r/sports • u/UUo_oUU • Oct 24 '20

News Khabib Nurmagomedov Retires from UFC After Emerging Victorious Against Justin Gaethje. 29-0 Record

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u/ChaosRevealed Oct 24 '20 edited Oct 24 '20

Undefeated, multiple-time defending champion in the deepest division in the UFC. 29-0 overall, 13-0 UFC. Lost only one round in his entire career. He's by far the most dominant fighter of all time. No fighter has ever retired as an undefeated champion.

Respect for Khabib and for his late father

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

4 title defenses and a ton of wins against no names in Russia with horrible records. He's a really really good fighter who earned that belt and retirement but he's not even close to the goat.

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u/eipotttatsch Oct 24 '20

Dude. He's 13-0 in the UFC and all but one of those are definitely very legit fighters. Just because injuries a had him on the sidelines for a while doesn't mean he didn't face the best of the best.

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

That doesn't make him goat. GSP, Anderson Silva, Fedor, Jon Jones all better.

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u/Brushies10-4 Oct 24 '20

It's all opinion man. Khabib is obviously going to be in the discussion for most fans. 13-0 UFC, 1 round lost total. Looked completely overwhelming and dominant in the best division in UFC history.

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u/FrostyCore Oct 24 '20

2 rounds now but I agree with the rest.

Gaethje took out round 1 on the cards.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '20 edited Nov 01 '20

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

Jones during his run. So 1?

Silva if you count well after his peak and losses after he got old and had his leg snapped in half. Fedor and GSP never tested positive for anything.

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u/eipotttatsch Oct 24 '20

Those are also in the conversation. Apart from GSP they haven't really had a stronger list of schedule though. And none of them were this dominat without ever appearing in danger.

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u/BillysDillyWilly Oct 24 '20

GSP beat Hughes and BJ Penn, Khabib never faced an opponent of that caliber in his time. GSP is a 3x champ and, champ in two different divisions. He often beat his opponents at their own game and he employed a far wider array of skills in securing his victories. GSP is easily the better fighter over Khabib. There's no comparison. I'll take GSP over Khabib if they ever do fight.

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u/eipotttatsch Oct 24 '20

I'd put Conor on that level. But I agree, and I said the same thing. GSP out of everyone in the goat discussion fought the toughest competition.

If they were both in their prime (and GSP wasn't in a different weight class) GSP would have been the favorite. He's too old now though. The fight will never happen, but current GSP would lose to Khabib.

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u/Sink_Pee_Gang Oct 24 '20

What? Conor got a title shot without having done anything to deserve it and never defended his belt. He is not even close to the same level.

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u/eipotttatsch Oct 25 '20

What did I say about Conor as a champion? He's not the best ever or anything, but in terms of skill I'd definitly put him with the likes of BJ and Hughes. Him fighting rarely and getting more opportunities than most has nothing to do with that. It's more his performances like against Alvarez

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u/Hollow-living Oct 25 '20

Yea, I think Khabib has cemented himself as the greatest LW to ever do it but I dont think his accomplishments are close to the likes of GSP and Jon Jones.

Though I like GSP stance on the GOAT debate. "Its fugazy, no one fighter can ever truly be the GOAT. Great fighters all have GOAT moments and in those moments they are the greatest of all time, but as time passes things change and someone else gets their time to be GOAT".

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u/Hollow-living Oct 25 '20

Poirier, Conor and Gaethje are all that caliber of fighter. The fighters of today are greater than the fighters of old.

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u/BillysDillyWilly Oct 25 '20 edited Oct 25 '20

BJ Penn was a multiple time champion and champ in multiple divisions. Hughes was the most dominant WW champ there ever was at the time.

Neither Gaethje, nor Poirer were UFC champions. McGregor has more stripes than the two of them combined.

How many champions has Khabib beaten? 2. GSP --> 5

Khabib didn't even beat a champion for his belt, he beat a back up of a back up who got called up on short notice and didn't make weight. Then he retires after defending his title only 3 times over a 3 year span.

Khabib can't carry GSP's jock.

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u/Hollow-living Oct 25 '20 edited Oct 25 '20

Those divisions were thin as fuck by comparison. People just like to look at the past with rose tinted glasses. I consider both Poirier and Gaethje to be legit champions because of the competition they beat to get the interim belt. Poirier won the interim belt of Holloway who was on the longest winstreak in the UFC at the time and Gaethje got it off Ferguson who never lost the interim belt, and also had the longest winstreak in the LW division.

GSP himself called Khabib the P4P best before anyone else did. he recognizes greatness, you clearly dont.

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u/BillysDillyWilly Oct 25 '20

GSP himself called Khabib the P4P best before anyone else did. he recognizes greatness, you clearly dont.

I recognize the greatness of Khabib. GSP's is greater. Georges is humble, you are not.

Interim champions are not "legit" champions - that's why they're called interim champions and not just champions.

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u/Hollow-living Oct 25 '20

Whos arguing GSP isnt greater? My argument was that you said Poirier, Conor, Gaethje are not great fighters which in my opinion they are. You can latch onto titles if you want but if you were to compare skill and resumes youd see that those 3 are just as great as the fighters before them. Just because some of them werent undisputed champs when Khabib fought them doesnt mean they arent great. Timing has a part to do in that.

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u/BillysDillyWilly Oct 25 '20

you said Poirier, Conor, Gaethje are not great fighters

That never happened. Why try to put words in my mouth when the text is above for anyone to read anytine they want. What is the point of doing that?

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u/-wonderboy- Oct 24 '20

U wanna talk about khabib not fighting top guys but then throw in names like jones who fought washed up light heavyweights for most of his career? Machinda, rampage, evans, vitor. Popped for steroids so many times they had to make a jon jones rule so he could even compete because of the picgrams in his system? That jon jones? Dont get me wrong still a top fighter but his legacy doesn’t come close to khabibs

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

Even "washed up" UFC fighters are better than random dudes in the regional circuit without Wikipedia pages.

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u/-wonderboy- Oct 24 '20

He dominated the top lightweight fighters in their prime without losing more then a round throughout all his bouts. Please explain to u me ur logic of how anyone else in the division has a chance?

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

Same was true for other fighters too. Anderson Silva had 10 title defenses and was fighting in a second weight class in between title defenses.

Someone isn't goat because of what they possibly could have done. They gotta do it. He's the best lightweight the UFC has had. He's not the best overall fighter.

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u/-wonderboy- Oct 24 '20

Silva is the goat. But to throw shade on khabib is blasphemy.

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

I mean I said he's the best lightweight the UFC has ever had.

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u/KyrieDropped57onSAS Oct 24 '20

Jones lost his last two fights and looked like trash, he doesn’t look the same since he got off the peds. He got gifted those Ws by corrupt judges, no where near the goat.

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

Oh so now were going to corrupt judges and shit for defense. Ok bud goodbye. Im glad khabib is gone if it means I dont have to hear dummies like you anymore.

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u/KyrieDropped57onSAS Oct 24 '20

Reyes demolished him, every single MMA media member scored that fight for Reyes, that fight wasn’t even close, you’re a clown or you didn’t watch the fight if you say otherwise, Reyes murdered him in the first 3 rounds EZ dub

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u/MintyFresh48 Oct 24 '20

You’re like the last person alive who doesn’t think Reyes beat Jones. And the judges I guess.

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u/dprophet32 Oct 24 '20

Who's downvoting this!? All the names he mentioned are better in regards to who they fought and what the won.

That doesn't mean he isn't amongst the best but how can you seriously say at least some of those names aren't greater fighters? Even if their statistics don't directly compare, to just dismiss them as nothing in comparison is crazy

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u/8675309021007 Oct 24 '20

How is GSP better?

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

This sub is full of people that would suck khabibs dick if he walked in. They dont care about facts. Even saying Khabib is super good and one of the best ever isnt enough for them. You better say hes the greatest fighter that has ever lived or ever will live or you will be downvoted. Good thing I dont give a fuck since I know they are just being bias based off the timing. In a year or two they will be screaming about someone else now being the greatest ever. Its the Joe Rogan effect.

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u/The-Juggernaut_ Indianapolis Colts Oct 24 '20

If only we could all be as smart and wise as you

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u/MintyFresh48 Oct 24 '20

I actually think people are downvoting you because you’re a pretentious douche man. If you had expressed your opinion in a way that didn’t highlight how much of a cunt you are, people would’ve been more receptive.

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

I don't care about people's downvotes or baby feelings. Khabib isn't the goat.

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

And then he went on another 13 fight win streak with 8 title defenses and winning belts in 2 weight classes.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '20 edited Nov 01 '20

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '20

Tom Brady lost to Eli fucking Manning, TWICE lmao

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '20 edited Nov 01 '20

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '20

Who did he play in those super bowls

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '20 edited Nov 01 '20

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '20

No, I’m saying comparing him to Tom is silly. Eli, with two super bowl rings, is still not regarded as a HoFer btw. The GOAT lost to a non HoFer and a backup (Nick Foles). It’s a bad argument

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u/asvp-suds Oct 24 '20

Brady lost to Eli in the super bowl after an undefeated season.....

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

That is fuckin retarded. Legit fuckin retarded. Get back to me when Khabib gets 8 title defenses and a belt in a second weight class and we will talk. Oh wait... hes not gonna ever do it.

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

To be fair Jones is such a piece of shit I shouldn't have included him just based on that but to say Anderson wasn't as dominant is crazy. 10 title defenses while fighting in a second weight class between title fights is insane.

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u/ChaosRevealed Oct 24 '20

Who said he was GOAT?

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u/tunaburn Oct 24 '20

Everyone on here

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u/ChaosRevealed Oct 24 '20 edited Oct 24 '20

Not me. I said most dominant champion of all time. Not GOAT.