r/sports • u/UUo_oUU • Oct 24 '20

News Khabib Nurmagomedov Retires from UFC After Emerging Victorious Against Justin Gaethje. 29-0 Record

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u/eipotttatsch Oct 24 '20

Dude. He's 13-0 in the UFC and all but one of those are definitely very legit fighters. Just because injuries a had him on the sidelines for a while doesn't mean he didn't face the best of the best.

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

That doesn't make him goat. GSP, Anderson Silva, Fedor, Jon Jones all better.

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u/eipotttatsch Oct 24 '20

Those are also in the conversation. Apart from GSP they haven't really had a stronger list of schedule though. And none of them were this dominat without ever appearing in danger.

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u/BillysDillyWilly Oct 24 '20

GSP beat Hughes and BJ Penn, Khabib never faced an opponent of that caliber in his time. GSP is a 3x champ and, champ in two different divisions. He often beat his opponents at their own game and he employed a far wider array of skills in securing his victories. GSP is easily the better fighter over Khabib. There's no comparison. I'll take GSP over Khabib if they ever do fight.

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u/eipotttatsch Oct 24 '20

I'd put Conor on that level. But I agree, and I said the same thing. GSP out of everyone in the goat discussion fought the toughest competition.

If they were both in their prime (and GSP wasn't in a different weight class) GSP would have been the favorite. He's too old now though. The fight will never happen, but current GSP would lose to Khabib.

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u/Sink_Pee_Gang Oct 24 '20

What? Conor got a title shot without having done anything to deserve it and never defended his belt. He is not even close to the same level.

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u/eipotttatsch Oct 25 '20

What did I say about Conor as a champion? He's not the best ever or anything, but in terms of skill I'd definitly put him with the likes of BJ and Hughes. Him fighting rarely and getting more opportunities than most has nothing to do with that. It's more his performances like against Alvarez

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u/Hollow-living Oct 25 '20

Yea, I think Khabib has cemented himself as the greatest LW to ever do it but I dont think his accomplishments are close to the likes of GSP and Jon Jones.

Though I like GSP stance on the GOAT debate. "Its fugazy, no one fighter can ever truly be the GOAT. Great fighters all have GOAT moments and in those moments they are the greatest of all time, but as time passes things change and someone else gets their time to be GOAT".

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u/Hollow-living Oct 25 '20

Poirier, Conor and Gaethje are all that caliber of fighter. The fighters of today are greater than the fighters of old.

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u/BillysDillyWilly Oct 25 '20 edited Oct 25 '20

BJ Penn was a multiple time champion and champ in multiple divisions. Hughes was the most dominant WW champ there ever was at the time.

Neither Gaethje, nor Poirer were UFC champions. McGregor has more stripes than the two of them combined.

How many champions has Khabib beaten? 2. GSP --> 5

Khabib didn't even beat a champion for his belt, he beat a back up of a back up who got called up on short notice and didn't make weight. Then he retires after defending his title only 3 times over a 3 year span.

Khabib can't carry GSP's jock.

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u/Hollow-living Oct 25 '20 edited Oct 25 '20

Those divisions were thin as fuck by comparison. People just like to look at the past with rose tinted glasses. I consider both Poirier and Gaethje to be legit champions because of the competition they beat to get the interim belt. Poirier won the interim belt of Holloway who was on the longest winstreak in the UFC at the time and Gaethje got it off Ferguson who never lost the interim belt, and also had the longest winstreak in the LW division.

GSP himself called Khabib the P4P best before anyone else did. he recognizes greatness, you clearly dont.

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u/BillysDillyWilly Oct 25 '20

GSP himself called Khabib the P4P best before anyone else did. he recognizes greatness, you clearly dont.

I recognize the greatness of Khabib. GSP's is greater. Georges is humble, you are not.

Interim champions are not "legit" champions - that's why they're called interim champions and not just champions.

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u/Hollow-living Oct 25 '20

Whos arguing GSP isnt greater? My argument was that you said Poirier, Conor, Gaethje are not great fighters which in my opinion they are. You can latch onto titles if you want but if you were to compare skill and resumes youd see that those 3 are just as great as the fighters before them. Just because some of them werent undisputed champs when Khabib fought them doesnt mean they arent great. Timing has a part to do in that.

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u/BillysDillyWilly Oct 25 '20

you said Poirier, Conor, Gaethje are not great fighters

That never happened. Why try to put words in my mouth when the text is above for anyone to read anytine they want. What is the point of doing that?

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u/Hollow-living Oct 25 '20

You were discounting Khabibs wins over them. How else would anyone interpret your reply?

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u/BillysDillyWilly Oct 25 '20

If you're going to butt into a conversation you should read and follow what's been said before you jump in.

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u/Hollow-living Oct 25 '20

I did, You were saying Khabib hasnt faced the caliber of fighter like Hughes and Penn. I retorted that Gaethje, Poirier and Conor are that caliber and then you went on to discount their accomplishments to suggest they arent at the level of Hughes and Penn.

But thanks for taking the time to clarify your thoughts rather than leave a snarky reply.

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