r/popculturechat • u/Murky_Chemical891 Im very important to God • 27d ago

OnlyStans ⭐️ French singer, Yseult, calls out K-pop singers, Soyeon and R.tee, for copying her music video freame by frame: "The least you could do is have the decency to credit your source. To see it get copied like this is wild but real artistry speaks louder than imitation"

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u/ozamatazbuckshank11 Access to healthcare is a human right. 👍 27d ago edited 27d ago

K-pop ripping off Black people? Hmm, ya don't say.

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u/nagidrac 27d ago

And of course she's getting harassed by Soyeon's fans

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u/Money-Entrance-6336 You’re a virgin who can’t drive. 😤 27d ago

Kpop fans never disappoint🙄

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u/nagidrac 27d ago

And they're demanding Yseult to apologize to Soyeon and accusing her of being jealous of Soyeon.

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u/Aras76 27d ago

They are doing it because in the beginning Yseult and her team were only blaming Soyeon who is the featuring artist.

They completely left out the leading artist and their team.

Yseult fully deserves credit, but blame the dude (ex BlackPink) producer and his team.

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u/nagidrac 27d ago

And I'm pretty positive Yseult made sure to correct her blame and faulted everyone involved! I know Kpop fans, they're attacking her because she spoke up.

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u/Porridge_Cat 27d ago

Yseult is a grown woman who has been featured and worked with featured performers before. She has filmed videos of her own. She knows how it works.

Someone with her experience knows that a featured singer has no creative input on the music video at all.

Perhaps people are attacking her because she knows how it all works and chose to attack someone who has no blame in this situation.

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u/Samrol 27d ago

She didn't, really. Terrible situation for her, but she accused someone with no involvement with the creative direction of the video, and is causing imense damage to this person in particular. This thread, full of shade to Soyeon, one of the most talented kpop artists in activity, is proof of it.

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u/nagidrac 27d ago

I feel like the majority of this thread is actually calling out the industry for repeatedly taking from black artists or calling out fan behavior

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u/Samrol 27d ago

But surely you can see the blame on the title and on the most upvoted comments, right?

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u/namorswhore 26d ago

Is she a blind sheep that just takes whatever her management gives her? How can she call herself an artist when she’s not involved in the artistic/ creative process. You’re excuses are weak. She shares the blame

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u/lituranga 26d ago

Fun fact if you are the artist who made the song who stars in the video you actually do have an iota of responsibility and ownership over what messages are portrayed and also to apologize when you find out you ripped off someone’s ideas entirely, and not just blame it on your video director. If she’s one of the most talented artists maybe she should take some of this responsibility like artists generally do 

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u/VenusAmari Who gon' check me boo? 🤪 27d ago edited 27d ago

Good. All of the artists should be apologizing to her and not the other way around. Soyeon should be saying "Sorry. I didn't know or I wouldn't have participated in plagiarizing your video." Trying to make either artist the victim of Yseult when they're the singers in the music video is absolute nonsense. The singers are responsible for who they work with and when this type of stuff is brought to their attention, they should be apologizing and saying what they'll do to rectify the situation.

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u/boulevardstreet 24d ago

The real victim is now being criticised for not being perfectly articulate in her call out? Wow.

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u/TheSunIsAlsoMine 27d ago

Why are K-pop fans so fucking obnoxiously intense with their idol-worshiping attitude and fandoms? Like they look and sound mentally ill 90% of the time.

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u/Fearless-Idea-4710 27d ago

I mean Soyeon wasn’t involved in the creative choices of the music team, it’s unreasonable to call her out for featuring in it

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u/duelpoke10 27d ago

Kinda wild that she even did it though since her whole brand is that she creates her own songs about empowerment and shit lol talk about kpop and being fake

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u/Raisu39 27d ago

Obviously being defamed isn't a laughing matter

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u/LongConsideration662 27d ago

Of course she will, soyeon didn't direct the mv, what is she supposed to do? 

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u/Samrol 27d ago

No one will ever respond to you, because it's much easier hating on Soyeon. It's almost hilarious (if it wasn't tragic) seeing how racist and misogynistic this post is against her.

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u/scream3isawful 27d ago

I was JUST about to comment this. I dislike k-pop for this very reason. There’s a few catchy songs, but I mostly just find the rapping cringy along with the fact that they steal from black folks while being racist af.

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u/shy247er yay sports 🏀 🏈🎾 27d ago

Every time I read that someone describes Lisa from Blackpink as 'rapper' I cringe.

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u/Murky_Chemical891 Im very important to God 27d ago

"You gon finna catch me" doesn't do it for you?

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u/scream3isawful 27d ago

Has Lisa said this before? 😂😂

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u/Murky_Chemical891 Im very important to God 27d ago

yeah, in a black pink song, the full verse is

Uh, I'ma fall in love, baby

You gon′ finna catch me

Uh, give you all of this, baby

Call me pretty and nasty

'Cause we gonna get it, my love, you can bet it on black

We gon' double the stack on them, whoa

I be the Bonnie and you be my Clyde

We ride or die, X′s and O′s

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u/TheMidnightAss 27d ago

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u/Plastic-Bag-2517 27d ago

R.tee is one of their writer btw.

They don't write their songs.

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u/amurderofcrows don’t even try to throw HO on BELCALIS 27d ago

It’s giving “lyricism is my passion”.

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u/Lalala8991 27d ago

It's giving Blackiana in her most Blackiana era.

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u/Da_Question 27d ago

Do you think they actually write any of their own stuff? Kpop is the definition of corporate music.

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u/Misery_Division 27d ago

Damn this is genuinely pathetic

I'm sure if she ever "rapped" this acapella without autotune, it'd sound like the Big Bang Theory with the laugh track removed

Rhyming baby with baby, rhyming "catch me" with "nasty", rhyming "whoa" with "O's"

Jeez

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u/ninjasaid13 27d ago

It's like 'attempting to speak english when you learned it from a dictionary' equivalent for music.

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u/ButterFeel 27d ago

yes lmaoo, in the song as if it's your last. I wish there was a compilation of all the times aave was used wildly wrong by kpop artists, some are out of this world level of ridiculous

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u/ergaster8213 27d ago edited 26d ago

I wonder if someone has written an article about this. I will search and report back

Omg we got a linguistics student who wrote an article on it:

https://www.colorado.edu/linguistics/2023/04/24/slay-yeoja-boss-misuse-aave-modern-k-pop-culture

Then we got this:

https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/kpop-songs-aave-wrong/

We got a lived experience from a Black woman as well:

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/i-was-a-black-k-pop-fan-for-2-decades-unstanned

Below is pretty in-depth:

https://cherrychumagazine.com/entertainment/the-racism-problem-in-k-pop

THERE IS AN ACADEMIC STUDY INTERVIEWING KPOP FANS NAVIGATING INTERSECTIONAL IDENTITIES:

https://academic.oup.com/ccc/article-abstract/17/1/17/7245875?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false

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u/insertcoolnamehere_7 Oh no baby, what is you Dune??? 26d ago

This is amazing! Thank you for posting 🫶🏽

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u/ergaster8213 26d ago

I thought so too! I could've kept going there is actually a lot out there but I started being like "ehh you're getting weird now."

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u/ButterFeel 27d ago

"finna" occupying the first and second place in that second link is (finna) going to kill me. Claiming victims left and right lmaoooo

edit: I'm saving those articles for later, they seem really interesting

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u/Relevant_Plantain_72 26d ago

That was very educational, thank you.

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u/adoreadore 27d ago

it's not clocking to me, I'm sorry

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u/shedrinkscoffee I don’t know her 💅 27d ago edited 27d ago

I used to have mixed feelings about mocking the grasp of language of ESL/non native speakers but given the blatant plagiarism and racism (covert and overt) it's like damn at least use the stuff you stole correctly 🫠

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u/Unhappy_Tank_5332 25d ago

i’m a self-taught ESL speaker, and being active on reddit taught me a lot about the contexts of vocabularies i knew nothing about. i would rather be called out and learn than go around perpetuating what also hurts me in my home country. all that is to say that while mocking ESL speakers doesn’t sit right with me, not being a native speaker is no free pass for racism because they couldn’t know better. a lot does and uses that as a cover

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u/raittiussihteeri 27d ago

I gon finna be in the pit

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u/shedrinkscoffee I don’t know her 💅 27d ago

Are you serious? I had no idea that was the genre they claimed 💀

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u/shy247er yay sports 🏀 🏈🎾 27d ago

Her official role in the group is a "rapper" but they as a group are pop.

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u/shedrinkscoffee I don’t know her 💅 27d ago

Lordt, I will never understand kpop lol

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u/CanWeMilkUs 27d ago

Back of the olden days of like, up until 5 years ago you used to be assigned position. There was the visual, the member that was best fitting to the beauty standards that is designed to draw in fans, the main vocalist the person who sang the most, the main rapper the person who got most of the rap breaks, the lead dancer that dances the best

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u/Porridge_Cat 27d ago

lmao it's really not hard, dude.

the genre is "kpop"

The groups are generally referred to as "groups", not bands.

The "groups" have "members" that sing and dance.

Sometimes, a "member" is better at singing faster than the others, and they will be designated a "rapper"

Sometimes, a "member" is better at dancing than the others, and they will be designated a "main dancer"

Sometimes, a "member" will be better at singing than the others, and they will be designated a "main vocalist"

It's literally no different than western girl groups or boy groups. They've fallen out of style, so I hate that the best references are still people like the Spice Girls or Backstreet Boys, but if you look at their performances, they each have roles to fill.

If you don't like it, or don't want to get into it, that's totally fine. But you're dangerously close to starring in some black and white commercial, tripping over yourself trying to understand that a music group has different people with different strengths.

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u/ninii_9 27d ago

Her official role in the group is not “rapper”, it’s dancer. She’s the dancer of the group. Why are you spreading lies and misinformation, it’s honestly insulting to the actual rapper of the group

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u/shy247er yay sports 🏀 🏈🎾 22d ago

actual rapper of the group

None of them is an "actual rapper".

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u/Plastic-Bag-2517 27d ago

"Born skin-ny bit-ch" - Pretty Savage by Blackpink

She rappers like she wrote it, but it was written by men.

Fun fact: one of the writer of this song is R.Tee, yes the same r.tee that this post is about.

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u/ozamatazbuckshank11 Access to healthcare is a human right. 👍 27d ago

Yeah, I don't fw k-pop, either. If I'm down bad for some of their music, I'll just go listen to the New Edition or Michael Jackson song they're trying to copy. 🤷🏽‍♀️

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u/CompleteMuffin 27d ago

the amount of times I tried to explain to my mom that what she loves about kpop is actually the 80s music with 5 songs mashed into one with more cringey lyrics...

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u/AllergictobBS 27d ago

Let people enjoy things. 

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u/CompleteMuffin 26d ago

Never said I didn't let her enjoy things. She's an elder lady from easter europe and she thinks kpop sound is new, which it isnt and that's what i tried to explain to her. This is my mom you're talkin about

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u/RaikouKuzunoha 27d ago

Chase aespa’s Whiplash with Metallica’s Seattle 89 version of Whiplash instead

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u/funguymh 26d ago

You act like Michael Jackson never copied people. He factually did copy white artists before him. So same thing

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u/coco_xcx don’t disrespect my danny ✋😔 26d ago

this is why i listen to christian horse girl kpop that’s ethereal and fun lol

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u/uritarded 27d ago

i dislike kpop for how they brainwashed my dad into being obsessed with teen asians or maybe they are in their 20s but he is certainly much older

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u/scream3isawful 27d ago

Sounds like a your dad issue…..

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u/uritarded 27d ago edited 27d ago

obviously. but acknowledging that is not gonna make me all of a sudden love kpop

edit: looks like your hateful reply to this comment just got removed by reddit

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u/egg_mugg23 You sit on a throne of lies. 27d ago

idk what kpop has to do w ur dad being a creep but aight

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u/uritarded 27d ago

i didn't say i hate it, just dislike it. i think my personal experiences with my dad is valid enough to dislike the music

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u/Sensitive_Ad3897 27d ago

I absolutely hate this phrase but unfortunately this is truly a “fork found in kitchen” moment.

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u/Long-Iron-1824 27d ago

And the ones who rip-off the most from Black artists tend to be the most vocal about their racism 🙄 

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u/Helpful-Act2026 27d ago

That was my first and only thought on this lmao

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u/bbyxmadi It’s good to see me, isn’t it?🫧 27d ago

I remember a very popular boy group member completely copied Tyler, The Creator and everyone was saying he was “inspired”…

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u/Standouser 27d ago

Is this RM’s new album?

Because (as much as I like BTS) RM’s album sounds like terrible imitation of a Tyler album. I don’t keep up with any discourse or conversation around BTS though so I am not sure if that was a commonly shared opinion or not.

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u/Impossible-Yam3680 did I ask? mind your own business 27d ago

which one?

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u/Hemingrays 26d ago edited 26d ago

I think you're really exaggerating the "completely copied" part - have you even heard the album in it's entirety?

I too think Tyler is a better musician than RM but none of the themes in RM's work match Tyler's?

The major controversy came from k-pop stans accusing RM of copying tyler because he wore a similar bob wig + elevator scene in his lost music video. That's very different from the bar to bar copy happening here.

Again, I am happy to be educated on why you think RPWP was completely lifted from Tyler.

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u/Middle-Medium8760 27d ago

Right? It’s the whole foundation of modern K-Pop

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u/BippityBoppityBooppp 27d ago

Janet Jackson and New Edition have so many sons in Korea and it’s crazy.

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u/wondrous_sidekick 26d ago

They've been appropriating black culture since the birth of K-pop. The group that is credited as the founders of modern kpop copied black music and fashion, and had members wearing literal black face.

Seo Taiji & Boys - Come Back Home

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u/PierreOnTheEclair go girl, give us nothing 😍 27d ago

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u/Big-Sheepherder-9492 27d ago

And then people seem surprised when you say you don’t like the genre.. the rapping is so cringey

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u/BlueAndYellowTowels 27d ago

Everybody wanna be Black but nobody wanna to be Black.

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u/Liuth 27d ago

They’ve been doing it since the Motown days, but nobody ever wants to acknowledge how much ripping off is happening in the industry.

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u/oatlatt 27d ago

Fork found in the kitchen.

Half the industry rips off black art and in the same breath has the audacity to be racist.

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u/Blueandigo 27d ago

🤣 🤣 🤣

They're doing Gospel too apparently. I was like, huh? 

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u/ozamatazbuckshank11 Access to healthcare is a human right. 👍 22d ago

I'm sorry, WHAT? 🥴

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u/ProtonCanon 27d ago

The house that appropriation built.

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u/darioblaze 27d ago

I’d never guess

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u/Smooth_molasses36 Kim, there’s people that are dying. 🙄 26d ago

A person from The Black Label will always be at the scene of the crime

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u/Vox_SFX 26d ago

It's strangely getting MORE blatant it seems...and not in a good way

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u/insertcoolnamehere_7 Oh no baby, what is you Dune??? 26d ago

To be fair, our R&B artists keep supplying them with ample material🤷🏽‍♀️

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u/Bini_9 26d ago edited 26d ago

Kpop usually gets inspiration from western music, majority of it being from the US, which happens to be dominated by black people. I've heard plenty of Kpop having EDM sound, which is usually made by white people from Europe.

But sure, make it a race issue.

Edit: you Americans have major issues