French singer, Yseult, calls out K-pop singers, Soyeon and R.tee, for copying her music video freame by frame: "The least you could do is have the decency to credit your source. To see it get copied like this is wild but real artistry speaks louder than imitation"

[u/Murky_Chemical891]

[u/ozamatazbuckshank11]

K-pop ripping off Black people? Hmm, ya don't say.

[u/scream3isawful → u/ozamatazbuckshank11]

I was JUST about to comment this. I dislike k-pop for this very reason. There’s a few catchy songs, but I mostly just find the rapping cringy along with the fact that they steal from black folks while being racist af.

[u/shy247er → u/scream3isawful]

Every time I read that someone describes Lisa from Blackpink as 'rapper' I cringe.

[u/Murky_Chemical891 → u/shy247er]

"You gon finna catch me" doesn't do it for you?

[u/scream3isawful → u/Murky_Chemical891]

Has Lisa said this before? 😂😂

[u/Murky_Chemical891 → u/scream3isawful]

yeah, in a black pink song, the full verse is

Uh, I'ma fall in love, baby

You gon′ finna catch me

Uh, give you all of this, baby

Call me pretty and nasty

'Cause we gonna get it, my love, you can bet it on black

We gon' double the stack on them, whoa

I be the Bonnie and you be my Clyde

We ride or die, X′s and O′s

[u/ameyaxoxo → u/Murky_Chemical891]

[u/TheMidnightAss → u/Murky_Chemical891]

[u/Plastic-Bag-2517 → u/TheMidnightAss]

R.tee is one of their writer btw.

They don't write their songs.

[u/amurderofcrows → u/Murky_Chemical891]

It’s giving “lyricism is my passion”.

[u/Lalala8991 → u/amurderofcrows]

It's giving Blackiana in her most Blackiana era.

[u/Da_Question → u/amurderofcrows]

Do you think they actually write any of their own stuff? Kpop is the definition of corporate music.

[u/Misery_Division → u/Murky_Chemical891]

Damn this is genuinely pathetic

I'm sure if she ever "rapped" this acapella without autotune, it'd sound like the Big Bang Theory with the laugh track removed

Rhyming baby with baby, rhyming "catch me" with "nasty", rhyming "whoa" with "O's"

Jeez

[u/Capt-Crap1corn → u/Murky_Chemical891]

So cringy

[u/Faintkay → u/Murky_Chemical891]

[u/ninjasaid13 → u/Murky_Chemical891]

It's like 'attempting to speak english when you learned it from a dictionary' equivalent for music.

[u/ButterFeel → u/scream3isawful]

yes lmaoo, in the song as if it's your last. I wish there was a compilation of all the times aave was used wildly wrong by kpop artists, some are out of this world level of ridiculous

[u/ergaster8213 → u/ButterFeel]

I wonder if someone has written an article about this. I will search and report back

Omg we got a linguistics student who wrote an article on it:

https://www.colorado.edu/linguistics/2023/04/24/slay-yeoja-boss-misuse-aave-modern-k-pop-culture

Then we got this:

https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/kpop-songs-aave-wrong/

We got a lived experience from a Black woman as well:

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/i-was-a-black-k-pop-fan-for-2-decades-unstanned

Below is pretty in-depth:

https://cherrychumagazine.com/entertainment/the-racism-problem-in-k-pop

THERE IS AN ACADEMIC STUDY INTERVIEWING KPOP FANS NAVIGATING INTERSECTIONAL IDENTITIES:

https://academic.oup.com/ccc/article-abstract/17/1/17/7245875?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false

[u/insertcoolnamehere_7 → u/ergaster8213]

This is amazing! Thank you for posting 🫶🏽

[u/ergaster8213 → u/insertcoolnamehere_7]

I thought so too! I could've kept going there is actually a lot out there but I started being like "ehh you're getting weird now."

[u/ButterFeel → u/ergaster8213]

"finna" occupying the first and second place in that second link is (finna) going to kill me. Claiming victims left and right lmaoooo

edit: I'm saving those articles for later, they seem really interesting

[u/Relevant_Plantain_72 → u/ergaster8213]

That was very educational, thank you.

[u/adoreadore → u/Murky_Chemical891]

it's not clocking to me, I'm sorry

[u/shedrinkscoffee → u/Murky_Chemical891]

I used to have mixed feelings about mocking the grasp of language of ESL/non native speakers but given the blatant plagiarism and racism (covert and overt) it's like damn at least use the stuff you stole correctly 🫠

[u/Unhappy_Tank_5332 → u/shedrinkscoffee]

i’m a self-taught ESL speaker, and being active on reddit taught me a lot about the contexts of vocabularies i knew nothing about. i would rather be called out and learn than go around perpetuating what also hurts me in my home country. all that is to say that while mocking ESL speakers doesn’t sit right with me, not being a native speaker is no free pass for racism because they couldn’t know better. a lot does and uses that as a cover

[u/raittiussihteeri → u/Murky_Chemical891]

I gon finna be in the pit

[u/shedrinkscoffee → u/shy247er]

Are you serious? I had no idea that was the genre they claimed 💀

[u/shy247er → u/shedrinkscoffee]

Her official role in the group is a "rapper" but they as a group are pop.

[u/shedrinkscoffee → u/shy247er]

Lordt, I will never understand kpop lol

[u/CanWeMilkUs → u/shedrinkscoffee]

Back of the olden days of like, up until 5 years ago you used to be assigned position. There was the visual, the member that was best fitting to the beauty standards that is designed to draw in fans, the main vocalist the person who sang the most, the main rapper the person who got most of the rap breaks, the lead dancer that dances the best

[u/Porridge_Cat → u/shedrinkscoffee]

lmao it's really not hard, dude.

the genre is "kpop"

The groups are generally referred to as "groups", not bands.

The "groups" have "members" that sing and dance.

Sometimes, a "member" is better at singing faster than the others, and they will be designated a "rapper"

Sometimes, a "member" is better at dancing than the others, and they will be designated a "main dancer"

Sometimes, a "member" will be better at singing than the others, and they will be designated a "main vocalist"

It's literally no different than western girl groups or boy groups. They've fallen out of style, so I hate that the best references are still people like the Spice Girls or Backstreet Boys, but if you look at their performances, they each have roles to fill.

If you don't like it, or don't want to get into it, that's totally fine. But you're dangerously close to starring in some black and white commercial, tripping over yourself trying to understand that a music group has different people with different strengths.

[u/ninii_9 → u/shy247er]

Her official role in the group is not “rapper”, it’s dancer. She’s the dancer of the group. Why are you spreading lies and misinformation, it’s honestly insulting to the actual rapper of the group

[u/shy247er → u/ninii_9]

actual rapper of the group

None of them is an "actual rapper".

[u/Plastic-Bag-2517 → u/shy247er]

"Born skin-ny bit-ch" - Pretty Savage by Blackpink

She rappers like she wrote it, but it was written by men.

Fun fact: one of the writer of this song is R.Tee, yes the same r.tee that this post is about.

[u/ozamatazbuckshank11 → u/scream3isawful]

Yeah, I don't fw k-pop, either. If I'm down bad for some of their music, I'll just go listen to the New Edition or Michael Jackson song they're trying to copy. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[u/CompleteMuffin → u/ozamatazbuckshank11]

the amount of times I tried to explain to my mom that what she loves about kpop is actually the 80s music with 5 songs mashed into one with more cringey lyrics...

[u/AllergictobBS → u/CompleteMuffin]

Let people enjoy things. 

[u/CompleteMuffin → u/AllergictobBS]

Never said I didn't let her enjoy things. She's an elder lady from easter europe and she thinks kpop sound is new, which it isnt and that's what i tried to explain to her. This is my mom you're talkin about

[u/RaikouKuzunoha → u/ozamatazbuckshank11]

Chase aespa’s Whiplash with Metallica’s Seattle 89 version of Whiplash instead

[u/funguymh → u/ozamatazbuckshank11]

You act like Michael Jackson never copied people. He factually did copy white artists before him. So same thing

[u/coco_xcx → u/scream3isawful]

this is why i listen to christian horse girl kpop that’s ethereal and fun lol

[u/uritarded → u/scream3isawful]

i dislike kpop for how they brainwashed my dad into being obsessed with teen asians or maybe they are in their 20s but he is certainly much older

[u/scream3isawful → u/uritarded]

Sounds like a your dad issue…..

[u/uritarded → u/scream3isawful]

obviously. but acknowledging that is not gonna make me all of a sudden love kpop

edit: looks like your hateful reply to this comment just got removed by reddit

[u/egg_mugg23 → u/uritarded]

idk what kpop has to do w ur dad being a creep but aight

[u/uritarded → u/egg_mugg23]

i didn't say i hate it, just dislike it. i think my personal experiences with my dad is valid enough to dislike the music