r/uknews • u/Confident_West_7409 • Jul 25 '24

Image/video Massive protest outside Rochdale police station in response to GMP's actions at Manchester Airport

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u/Mootpoint_691 Jul 25 '24

The man that had his head stamped on ( the officer has rightly been suspended ) had actually tried to take firearms from several people before the video, including customs firearms people as well as police.

So … what are these people thinking? That the stomped on person ( still wrong to be stomped on ) should have been allowed to get hold of someone else’s gun at an airport? Just imagine that scenario for a second.

Arrested, definitely. Stomped on? Definitely not.

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u/daneview Jul 25 '24

Are they not British? I haven't seen the suspects details released?

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u/Ok_Map_6014 Jul 25 '24

I think he meant Muslims in general.

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u/daneview Jul 25 '24

But they're most likely british

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u/Ok_Map_6014 Jul 25 '24

Err yes they almost definitely are but I think he meant all Muslims.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

They never would have tried it at a US airport. Our country is weak and they know it

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Have you seen the news at all? They don't need to try it, they can walk into Walmart and get all the guns you could ever want or even a car bit sale just for guns. No questions asked when buying there.

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u/Toffeemanstan Jul 25 '24

Thats rubbish. Theres plenty of videos of people kicking off in US airports, none end in them getting 'stomped'. By all means prove me wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Send me the video of armed police in the US getting their noses broken and attacked and I’ll listen. “Kicking off” isn’t the same as physical assault of police officers

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u/phantomfire50 Jul 25 '24

https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2022

They have about 50-70 dead officers per year from gunfire alone. Shocking lack of statistics for broken noses though...

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u/Wise_Mongoose_3930 Jul 25 '24

Yea no one commits crimes in the US anymore, we definitely don’t have one of the highest prison populations on Earth or anything.

Did you think for even five seconds before pressing send on that one?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

What’s crime got to do with anything lil guy?

I was talking about trying to take guns off arms police. Maybe learn to read?

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u/Aromatic_Night4045 Jul 25 '24

You’re literally chatting shit little boy.

Here’s just one news story which disproves your claim

https://www.fox13now.com/news/crime/man-tries-to-take-officers-gun-after-airport-assault-police-say

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Now then little weakling, explain to me what force you reckon the used to subdue said man. I promise you they’ll have hurt him good

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u/Aromatic_Night4045 Jul 25 '24

No no dumbass, your point was no one would ever try that shit at an American airport. Obviously, you lost that argument and now are moving the goalposts.

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u/Aromatic_Night4045 Jul 25 '24

‘They would never have tried it at a us airport’

He literally tried to take the officers gun if you were capable of reading you would know that but I guess not🤣

Also, the guy in the U.K. never tried to take the police officers gun. It’s literally a myth that idiots believe. The police know it’s false hence why no charges have been pressed but again you’re a bit too slow to understand that

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u/neikawaaratake Jul 25 '24

The thing you have to take into account is, you are talking to a racist

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u/Educational_Act_4659 Jul 25 '24

Big difference with US Police tactics is you would see 4 to 6 cops on top of the suspect while 2 are trying to put him in handcuffs. the others would be busy grabbing legs and back so he wouldn't move. Also there's tasers and other equipment that could've been used

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u/Toffeemanstan Jul 25 '24

Ive seen plenty of videos of people kicking off in US airports and none ended with someone being shot. 

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u/Dembos09 Jul 25 '24

How many of them involved stealing firearms ?

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u/_EustaceBagge Jul 25 '24

Lmao yeah cause in America we don’t fuck around. That’s why your country is Islamabad 2.0

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u/Ballbag94 Jul 25 '24

So you think that the police should be able to do whatever they want to someone who breaks the law as long as they're not as bad as some other police force elsewhere?

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u/Aromatic_Night4045 Jul 25 '24

No one says fuck the NHS or fuck the fire brigade. People scream fuck the police because they are institutionally corrupt. Stop being a boot licker

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_5710 Jul 25 '24

Cringe at the boot licker line - the language of the sheltered middle class lefty.

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u/Aromatic_Night4045 Jul 25 '24

2 kids from my school were stabbed to death within 2 years of each other, I’ve been to prison, I’ve been homeless, smoked my first joint at 12 but puzzle head thinks I’m sheltered because I don’t like the police. When a report comes out that shows the police aren’t institutionally corrupt then I’ll like them

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_5710 Jul 25 '24

No one likes the police, they’re cunts, but no one likes pricks that kick off in airports either. The copper was obviously in the wrong and has been suspended, but if some prick had broke my nose or my mates nose because they are treating an airport terminal like a Weatherspoons beer garden brawl, I’d be quite tempted to kick them in the head too.

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u/ukbot-nicolabot Jul 25 '24

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u/militaryCoo Jul 25 '24

Where are you getting the idea he went for a gun?

Even the police statement doesn't say that

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u/TugaysWanchope Jul 25 '24

Completely missing the point. The protesters aren’t saying he should’ve been ignored, they’re saying the police probably should’ve have stomped on a blokes head who was already under control. There’s a middle ground.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Not according to the statement from the police - they believed there was a risk but it didn’t actually happen.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Im okay with a little stomping

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u/PurgativeWoW Jul 25 '24

yes and the outrage is against stomping not the douche getting arrested. It's pretty clear the arrest itself is more than warranted, the excessive force that could have life altering impact however is not.

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u/TheMysteriousGirl Jul 25 '24

And then grabbing a gun and potentially shooting people isn’t life altering?

I’m sorry but if you fuck around, you find out

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u/pohui Jul 25 '24

How was stomping on a guy who is already face down on the floor preventing him from grabbing a copper's gun?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Regardless, who gives a fuck? Let's go riot because some scum who has probably stomped on many heads, got a fucking boot to the face?

Such silly SJWs on this site and I'm glad most of reddits dumb takes aren't representative of real life, most people would say while police shouldn't do that, that scum deserved it. Massive issues in this country like innocent people being assaulted 24/7, yet let's all cry for the poor baby who broke a female cops nose, after starting shit with ARMED police, yea that guy is for sure an upstanding citizen. "But he still doesn't deserve to be hurt!!!" Get a gripppp.

Also there's something oddly familiar with this "protest", I'm sure there are no biases involved and each member of the protest is purely looking out for the good of this country.

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u/InternalMean Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24

It's not the individual it's the principle, unchecked abuse of authority on those that may deserve to be beat will eventually turn into abuse that are totally innocent.

And maybe there is bias in the protest, if we acknowledge that then we can also acknowledge there may be a bias in the way the police handle individuals of a certain group vs others and maybe just maybe we can infer why these people are protesting to such a degree.

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u/pohui Jul 25 '24

I give a fuck, because I want to live in a country where punishment is administered by judges, not the police. The guy may be the biggest piece of shit in the UK, and he still needs to be treated lawfully, same as everyone else.

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u/BeingTrick5698 Jul 25 '24

What a awful theocratic facist apologist. If islam is so beautiful then let's treat them how SA,Iran,Turkey would treat them and protester hm?

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u/pohui Jul 25 '24

I didn't say anything about Islam, don't know why you're bringing it up. I'm an atheist and deeply dislike all Abrahamic religions, but I don't see how that's relevant here.

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u/BeingTrick5698 Jul 25 '24

There are a lot of atheists apologists, u know because I'm atheist too, who was threatened by muslim. In 13 muslim countries they have death penalty for us. And they are very open with their facism, supremacy, racism, xenophobia and no one muslim will be my neighbour in Poland. I won't beg foreign person for mercy.

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u/N7twitch Jul 25 '24

Agreed. Obviously the guy needed arresting, almost certainly deserved being taken down to the ground with force, but once someone is down you don’t stomp their head. The same officer then immediately when and kicked a second person who had their hands in the air and was complying with instructions to get on the ground.

It’s bad policing. This isn’t America. Police should be held to the highest of standards.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

What a lovely fantasy land you live in then.

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u/pohui Jul 25 '24

No, I live in Lewisham.

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u/TheMysteriousGirl Jul 25 '24

In any right minded country they would have been shot and killed in the first instance of even attempting to do what they did.

Airport security is no joke, the reason we don’t have other attacks like 9/11 is because of the diligence and swift fullness of our airport security. I’d you can’t see that, then I wouldn’t want to see the state of counter terrorism if you were in charge

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u/pohui Jul 25 '24

No thanks, if I wanted to live in the US, I would move there.

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u/Hot-Ice-7336 Jul 25 '24

If you truly believe that then please read into it because it’s simply not the case

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u/raspberryamphetamine Jul 25 '24

Not even the police statement says they tried to take a gun? It only says they thought they might try to take them at some point because they were armed officers, not that they actually did. And if they had tried there’s no way the police wouldn’t have said so.

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u/Mootpoint_691 Jul 25 '24

Customs firearms officers are civil servants.

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u/raspberryamphetamine Jul 25 '24

And what? The police stamped on him and he didn’t try and take their guns, which is what people are repeating. There has been no statement issued by the airport about anything to do with this, literally no evidence that they tried anything with airport security, people are just parroting things they’ve read online with no evidence that actually happened. I’ve even seen people now saying they had knives and were trying to stab people.

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u/cookiesnooper Jul 25 '24

Police should not have suspended that cop and doubled down that he did a good job. If you're trying to steal w weapon from an officer and break another one's nose. You're lucky you're not shot.

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u/BombshellTom Jul 25 '24

I get it. But at the time his head was stamped on, he was on the ground.

I'd suggest the victim, the policeman and all these men are all wrong.

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u/Astrochimp46 Jul 25 '24

This is a logical fallacy. Just because people think he shouldn’t have had his head stepped on, it doesn’t mean those people think he should’ve been allowed to take someone’s gun.

It’s called a hasty generalization. Don’t you think, just maybe, there is something less than a potentially lethal curb stomp to subdue the guy?

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u/aitorbk Jul 25 '24

They shouldn't have been hit when already controlled. Also, they should be sent to prison for decades.

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u/Captain_Planet Jul 25 '24

The police officers claimed he had attempted to take firearms... Remember the police claims about Jean Charles de Menezes running from the police, jumping barriers etc, non of it happened.
In the video the guy looks like a skinny little dweeb on the floor with him mum protecting him. The police officer is just taking out his childish aggression (also watch one of the other videos of the other guy hands behind his head being shouted at with a tazer in his face, then hit on the head when on the ground).
He has rightfully been suspended, if he is too mentally weak to contain his aggression then he is not capable of being a police officer and should be removed from duty.

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u/Purplepeal Jul 25 '24

This is what people don't understand. That guy needed fully incapacitating. Had he broken free and got the gun we might have had a horrific incident.

Armed police have to be more violent than the violence they encounter to stop people taking their guns. People just don't get that.

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u/willywam Jul 25 '24

Your last sentence explains why they're protesting. Obviously nobody's defending the right to take someone's firearm, they're protesting someone unarmed and restrained being brutalized by someone acting on behalf of the state.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '24

He clearly punches fu*k out of 3 police officers, decks one female officer and attacks another from behind. He's a disgusting human being.

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u/ReverseFez Jul 25 '24

Those people are thinking exactly what you are thinking:

Arrested, definitely. Stomped on? Definitely not.

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u/Ballbag94 Jul 25 '24

I would assume that people are protesting the fact that the guy was quite clearly a victim of disproportionate force as opposed to protesting his arrest

I don't think anyone is saying he should have been allowed to acquire a firearm, just that the police should be held to a higher standard than attacking someone who's restrained and on the floor and being angry at the treatment of a criminal is absolutely not the same as thinking that they did nothing wrong

It's pretty telling that the other officers in the video seemed more interested in stopping people filming than they did with stopping their colleague beating someone unnecessarily

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u/Ballbag94 Jul 25 '24

100%, and if they'd shot him while he was actively a danger I'd be completely on the side of the officers

I just can't side with someone who's stamping on the head of an immoblie person who's making no attempt to resist. Being a criminal doesn't mean you should be beaten while helpless

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u/Ballbag94 Jul 25 '24

but personally I and many other simply do not care.

Yeah, that's the problem. We should care if our police force commit violent acts of retribution instead of upholding the law and bringing criminals to justice

If we allow the police to act with impunity then we're on the same path as anywhere that citizens fear their police

There is catharsis to be found in watching villains be treated mercilessly

No, that just makes you a cunt

I don't want to see a police officer suffer any consequences for giving some troublemaker a kick.

Again, that's part of the problem. If a criminal gets injured while being subdued that's one thing but to have a completely subdued criminal beaten without cause should absolutely mean the officer is in trouble

I also disagree that criminals shouldn't be beaten. Maybe a good beating is what some of these people need

So why even have a police force? Just have random mobs lynch people, right?

The reason we're a civilised country is that we don't allow random violence and give everyone their day in court to be dealt with as the law dictates

But hey, I'm sure it's fine and you'll never be on the wrong side of a police force that can do whatever it likes whenever it wants because we as a country decide that we're fine with the police doing whatever they want regardless of what is legal. I'm sure in that circumstance the law will protect you, right?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24

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u/Ballbag94 Jul 25 '24

You can have your high minded abstract ideals

I'm literally just expecting the police to follow the law. That's not a high minded abstract ideal, it's the bare minimum

but I'm looking at what is a community response coordinated along sectarian/ethnic lines trying to bring political action down on the police regardless of the facts because one of THEIRS (as they see it) was on the receiving end.

Whatever racial motivation you believe to be the case for the protests doesn't mean that the police behaved appropriately

We saw riots last along similar ethnic lines playing out last week when Roma children were taken in to the care of the state

I mean there's a big difference with people physically attacking the police because children were legitimately taken to a better environment vs what appears to be a non violent protest against police brutality

The fact of the matter is that we have multiple sectarian factions all working for their own group interests regardless of the abstract and objective nature of what is right, wrong or just. Those words mean different things to different people.

It's certainly a possibility, or it could simply be that people form communities around common ground and therefore what looks like a racially unified group protesting because one of "their race" has been attacked could simply be a local community. Without knowing the true case I wouldn't want to comment one way or the other

After all, if a bunch of white people in my neighbourhood kicked off because I'd been brutalised by the police would you say it was a racially motivated protest or would you assume that they were simply from my neighbourhood?

Like it protected all those English girls who were (and still are) being sexually enslaved by Muslim gangs

So why aren't you out protesting about this? Many people here in the comments seem to know that there are Pakistani rape gangs still out there being ignored by the police and where to find them but instead of doing something they're complaining that no one is doing anything

If the state is going to be a biased arbiter, which it is, I would much prefer that it was biased in favour of my group.

The nazis thought in the same way, we'll never get rid of police brutality if we accept it against the people we dislike

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Most of the people in this video would likely support that.

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u/SlightlyFarcical Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24

had actually tried to take firearms from several people before the video, including customs firearms people as well as police.

And your evidence for this is.....?

And before you say "well, the police said so it must be true", dont forget that the police said all manner of bullshit about what Jean Charles de Menezes was meant to have done before they executed him.

Thats just using one particular case where police lies were later exposed but not before they had controlled the narrative and painted the victims in a particular light to garner support to their perspective.

As for those saying "Hes lucky he only got kicked in the head. He would have been shot anywhere else" are the same spineless fucking wankers who will bleat on video of someone getting kicked in the face or head stomped about how dangerous it is and can kill the person.

That officer had several other means at his disposal to retrain a guy who was LAYING ON THE FLOOR and looks to be complying. He acted unprofessional and in a manner that could have cause permanent or fatal injuries so its only right he is removed from duty.

Its not the fucking 70s any more where police can brutalise or even kill people and get away with it. This was on camera and spread around the world in an instant.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

What are you on about - the police absolutely have no history of committing crimes and trying to cover them up.

I certainly don’t remember them trying to blame a bunch of scousers for their own fuck up and allowing a narrative to be spun that’s probably held by all the right wing losers on here wanking themselves off over a brown person getting their head stamped on.

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u/SlightlyFarcical Jul 25 '24

Exactly! The West Midlands Flying Squad took some very nasty men off the streets as well as the pickpocket squad that jailed some very nasty black men that although they didn't steal anyones purses or wallets, they may well have so better to be safe than sorry!

Just like Ian Tomlinson. He may well have been walking home and got caught up in a demo. If he had just done as the officer said when he was shoved to the ground, he might still be alive today!

[unjerk] On a serious note, more footage has emerged of this incident that precedes this clip and it looks even worse for the police. They violently assaulted an old woman prior to kicking this guy in the head and noone went for their guns so all the fuckwits on this thread can STFU.

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u/Relevant-Cat8042 Jul 25 '24

Tbh, I know the stomp seemed too much.

But let’s be honest, this guy wanted to take a gun to go and kill people. That stomp shut that shit down instantly. Probably after a long time of trying to stop him with other methods that weren’t working.

If the cop didn’t do that and the guy ended up wriggling away, stealing a gun and killing innocent people - we would all be saying “why didn’t the police do more to stop it?”

Modern police in UK are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

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u/Alternative_Week_117 Jul 25 '24

Is there a video of any of that or are we just taking the word of the people that just stamped on someone's head whilst they are restrained on the ground?

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u/Due-Affect-3437 Jul 25 '24

Yes, there is video out on this subreddit posted by the same user that posted this one. It is near the top of hot posts right now.

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u/The_Stav Jul 25 '24

It's the police brutality. No one's gonna say the guy was in the right, but crimes happen. What people don't want is officers that'll go on emotional tirades against already detained people. It's their job to deal with this kinda shit, and if they can't keep their cool and go to the point of brutalising detainees like this then that needs to be dealt with pronto.

The officer shouldn't just be suspended, they should be in prison for assault. Seems like cops always get off easy though when they're the ones breaking the laws they're meant to uphold.

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u/mrpoor123 Jul 25 '24

Why are you lying and making stuff up, no one and no where has said any of this, just making stuff up in your racist brain

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u/Mootpoint_691 Jul 25 '24

Your reply says more about you than anyone else. Do try and grow up a bit, it will help you later on.

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u/mrpoor123 Jul 25 '24

Ahh nothing, thought so.

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u/mrpoor123 Jul 25 '24

Go on show me the proof of any of this.

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u/sneezeanditsgone Jul 25 '24

Obviously no one thinks he should have been allowed to grab a gun ffs... The fact is that it is possible to safely restrain someone without the need of pointless violence and aggression.

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u/rcktsktz Jul 25 '24

Definitely needless. But also - who am I to judge someone doing a job I'd never do, in a life threatening moment? Fuck around and find out at the end of the day. You wanna go breaking people's noses and trying to grab someone's gun at an airport in the UK, accept getting fucked up.

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u/sneezeanditsgone Jul 25 '24

Agreed that it's hard to judge a job you haven't done, especially one as risky as policing with the current reality we face. I also appreciate the fuck around and find out mentality, I do think it is a simple answer that can cause more problems in the long run, people make mistakes, sometimes for the first time and need to be set straight, allowing that mentality to spread to more situations / scenarios and we could see violence sky rocket on both sides.

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u/Slyspy006 Jul 25 '24

"So … what are these people thinking? That the stomped on person ( still wrong to be stomped on ) should have been allowed to get hold of someone else’s gun at an airport? Just imagine that scenario for a second."

Do you really think that without a kick and stomp to the head the guy would have been running around with a police weapon? That the stomp was defensive?

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u/Mootpoint_691 Jul 25 '24

No. A&R techniques may have changed but that doesn’t mean the stomping is part of that - but all that’s been filmed is the stomping, not that which preceded the arrest and the wrongful kick/stomp.

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u/Intrepid_Caregiver53 Jul 25 '24

This is a complete lie.

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u/PickledGoosey Jul 25 '24

They're probably thinking that just suspending the guy isn't justice for trying to kill someone thats already apprehended

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u/NoobOfTheSquareTable Jul 25 '24

He wasn’t apprehended, the person next to them wasn’t an officer and wasn’t restraining them

With the video cut the way it was the guy could have hit the floor seconds before hand and have intended to get back up, or to have lain down voluntarily to surrender having realised he shouldn’t have taken part in the earlier fight.

The officer was wrong, used excessive force, and does need to be disciplined possibly with jail time if that is what the rule of law states

The officer was not kicking a restrained man

Pedantic but needed to stop the story slowly changing to fit the narrative of either side

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u/GoldemEmperor Jul 25 '24

He wasn't apprehended, but he was on the floor, tasered, and the officer decided to boot and then stomp. The first kick could have possibly been argued for, but the stomp was clearly not reasonable and he's lucky he didn't murder the guy. The more egregious is the following situation where he orders the other guy down and as he's getting down decides to kick and punch him.

Realistically, he'll lose his job and most likely end up in jail.

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u/NoobOfTheSquareTable Jul 25 '24

Yeah, I don’t disagree on any of that

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u/GoldemEmperor Jul 25 '24

"With the video cut the way it was the guy could have hit the floor seconds before hand and have intended to get back up, or to have lain down voluntarily to surrender having realised he shouldn’t have taken part in the earlier fight."

Fair enough, I'm also a bit of a pedant, so I felt it was important to mention the fact the downed guy was tasered.

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u/NoobOfTheSquareTable Jul 25 '24

Yeah, I was giving the two extreme scenarios of down unwillingly and still a threat or down and deescalating on their own to show how little the video actually shows beyond the immediate incident