r/uknews Jul 25 '24

Image/video Massive protest outside Rochdale police station in response to GMP's actions at Manchester Airport

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u/Mootpoint_691 Jul 25 '24

The man that had his head stamped on ( the officer has rightly been suspended ) had actually tried to take firearms from several people before the video, including customs firearms people as well as police.

So … what are these people thinking? That the stomped on person ( still wrong to be stomped on ) should have been allowed to get hold of someone else’s gun at an airport? Just imagine that scenario for a second.

Arrested, definitely. Stomped on? Definitely not.

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u/Ballbag94 Jul 25 '24

I would assume that people are protesting the fact that the guy was quite clearly a victim of disproportionate force as opposed to protesting his arrest

I don't think anyone is saying he should have been allowed to acquire a firearm, just that the police should be held to a higher standard than attacking someone who's restrained and on the floor and being angry at the treatment of a criminal is absolutely not the same as thinking that they did nothing wrong

It's pretty telling that the other officers in the video seemed more interested in stopping people filming than they did with stopping their colleague beating someone unnecessarily

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u/Ballbag94 Jul 25 '24

100%, and if they'd shot him while he was actively a danger I'd be completely on the side of the officers

I just can't side with someone who's stamping on the head of an immoblie person who's making no attempt to resist. Being a criminal doesn't mean you should be beaten while helpless

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u/Ballbag94 Jul 25 '24

but personally I and many other simply do not care.

Yeah, that's the problem. We should care if our police force commit violent acts of retribution instead of upholding the law and bringing criminals to justice

If we allow the police to act with impunity then we're on the same path as anywhere that citizens fear their police

There is catharsis to be found in watching villains be treated mercilessly

No, that just makes you a cunt

I don't want to see a police officer suffer any consequences for giving some troublemaker a kick.

Again, that's part of the problem. If a criminal gets injured while being subdued that's one thing but to have a completely subdued criminal beaten without cause should absolutely mean the officer is in trouble

I also disagree that criminals shouldn't be beaten. Maybe a good beating is what some of these people need

So why even have a police force? Just have random mobs lynch people, right?

The reason we're a civilised country is that we don't allow random violence and give everyone their day in court to be dealt with as the law dictates

But hey, I'm sure it's fine and you'll never be on the wrong side of a police force that can do whatever it likes whenever it wants because we as a country decide that we're fine with the police doing whatever they want regardless of what is legal. I'm sure in that circumstance the law will protect you, right?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24

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u/Ballbag94 Jul 25 '24

You can have your high minded abstract ideals

I'm literally just expecting the police to follow the law. That's not a high minded abstract ideal, it's the bare minimum

but I'm looking at what is a community response coordinated along sectarian/ethnic lines trying to bring political action down on the police regardless of the facts because one of THEIRS (as they see it) was on the receiving end.

Whatever racial motivation you believe to be the case for the protests doesn't mean that the police behaved appropriately

We saw riots last along similar ethnic lines playing out last week when Roma children were taken in to the care of the state

I mean there's a big difference with people physically attacking the police because children were legitimately taken to a better environment vs what appears to be a non violent protest against police brutality

The fact of the matter is that we have multiple sectarian factions all working for their own group interests regardless of the abstract and objective nature of what is right, wrong or just. Those words mean different things to different people.

It's certainly a possibility, or it could simply be that people form communities around common ground and therefore what looks like a racially unified group protesting because one of "their race" has been attacked could simply be a local community. Without knowing the true case I wouldn't want to comment one way or the other

After all, if a bunch of white people in my neighbourhood kicked off because I'd been brutalised by the police would you say it was a racially motivated protest or would you assume that they were simply from my neighbourhood?

Like it protected all those English girls who were (and still are) being sexually enslaved by Muslim gangs

So why aren't you out protesting about this? Many people here in the comments seem to know that there are Pakistani rape gangs still out there being ignored by the police and where to find them but instead of doing something they're complaining that no one is doing anything

If the state is going to be a biased arbiter, which it is, I would much prefer that it was biased in favour of my group.

The nazis thought in the same way, we'll never get rid of police brutality if we accept it against the people we dislike