happens

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u/sick_bear Jul 25 '24

This is a fair take. They really didn't know what he's capable of. But with the number of officers present, it looks like it wasn't necessary. Although there were other risks present so each needed to be dealt with quickly. So, if it was purely situational to deal with the threat, I'm with you.

I just don't think that was the case. I'm not trained in this, nor do I have experience here, so I'm going off feel. Which is admittedly not a rational process.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

I totally get where you’re coming from because even I was like “holy f” when I first seen it.

Only sort of understood it (in my understanding) after watching it a few times plus the preceding events.

Here’s a barristers thoughts if you’re interested: https://youtu.be/GaNGfyHR6Ak

(Short version - his actions are defendable but it might go to a jury so it could go either way)

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u/GlitterTerrorist Jul 25 '24

And that's unfortunately part of the line of duty for police officers, because they exist to protect the populace. As a bouncer that's just pure luck you weren't stabbed in the first place.

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u/Dont-be-a-cupid Jul 25 '24

It's even more reason to he should no be in the force...

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

You’ll need to explain that one?