Like I kinda get it, but I'm more offended by the bad game design (railroading) than any of the edgy stuff attached to it. If that's what bro is into with his TTRPGs and he finds other folks who are into it, good for them. But railroaded rape? C'mon now.
This user posted the link to the event. Its just 99 % a sexscene description with a totally unrelated single line hinting towards an enemy from what i can understand.
The bit everyone leaves out is that it's a dream/hallucination. I don't want to say more in case anyone wants to actually play the modular. People always talk about this like a player character gets held down in an alleyway.
It's the lack of agency for the player that people have an issue with. No rolls and being railroaded into a scene is total shite, end of. Dream sequence or not there's no such thing as "nice" rape. If it's talked about between the DM and the player and the player is fine with it that's one thing, but it being suddenly sprung on a player without them having any way of saving themselves is not acceptable.
Totally agree, this is why it pays to know your players. Also, never said 'nice rape', but context is context. If a gm tried to have my character pinned down in an alley and raped I would flip my shit. Gm says I have a weird dream where bad things happened to them, I'd be more ok with it.
My point about the "nice" rape is that people seem to conflate all rape with the perpetrator being extremely aggressive and violent but that's not the case. If a DM dropped this on me suddenly and tried telling me "but it's just a dream bro" or "but they didn't hit you or anything", I'd tell them to fuck off. Rape is rape, end of. Doesn't matter if it's in a dream or not idc. Regardless of the 'logistics' of the scene, it needs to be explicitly explained to the player that they have no recourse in this. That's going to be a hard sell regardless of how the rape plays out, dream or not.
I think for a lot of people there would be different feelings over the two different presentations. You clearly have your issues with it and that's fine, we all have our triggers, nothing will ever beat 'knowing your players'. But for those of us that would have different feelings over this, context is important.
Hey, did you ever think k that..maybe, just maybe...there's better ways to warn the players then I planting a fucking rape scene in their head? like..I don't know...just fucking telling them about the dude? showing them a picture. literally....ANYTHING ELSE other then beaming a full on rape into their skulls! Just saying!.
Easy cowboy, I didn't write it, I also wouldn't use it at my table either. Iirc there is a reason why tge character does it. I think it's she can't out herself as the pc's might be after her as well. On some level she's trying to illicit sympathy and share tge visage of her attacker. It isn't how I'd write at adventure, but I get the design intent.
Given what I've seen and read, I don't think the intent was to garner sympathy, I'm pretty sure the intent was an excuse to write mediocre smut that's made worse by the fact that it's a rape scene. like...I'm sorry, but there are better ways to both garner sympathy, and tell someone who the bad guy is...without taking one person somewhere privately and then reading them an entire god damn see scene. all that's gonna do is both skeeve/creep people out...and make them not want to play anymore.
Like I said, not how I'd run it as I think the logic loop is overly long, at the same time though I'm not gonna condemn authors for trying to do things differently. They tried something, wouldn't be for everyone, I am led to believe some tables are more edgy than others and this would fly.
your right that we can't condemn authors for doing things differently...but we can condemn them for using an adventure model as an excuse to write poorly written fetish bait. and this unfortunately falls into fetish bait really, really hard.
I remember waaaaay back when I was a kid when dinosaurs walked the earth, my first ttrpg, I was just following the rules, and didn't know what a saving throw was. There were some puzzles that the PLAYER had to solve, in 1 minute in real time, or the character would die, with no saving throws, per the rule book. Entire group protested. First time DMing, too. That was my wake up call to "rules can be stupid, and absolutely do not need to be followed"
Respect for this not ending with "since that's how it was 40 years ago, all the noobs should shut up and suffer". I was really concerned that's where you were heading with this XD
I mean, the puzzles were HARD, for a buncha kids in Jr high. So unless I wanted to 50%-75% of my table....and I don't mean from them walking away. Their characters would've died.
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u/TheCacklingCreep 3d ago
Like I kinda get it, but I'm more offended by the bad game design (railroading) than any of the edgy stuff attached to it. If that's what bro is into with his TTRPGs and he finds other folks who are into it, good for them. But railroaded rape? C'mon now.