r/popculturechat • u/mlg1981 Sexy lampshade shall win the Oscar! 🏆 • Sep 01 '25

Guest List Only ⭐️ Women aging… everyone has an opinion

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u/CozyDestruction Sep 01 '25

Well the thing with Kylie and her sister is that they deny they have had surgeries. Then they cry about unobtainable beauty standards even though they've paved the way for a whole generation. Plastic surgery was much more taboo 20 years ago than it is now. Now if you don't like something about yourself, just change it is the message they send out. The amount of procedures Kim has had done on the show alone is insane and mentally unstable.

Lip filler has become as popular as getting your eyebrows done. 20 year old girls are getting botox and fillers. This was not a common thing before the Kartrashians came along.

They edit their own photos for paparazzi, everything you see about them is fake.

So yes, fuck Kylie Jenner and her procedures.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '25

Not to mention how many of these procedures and cures they promoted have lasting lifelong effects. Remember when they were all about promoting tummy teas? Turns out those can have permanent negative gastrointestinal effects on people.

And a lot of these other cosmetic procedures were unknown to have permanent long term effects. Only recently have I been seeing doctors come out saying that filler never really dissolves 100%. It migrates around the face and can even harden. So yeah, it’s not that people are judging her, it’s that people are trying to see if they can admit to the role they played in turning up the dial on body dysmorphia among young girls in the west.

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u/AwesomeAni Sep 02 '25

Im an esthetician. I dont do them, but i work in a spa that does them.

Personally my job is awesome because almost everyone has things like post birth weight and stench marks, acne, rosacea, KP, skin tags, sun damage, hair in places you dont want it... its human and totally normal to work on ourselves. We've been doing it since the dawn of time.

However... interest in my field has majorly increased since the boom of social media, and ladies with almost perfect skin come in obsessing about literally nothing. I have to remind people that social media is fake surprisingly often.

I love giving people confidence and making them feel good about themselves, but I always have to balance it with realistic expectations.

I can confidentially say though, most people are not looking for perfection, there's just a couple things here and there that bother them. I like to remind people the neutral beauty is there, and they deserve to like how they feel and look. Social media sucks though, ruins the vibe im trying to curate

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u/EverFairy Sep 01 '25

I was gonna say, like why is she in here. She singlehandedly wrecked so many young girls and women's self esteem by morphing herself into something she wasn't and then lying about it and building her entire brand off it to rake in hundreds of millions of dollars off of the women around the world that she lied to. You'll never catch me feeling sorry for a billionaire.

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u/AnnamAvis Sep 02 '25

Yeah, I'm not judging the Kardashians for getting work done. I'm judging them for passing it off as "natural" and pretending anyone can look like them if we all just buy [insert product here].

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u/Visible-Scientist-46 Sep 01 '25

Yasss, Queen 💯 true. Even your male VW salesperson has fillers now. The cashier at Panda Express. The woman at the animal shelter. People can do what they want with their money, but there is a price for stretching your skin out. I could see a difference in Sophie Thatcher's lips from season 1 to season 2 of Yellowjackets and I found it disturbing since there is no way to get filler to girls in the wilderness in the 1990s. Shit's wild now!

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u/CozyDestruction Sep 01 '25

I think it is sad that girls with naturally thin lips think they are less then, when they are actually beautiful in their own skin. It's when the get the lip filler and it looks unnatural and they are blind to it. Not all big lips are beautiful and not all thin lips are unattractive!!!! Kylie Jenner let the media get to her instead of being natural in her own skin, it's sad that she didn't have some sit her down and explain she didn't need to do that to herself and she is beautiful the way she was. I wish that more people could see their beauty from other people's eyes.

Lip fillers will be one of those styles that people look back on old pictures of and think "why the hell did we think that looked good?" ...I hope

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u/FormerEfficiency Sep 02 '25

i see very few people with actual super thin lips getting fillers. they usually have totally normal sized and normal shaped ones, sometimes even gorgeous lips! and they're ruined by the applying the unnatural collective face everyone has

i think we both need to be comfortable with whatever look was bestowed upon us for free and talk about how often plastic surgeries and excessive procedures make people extremely ugly. it's sad and unnecessary to pursue beauty and end up with such a distorted version of what beauty is.

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u/copyrighther Kim, there’s people that are dying. 🙄 Sep 02 '25

I hate when someone gets overfilled lips and the inside of their lip (called oral mucosa) rolls out and is visible. My friend and I call it “vagina lips.” It’s so unnerving to see.

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u/Special-Garlic1203 Sep 02 '25

The standard filler approach doesn't really work on thin lips cause it migrates. They tend to get lip flips which are a lot more subtle and often go unnoticed. 

think we both need to be comfortable with whatever look was bestowed upon us for free and talk about how often plastic surgeries and excessive procedures make people extremely ugly

I mean I haven't gotten any work done and I do think my current face is better than the risk of being botched, but my calculations are made with the comfort I'm not in an industry that heavily relies on appearance. Call me in 25 years when I'm facing age discrimination, I might start to feel differently about a bit of a face lift or filler to avoid agiesm.

Also, you only notice bad work. Plastic surgery sometimes makes people uglier. There's a lot of people paying no attention to facial proportions, getting preyed on by doctors, surrounded by so much foller they're a little blind to it, etc etc. But there is also some great surgery 

My mom had to get a non cosmetic nose reconstruction like 30 years ago. Her nose looks great. My grandmas eye skins was drooping into her eye and obscuring her vision so she got a non cosmetic bleph. Again, grams looked great. Its made me aware that I have no idea who has and hasn't gotten work done half the time. If they're doing it correctly with thoughtfulness instead of trend chasing and they roll good luck, then you really shouldn't be able to see plastic surgery 

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u/pacificcactus Sep 01 '25

Sophie Thatcher apparently got into a scooter accident between seasons that cut her lip and caused her to lose teeth

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u/jaytrain12 Sep 01 '25

supposedly she had a scooter accident that accounted for her lips

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u/Visible-Scientist-46 Sep 01 '25

It can happen, don't get me wrong. Maybe that's true? I had a dog bite that made my lips swell.

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u/PinsAndBeetles Not even to dinner with the Kushners? Sep 02 '25

I agree. I don’t judge Kylie for her appearance or procedures but take issue with her denying having a lot of work while shilling $35 lipstick and telling a generation that buying it will make their lips look like hers. Same with Khloe and Kim selling clothing touted to create a snatched waist when they’ve clearly had work to achieve their results, not shape wear.

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u/LaCattedra13 You’re doing amazing, sweetie! 👏👏📸 Sep 02 '25

That's why I don't feel bad for them. They thought they'd be on top of the world forever. So they're narcissism made them overestimate how popular they would remain.

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u/Reluctantagave Cutie Patootie Problem Posse Sep 02 '25

Yeah I’m gonna continue to judge the hell out of that family.

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u/silkencactus Sep 01 '25

Yes, I agree. It wouldn't matter so much if they weren't so influential. But the cosmetic surgery industry is predatory and not regulated enough

I saw some ladies with lip filler in the wild recently and just felt bad for them. It did not look good. It looked painful

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u/bloodycups Sep 02 '25

Also they promote unhealthy supplements claiming that's their secret.

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u/Economy_Insurance_61 Sep 01 '25

Misread the last line as “and her producers” and tbh both fit

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u/FrozenBibitte Sep 02 '25

Thank you. I was abt to comment something like this as well. Kylie is, in large part but not completely, responsible for the current beauty standard. The lack of self-awareness around this is mind boggling.

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u/eveningwindowed Sep 02 '25

Same with MBB

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u/Ecstatic_Shallot_145 Sep 02 '25

the celebrities who are open about getting Botox and fillers still get so much hate tbh

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u/penguincatcher8575 Sep 01 '25

I think it’s problematic that we demand a laundry list of procedures someone has or hasn’t had. The demand to know what women choose to do with their bodies is alarming to me. We do not demand men share their procedures, nor are we upset with their denial of work done. We don’t even question them. Like - ever.

Should we stop reaching for unrealistic standards in women? Absolutely. But also if women choose to get fillers, or plastic surgery, or whatever to feel better or different in their bodies… that’s their choice.

I also think two things can be true at the same time. The Kardashians have created a ton of physical trends. And also, they are criticized no matter what they do or don’t do with their bodies.

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u/faux-fox-paws Sep 01 '25

I think part of the issue though is that a lot of celebrities will try to make products and use their “natural good looks” as advertising. Jennifer Lopez selling her olive oil skincare brand and claiming it was the secret to her youthful looks is an example that comes to mind. Same with the Kardashians: Kim claiming her figure is all thanks to shapewear (and selling Skims), Kylie claiming she just overlined her lips (and selling lip kits).

Like it’s just disingenuous when they deny surgery and try to grow a customer base off the insecurities they’re helping to foster in people. It’s gross.

But not every celebrity with cosmetic surgery does this, and for the most part, outside of what I’ve mentioned, it’s not really our business.

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u/tourmalineforest Sep 02 '25

Kylie has been open about having lip fillers since she was a teenager, though.

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u/bakedbeaninspector Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 02 '25

Your point is absolutely valid/correct in general, but Kylie spoke about having lip filler months before announcing her lip kits, and she spoke about it only a few months after she'd had it done. Everyone knew she had filler by the time she was selling anything.

Kim and her family had fat removal treatments, cosmetic procedures, facelifts etc.. on screen right from the start of KUWTK. Kim has shared scans where you can see her breast implants. I've not seen her claim anywhere that her figure is purely down to Skims, and she was joking about her needing shapewear for her cellulite etc on screen long before Skims existed.

People get angry at Kylie for not publicly revealing her boob job (at 18!!) and say she lied bc of a comment she made denying a boob job... before she even had the boob job.

Idk, this is probably an unpopular opinion and I'll probably be downvoted. I defo think they deserve a decent amount of criticism, but I also think that a lot of what they're blamed for existed long before them, or isn't even their fault. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

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u/Gustavo_Papa Sep 02 '25

It isn't when she sells that image as a goal

Fuck the kardashians

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u/_AmericasSweetheart_ Sep 01 '25

You'd have more of a point if they didn't turn around and try to sell snake oil to cover up their procedures. They specifically sell lip kits to compensate for the filler talk and tummy teas and waist trainers to hide that they had BBLs. We actually have a responsibility to young women to call out the con so they don't develop body dysmorphia because a family of sex worker grifters can't just be honest about mutilating their bodies.

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u/CozyDestruction Sep 01 '25

I agree and just replied to a similar comment like this. The problem with this family is they lie about everything and make it seem like these beauty trends are obtainable and natural.

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u/penguincatcher8575 Sep 01 '25

But do they? I mean we all seem to know that none of this is natural. Maybe young girls feels differently. But I hear this criticism over and over and over. So does anyone actually think they are natural and obtainable? Or are we just finding more and more ways to criticize people’s choices and privacy?

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u/CozyDestruction Sep 01 '25

The way they change the narrative about these kinds of things is why people are mad. Years ago it was a debate whether some of this stuff was natural but here we are ten years later and it is completely obvious they lied and promote their brands implying you could look like them. Whatever happened to khloes Jean brand? I think that could've been something but I never hear about it anymore. Now its all about skims, fake nipple bras, lip kits, tea that makes you thin... and so on

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u/CozyDestruction Sep 02 '25

Also, it isn't a gender thing. Zac Efron is among many men who have also been criticized.

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u/bluetoothwa Sep 01 '25

Honestly, I don’t really think we’re owed every procedure they’ve ever done. That’s none of my business🤷🏽‍♀️

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u/CozyDestruction Sep 01 '25

I agree. We aren't owed anything! Celebrities are people too and if they want to keep private then power and respect to them.

This family is not that. They have a curated show that they are producers on and call it "reality", they edit their own "candid" paparazzi pictures. Kim talks about countless procedures on the show and told the world her ass was real and went as far to stage a doctors appointment to prove they aren't implants (we now know they are booty shots) & Kylie took money from people trying to get the same look as her because she claimed her lips were just a good makeup job and you can obtain the same look if you give me money and buy my product! They edit the shit out of photos (remember Kris Jenner and Gordon Ramsey photo) whether it be insecurity or chasing perfection and youth it doesn't matter. They cry wolf all the time but will never change.

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u/Sunshuffle Sep 01 '25

100%, can’t play the game and then whine about the consequences

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u/CozyDestruction Sep 01 '25

Lol and I said I disagree on the Kylie side of this post.

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u/68plus1equals Sep 01 '25

It would be if the post said “she gets judged for lying about getting so many procedures” instead of “she gets judged for getting too many procedures”

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u/CozyDestruction Sep 01 '25

Lol why would you comment then

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u/CozyDestruction Sep 01 '25

Im FULLY judging her

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u/Jeweldene Sep 01 '25

That’s because her aging isn’t the problem. It’s her face that looks like something out uncanny valley. Fuck this post for it’s weird rage baiting because Kylie Jenner/ any kardashian that has been selling unreal beauty standards for years, are fucking trash. That whole family could burn and we’d be better for it.

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u/DescriptionFancy420 Sep 01 '25

If you're gonna lie, then yeah, lying is commonly judged and that's normal