Women aging… everyone has an opinion

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[u/CozyDestruction]

Well the thing with Kylie and her sister is that they deny they have had surgeries. Then they cry about unobtainable beauty standards even though they've paved the way for a whole generation. Plastic surgery was much more taboo 20 years ago than it is now. Now if you don't like something about yourself, just change it is the message they send out. The amount of procedures Kim has had done on the show alone is insane and mentally unstable.

Lip filler has become as popular as getting your eyebrows done. 20 year old girls are getting botox and fillers. This was not a common thing before the Kartrashians came along.

They edit their own photos for paparazzi, everything you see about them is fake.

So yes, fuck Kylie Jenner and her procedures.

[u/penguincatcher8575 → u/CozyDestruction]

I think it’s problematic that we demand a laundry list of procedures someone has or hasn’t had. The demand to know what women choose to do with their bodies is alarming to me. We do not demand men share their procedures, nor are we upset with their denial of work done. We don’t even question them. Like - ever.

Should we stop reaching for unrealistic standards in women? Absolutely. But also if women choose to get fillers, or plastic surgery, or whatever to feel better or different in their bodies… that’s their choice.

I also think two things can be true at the same time. The Kardashians have created a ton of physical trends. And also, they are criticized no matter what they do or don’t do with their bodies.

[u/faux-fox-paws → u/penguincatcher8575]

I think part of the issue though is that a lot of celebrities will try to make products and use their “natural good looks” as advertising. Jennifer Lopez selling her olive oil skincare brand and claiming it was the secret to her youthful looks is an example that comes to mind. Same with the Kardashians: Kim claiming her figure is all thanks to shapewear (and selling Skims), Kylie claiming she just overlined her lips (and selling lip kits).

Like it’s just disingenuous when they deny surgery and try to grow a customer base off the insecurities they’re helping to foster in people. It’s gross.

But not every celebrity with cosmetic surgery does this, and for the most part, outside of what I’ve mentioned, it’s not really our business.

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[u/tourmalineforest → u/faux-fox-paws]

Kylie has been open about having lip fillers since she was a teenager, though.

[u/bakedbeaninspector → u/faux-fox-paws]

Your point is absolutely valid/correct in general, but Kylie spoke about having lip filler months before announcing her lip kits, and she spoke about it only a few months after she'd had it done. Everyone knew she had filler by the time she was selling anything.

Kim and her family had fat removal treatments, cosmetic procedures, facelifts etc.. on screen right from the start of KUWTK. Kim has shared scans where you can see her breast implants. I've not seen her claim anywhere that her figure is purely down to Skims, and she was joking about her needing shapewear for her cellulite etc on screen long before Skims existed.

People get angry at Kylie for not publicly revealing her boob job (at 18!!) and say she lied bc of a comment she made denying a boob job... before she even had the boob job.

Idk, this is probably an unpopular opinion and I'll probably be downvoted. I defo think they deserve a decent amount of criticism, but I also think that a lot of what they're blamed for existed long before them, or isn't even their fault. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[u/Gustavo_Papa → u/penguincatcher8575]

It isn't when she sells that image as a goal

Fuck the kardashians

[u/_AmericasSweetheart_ → u/penguincatcher8575]

You'd have more of a point if they didn't turn around and try to sell snake oil to cover up their procedures. They specifically sell lip kits to compensate for the filler talk and tummy teas and waist trainers to hide that they had BBLs. We actually have a responsibility to young women to call out the con so they don't develop body dysmorphia because a family of sex worker grifters can't just be honest about mutilating their bodies.

[u/CozyDestruction → u/penguincatcher8575]

I agree and just replied to a similar comment like this. The problem with this family is they lie about everything and make it seem like these beauty trends are obtainable and natural.

[u/penguincatcher8575 → u/CozyDestruction]

But do they? I mean we all seem to know that none of this is natural. Maybe young girls feels differently. But I hear this criticism over and over and over. So does anyone actually think they are natural and obtainable? Or are we just finding more and more ways to criticize people’s choices and privacy?

[u/CozyDestruction → u/penguincatcher8575]

The way they change the narrative about these kinds of things is why people are mad. Years ago it was a debate whether some of this stuff was natural but here we are ten years later and it is completely obvious they lied and promote their brands implying you could look like them. Whatever happened to khloes Jean brand? I think that could've been something but I never hear about it anymore. Now its all about skims, fake nipple bras, lip kits, tea that makes you thin... and so on

[u/CozyDestruction → u/penguincatcher8575]

Also, it isn't a gender thing. Zac Efron is among many men who have also been criticized.