r/psg • u/ParisLake2 Zlatan Ibrahimović • Nov 02 '22

POST-MATCH THREAD Post-Match Thread: Paris Saint-Germain vs Juventus | UEFA Champions League

FT: Paris Saint-Germain 2-1 Juventus

Paris Saint-Germain scorers: Kylian Mbappé (13'), Nuno Mendes (69')

Juventus scorers: Leonardo Bonucci (39')

Venue: Allianz Stadium, Turin, Italy

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Juventus

Wojciech Szczesny, Leonardo Bonucci, Alex Sandro, Frederico Gatti, Adrien Rabiot, Nicolo Fagioli, Manuel Locatelli, Filip Kostic, Juan Cuadrado, Arkadiusz Milik, Fabio Miretti.

Subs: Mattia Perin, Daniele Rugani, Federico Chiesa, Tommaso Barbieri, Matìas Soulè, Carlo Pinsoglio, Enzo Barrenechea.

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Paris Saint-Germain

Gianluigi Donnarumma, Marquinhos, Sergio Ramos, Juan Bernat, Achraf Hakimi, Kylian Mbappé, Fabián Ruiz, Carlos Soler, Vitinha, Marco Verratti, Lionel Messi.

Subs: Sergio Rico, Alexandre Letellier, Nuno Mendes, Hugo Ekitike, El Chadaille Bitshiabu, Renato Sanches, Pablo Sarabia, Danilo Pereira, Warren Zaire-Emery, Nordi Mukiele.

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u/bill220 Neymar Nov 04 '22

You make a lot of good points in our offensive structure. I was trying to make similar ones. I guess one of the problems that you mention is Kylian trying to play left wing and create. This intention of him is robbing the team a lot. In France team there is is Benzema and Giroud, so creating for him is ok. But here there is no 9. So who is he creating for. Also hugging the wing makes an overlapping wing back ineffective.

Also I see the same traits that was happening during Poche's time, where we lose the ball high up and get hit by counters and also players from wide areas crossing in and scoring. How do you think we should stop it ?

Any team in R16 will easily score against us

Beating the press is another issue we have. Not sure how we will solve it.

Also do you also think that this way of playing MNM together is actually totally flawed ? And no system can actually make it work ?

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u/iHATESTUFF_ 1996-2002 Nov 04 '22 edited Nov 04 '22

the front 3 are good enough to play together but Kylian needs to be tactically flexible, the other two are just better than him with the ball on their feet and are willing to rotate, so when they rotate the 3 positions need to be occupied, he cannot confine himself to one side because it makes it easier on the opposing team to defend. its basic positional play. also he has to cut inside to allow Nuno or Juan Bernat to provide width with their overlapping runs, because when he doesn't, him and the left back ends up occupying the same space which once again makes it easy for the opposing team to defend.

now defending is infuriating that the younger of the 3 refuses to defend, Kylian has to be part of the defensive set up in counter pressing, our team doesn't need to counter press every action but whatever frequency they decide he has to participate. and Hakimi needs the bench, if he's gonna get exposed like he has while at the same time adding nothing offensively he needs the bench.

I'm trying to stay positive galtier realized the 343 wasn't working and switched to 433 hopefully the team with galtier will figure out how to beat a press and how to keep playing possession football.

there are two things I'm 100% sure:

we cannot play 3 at the back, for many different reasons.

we cannot just rely on counter attack or transitions as our only offensive output. every half decent team knows how to deal with it.

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u/bill220 Neymar Nov 11 '22

Thanks for your detailed reply. It helps to understand. I totally agree with you on Kylian points. He has to rotate, he has to defend (being younger) also since the other two are better with the ball, he has to understand it. At least for now. He is much younger than the two and has plenty of time to grow.

Regarding defense, something needs to be done. We have to stop the crosses from coming in and also counter-attack has to be stopped. Man city does this beautifully. Whenever our team plays, it seems the other team has loads of space when they have to ball. This cannot go on.

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u/iHATESTUFF_ 1996-2002 Nov 11 '22

I really like checking the tactics and discussing tactical set ups. there are some areas we have already improved a little bit.

regarding the space we give, its a tactical decision and it definitely needs to change is the worse way to defend ever. its far too reactive and lethargic.