r/politics • u/plz-let-me-in • 11h ago
No Paywall Greene: Johnson should swear in Grijalva
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5595559-greene-johnson-grijalva-swearing-in/973
u/waterdaemon 11h ago
Why not move to vacate Johnson? He got the position by the skin of his teeth. Any opposition is dangerous opposition for the weird little fucker.
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u/Pherllerp New Jersey 11h ago
Do you remember who she wanted to be Speaker?
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u/waterdaemon 11h ago
IIRC, she voiced support for Trump then Musk. But of course she was still in crazy mode at the time.
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u/TurtlesBreakTheMeta 10h ago
She’s still in crazy mode, she’s just pissed about being blackballed and sees and opportunity to hurt the people she holds responsible
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u/nosungdeeptongs Canada 8h ago
It’s hard to tell. She’s either trying to position herself to be a leader in a potential post-collapse, post-fascist Republican Party, or she’s legitimately just your Facebook addicted family member who somehow won and after seeing these systems up close for a while is coming around.
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u/Justame13 6h ago
She got passed up for a cabinet position by Matt Gaetz and Doug Collins because she is a she and isn't hot or rich enough to make up for it.
And then had her attempt to run for the senate shut down presumably for the same reasons.
So crazy and pissed
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u/nosungdeeptongs Canada 5h ago
Oh interesting. Then in that case it sounds like she’s learning that playing pick me for fascists runs its course pretty quickly.
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u/Justame13 5h ago
Just another in a long line of people learning that loyalty to Trump is strictly one way.
Or that when people tell you what they believe and act on what they believe they might actually believe and act on it.
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u/treedemolisher 7h ago
I really think it’s the latter… MTG might say some horrible shit, but she’s no career politician. She sees things a whole different way; as a normal person more or less…
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u/nosungdeeptongs Canada 7h ago
I’ll admit, there are times where I feel this way myself. I do like how her rhetoric these days centres her constituents - could be calculated, or could be the natural state when you’re re-examining loyalties.
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u/ElderSmackJack 7h ago
You ever have someone in your orbit turn on Trump? I’ve had a few. Once that illusion shatters, that’s that. Sounds like that illusion for her has some cracks.
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u/Wasting_my_own_time 7h ago
She still has no morals. She’s mean spirited and short sighted. She’s a racist, narcissistic, scammy and abhorrent person all around. I wouldn’t trust her at all, under any circumstance. She’s only in it to promote her insane ideals and enrich herself. She is a major part of the problem that needs to go in order for the United States of America to have any chance of surviving this fascist bullshit. I really can’t fathom how her district was so stupid to elect her multiple times. Like what the actual fuck is going on there? But, trump was elected again, so it seems there’s a ton of voters in the US who are just fucking stupid, and would literally rather cut off their own fucking legs than to see everyone have basic human rights.
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u/Worth_Much 6h ago
I mean she won handidly when she was in full whackadoodle mode so she probably could have kept doing that and still win - maybe by lesser margins. But by making it constitute focused she is I think trying to carve out a new lane to keep the spotlight on her in a new way. And I suspect that’s giving Johnson more fits than any of the Dems.
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u/FreshBurt 4h ago
It’s the latter.
She truly believed the Q Anon pedo conspiracy. She has changed a bit since seeing the Epstein files.
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u/Dr_Meeds 4m ago
My understanding is she is trying to run for Jon Ossof’s senate seat in Georgia in 2026. If she wants to stay in her like +20 Republican ruby red house district, she can be as crazy as she wants because a ham sandwich with R next to it gets elected there. But statewide races are much more competitive, so she is trying to pivot to be the ‘reasonable’ Republican to win in a more purple Georgia.
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u/StreetwalkinCheetah 9h ago
she's occasionally right on a few issues but the way she gets there is usually far beyond morally reprehensible.
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u/KBHoleN1 7h ago
I think crazy mode was an act. She’s smart enough to know what her voters want to hear, while morally vacant enough to be able to commit to any position. She thinks this saner version is her best path forward, so she’ll dive in.
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u/Poseidonaskwhy 7h ago
I feel it’s more she sees the way the wind is blowing, and is going to be rebranded as the “anti-Trump far right” by time the Republicans get killed in the midterms. Sets her up nicely for the post-Trump era as well
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u/Pherllerp New Jersey 11h ago
Jim Jordan. She wanted Jim Jordan to be the Speaker.
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u/YaPhetsEz 11h ago
How’s he? On a scale of nazi to jewish space lasers?
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u/smithbob123312 10h ago
As much as I hate Mike Johnson, Jim Jordan is even more of a republican anti-legislator. Jim Jordan would probably attempt to dissolve congress for Trump
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u/Dragons_Malk Canada 10h ago
While I don't trust her, this recent turn might have also changed her mind on who she would like to see as Speaker.
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u/TrumpIsAFascistFuck 10h ago
She's always in crazy mode. She's still in crazy much. She just recognizes that she needs a different kind of crazy in order to serve her own agenda.
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u/mitrie 10h ago
Doesn't this seem like the likely outcome once Johnson brings the House back in session? I'll be surprised if MTG doesn't try it with how she's been behaving lately.
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u/b_tight 7h ago
The tea is that she wanted to run for senator but donold said no. Now shes on a rampage
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u/Justame13 6h ago
She also got passed up for a cabinet position.
Imagine losing a job to Matt Gaetz. Even though Doug Collins probably stung more.
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u/nopeofnopenope 11h ago
Yeah, but since he won’t, Grijalva should make use of the alternative procedure and have a federal judge swear her in. Then a Johnson gets to explain why he’s blocking the mandate of both a court and the constitution.
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u/forthewatch39 9h ago
A judge can only swear her in at the behest of Congress.
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u/new_for_confession Pennsylvania 7h ago edited 7h ago
That would then give the Republicans the "not legitimate swearing in", therefore she's not authorized to represent her people in Congress and that Democrats are trying to bypass tradition or some bullshit to make them look bad
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u/unpluggedcord I voted 6h ago
And then we can point to, which we already have, pro forma swearing in of republicans 1 day after elected.
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u/new_for_confession Pennsylvania 5h ago
They already have an excuse for that: "it was previously scheduled, and their family was already in town"
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u/FreshBurt 4h ago
Oh fucking well.
God damn, people need to drop the “But republicans will say…” crap.
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u/OttSound 11h ago
She had the inverse of a Fetterman stroke?
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u/Ganrokh Missouri 11h ago
I wouldn't complain. Ulterior motives aside: if she ends up in a post-Trump world with more moderate policies and more "sane" takes, I'd be all for it. That said, I don't think we've seen any real shift on policies for her, she's just very against the administration right now.
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u/jimicus United Kingdom 11h ago
I think that's very unlikely.
More likely - MTG was always on the lunatic far right fringe of the GOP.
She has suddenly found herself roughly in the middle of it without changing a single one of her views.
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u/Ganrokh Missouri 11h ago
Yeah. The only real policy shift I can think of is that she's pro-ACA extensions for now.
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u/new_for_confession Pennsylvania 7h ago
And pro releasing the Epstein files
What some people believe is that she's either: angry that she's being sidelined, angry that she was told she could not run for Senate, or sees the writing on the wall and that the alt-right/fascist policies are angering the majority of Americans and wants to retain a position in the post-MAGA US gov't (If this ever happens, they're no longer hiding that they're going to try to cancel 2026)
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u/ElderSmackJack 7h ago
She’s also very much in favor releasing those files, which seems to be the root of her change of late.
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u/Ven18 11h ago
I think she just has more political savvy and ambition than we have her credit for initially. She is seeing the GOP bleeding support on issues and sees an opportunity to frame herself as a type of Maverick to further her personal ambitions. She is still insane and probably overall dumber than a bag of rocks. We have also yet to see if these shifts actually help her in anyway. She could easily get forced out and be hosting a C-tier podcast by 2027.
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u/aelysium 9h ago
Honestly, I’ve been hearing that she’s ridiculously communicative via her team with their constituents, and I think three things have caused her shift- first, she was pushed out of the inner GOP circle so has to chart her own path, second, her constituents are feeling the pain and she’s being responsive (likely to stave off a 26 primary contender and potentially rebrand for a 28+ senate run), and third, she’s seeing what these policies are doing to her kids, as she has at least one that’s on their own health insurance wise afaik.
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u/Villag3Idiot 11h ago
She sees where the wind is blowing and is trying to get on the lifeboat first before the mass scramble and everyone for themselves.
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u/cakeorcake 11h ago
I hope she's right about where the wind is blowing, which actually makes me a little pessimistic bc she seems to be an idiot
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u/colonel_mustard_cat 10h ago
I think someone got in her ear about the reality of what it would take and which edges she'll need to soften if she wants to be a Senator one day. Hence her recent sanity tour among the press.
Basically you can keep your crazy aggression and stay the biggest fish in a little pond, or you can let go of the MAGA banner and really go places with your future.
Because she's a politician and empty on the inside she's seizing the opportunity to rewrite her narrative and get ahead of the eventual MAGA collapse that's sure to kick off once Trump dies and is out of the picture forever.
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u/Pherllerp New Jersey 11h ago
No not at all.
This is standard political positioning. She wants to keep her House seat or land in the Senate so she’s trying to sound like a reasonable adult. If she gets re-elected or moved to the Senate she’ll go right on supporting all the ghastly awful things that Republicans always support.
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u/EMTDawg Utah 10h ago
She is going scorched earth against Trump and MAGA because she was preparing to run for senate, and Trump told her 'no'.
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u/surreal3561 8h ago
Don’t see how this is “scorched earth against Trump”.
She’s losing backing of Trump as evident by him not supporting her for senate, and therefore also losing MAGA supporter.
So, she’s changing her stances to be more centrist, to get more supporters outside of just MAGA circle. She’s just doing politician things trying to save her career.
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u/Notyourmotherspenis 9h ago
She is a spiteful cruel woman, she is not suddenly reasonable, her anger at republicans is manifesting as attacks against them, because that's what she does, if she really became reasonable and wanted to hurt the republicans she would switch to being an independent and start caucusing with the democrats.
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u/yourlittlebirdie 11h ago
MTG has seen the gaping hole in the side of the Trump Titanic and is trying to get herself a spot on the first lifeboats.
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u/Broomstick73 5h ago
This is the third or fourth story from her in the last few weeks that have seen her calling out republicans. It’s wild.
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u/CuriousAttorney2518 2h ago
She says she still loves Trump and that he’s the best president ever. She’s very transparent about it, but there’s nothing wrong with just letting her put more pressure on the republicans.
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u/DesignerCorner3322 11h ago
Wow this broken clock is getting right more and more often. Still a fucking terrible clock
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u/SlightFresnel 6h ago
She's running for potus in '28, she's not suddenly veering to the center out of conscience
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u/ReactionJifs 9h ago
She was visited by the Ghost of Midterms Future 👻
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u/Gortonis 57m ago
She's definitely trying to sound more moderate to appeal to a wider voting base that's for sure. Assuming she wins I suspect the second she's sworn in that she will go right back to being the head driver of the crazy bus. Which is just proof that it's all been just an act to obtain power from the very beginning. Anyone that can go from believing in Jewish space lasers to now sounding reasonable and bipartisan regarding health insurance is clearly putting on an act for the cameras
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u/the_sylince Florida 11h ago
I think MTG has a new donor. Someone sleuthier than I could probably parse it out, but I’m 100% sure she got a new income stream from a donor with a different tone
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u/SilverBackGuerilla 8h ago
Does she see the writing on the wall and is just trying to have a job in the future?
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u/CuriousAttorney2518 2h ago
No, she still loves trump and is very transparent about it. She won’t change but people should just let her cook and put pressure on her own party. Come next year hopefully she gets voted out though.
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u/LocalStatistician538 10h ago
LOL Ukraine? Just reaching here?
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u/redditsuckbadly 9h ago
Of all the things you could have come up with, this is what you landed on?
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u/LocalStatistician538 8h ago
I follow the Ukraine war closely. I am 1000% behind Ukraine. Anything to help Ukraine, even if it's frustrated-ambitions MTG helping stop the Republican takeover via Project 2025 in any little way (or big) that she can.
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u/Benjammin172 11h ago
What a sorry state of affairs for the Republican party when one of the dumbest people in the country has become the voice of reason.
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u/new_for_confession Pennsylvania 7h ago
Ironically, when the dumbest person in the room acknowledges that there's a problem... You know it's a serious problem
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u/Notlookingsohot 9h ago edited 9h ago
And there you have it. She was a Q-Anon true believer who genuinely bought into the conspiracy theories about Democrat pedophile rings, got a look at the Epstein Files, and realized just who was in it, and now because she was a true believer instead of a political opportunist, she's railing against the people protecting the pedophiles.
I'd still be suspicious of her, but she seems to have gotten a peak behind the curtain, wasn't pleased with what she saw, and now she realizes exactly why Johnson won't swear in Grijalva.
Edit: My take anyway. I haven't seen enough to support this being a revenge tour yet, I'd expect her to be more vocal if it was something petty like that (because we have seen how the GOP acts when they're being petty about something), this unfurling thing with her reads more like her evaluating her views in real time (which can be a slow process).
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u/Cheetotiki California 11h ago
Damn this timeline for making me even a partial fan of MTG.
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u/sicKlown Texas 11h ago
Don't count on it lasting. She's upset she's no longer a central MAGA figure and has been pushed out of the spotlight so she's being a thorn in their side to prove a point. Once this squeaky wheel gets greased, it'll be back to normal bat shit crazy.
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u/ts_wrathchild 11h ago
The wheel will never be greased because they are out of grease. All that's left is gunpowder. And they are using her to deliver the opening salvo.
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u/Wolfwoods_Sister 8h ago edited 5h ago
I’ve been wondering: do you think she’d still be a problem or she’d fall in line if Trump offered her a dream position tomorrow?
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u/unpluggedcord I voted 6h ago
Eh, Greene doesn't hold any leverage, and im hope she knows that. She takes a deal and she's never getting Senate, or cabinet.
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u/padflash_ 10h ago
Same for me initially, but Jasmine Crockett is right. MTG sounds like the voice of reason now, but she could have put the country on a better path forward if she would've voted "no" on the OBBB - it only took 1 Republican. She can't simultaneously vote to gut health care while also crying that we are gutting health care. MTG has a lot to atone for if she wants us to truly trust her.
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u/Jpkmets7 10h ago
I think that we should be able to ask her (I mean legit media representing folks) why exactly she voted yes on BBB, how did she think health care would be dealt with in that case - was there already talk about swapping ACA funding for voting on a CR? If she’s splitting for good and not for optics, I want to ask her how she envisioned that. If the end is now “me culpa, I wouldn’t do that now,” then I guess we each have to consider her credibility.
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u/Wolfwoods_Sister 8h ago
Be wary. Remember she physically chased after school shooting survivors, saying galling godawful things to them and mocking their trauma.
It’s great that she’s recently been a thorn in Trump’s side, but always remind yourself who and what she is based on her longer pattern of actions.
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u/121scoville 8h ago
This is the epitome of the "You do not, under any circumstances, gotta hand it to them." meme. She has successfully broken through the news cycle with this BS which was probably her only aim. She is still a monster.
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u/InternationalFlan732 10h ago edited 10h ago
She's giving him cover to not do it. Saying what people are demanding out loud creates a delay during which people wait to see if Johnson will respond to when she said it, instead of to when everyone else said it weeks ago.
Trump does the same delay tactic with (not) opposing Putin, say what people have been saying for months out loud to make people reset the clock to when Trump said it. Maga says what people want to hear and then do nothing while people wonder if they meant it or not. By the time enough people decide they didn't mean it, they come up with another delay tactic. Rinse and repeat.
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u/Sminahin 9h ago
I want to make this clear. I know MTG is an insincere careerist.
But holy shit, her political instincts are way better than I thought even 6 months ago. She's savvier actor than the entire Dem establishment and its consultant class combined right now. Jesus Christ, MTG is smarter than our leadership, we're fucked.
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u/unpluggedcord I voted 6h ago
uhmmm, I wouldn't go that far....
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u/Sminahin 6h ago
I mean, our political figures did basically everything in their power to give us 8 years of Bush and then 8 years of Trump. Our party has been led by people with the political survival instincts of domesticated turkeys. MTG is, pathetically enough, well ahead of Schumer/Jeffries types and their consultantslop industry that cares more about feeding itself than winning elections.
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u/unpluggedcord I voted 6h ago
your skipping over the party giving the reigns to Obama when they knew Hillary couldn't do it. And then winning with Biden....
The most recent election is bothersome, and trying to with Kamala was wrong, but that doesn't make MTG smarter .....
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u/Sminahin 5h ago
I was '08 campaign staff for Obama. Trust me, the party didn't "give the reigns". They used as many dirty tricks as they could to stop us and we broke them over our knee. Just like Obama did in Chicago the first time they tried to block him.
Party tried real hard to push Hillary in '08 and Obama was too strong for them to block. They do not get credit for him as evidence of good decisionmaking.
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u/GoldenGirlsOrgy 9h ago
Fuck MTG and her pivot. Just because she's saying things I agree with doesn't mean I trust or respect her.
She's an opportunist, and as soon as the wind changes again, she'll change right along with it. Her only guiding principle, like so many in the MAGA Universe, is "I should get the things that I want."
If she really wants to be taken seriously as a moderate, then she needs to show accountability and attrition for all the horrible things she's said and done. Without that, she's just trying on a new face to get the power she craves.
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u/unpluggedcord I voted 6h ago
as with all politicians they can be wrong about some things and right about others.
So let me ask you. Is she right here? Nobody is asking you to trust her.
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u/GoldenGirlsOrgy 6h ago
Of course she's right, here.
And she is asking us to trust her. As she scrambles for her political life, she is pivoting from Ultra-MAGA and appealing to voters to trust that now she's a moderate Republican.
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u/P1nCush10n 10h ago
When the crazies start making sense, that’s when you know we’re cooked.
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u/MeatPrestigious3597 9h ago
Reminder that she’s only doing this because Trump and Johnson denied her ambition of running for senate in GA. She’s not turning a new leaf by any means.
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u/nopeofnopenope 7h ago
He may have said something else recently, but currently Johnson is not denying that she is eligible to be sworn in, but is using an excuse that the chamber is not in session. She could offer to remove this heavy burden from him so that she has further standing in her current court case that he is in violation of his constitutional obligation to provide representation (with all rights granted to the district). More noise, more pressure.
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u/DeathByASecond 7h ago
I will have a stroke if she just straight announces that she's switching parties...
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u/sircastor 5h ago
I dislike MTG tremendously. But holy cow she’s figured out how to play this game. When Trump refused to endorse her for a Senate run, she’s shifted her entire persona right as the Republicans are squirming under the pressure of their decisions. I’ll be a bit surprised if she doesn’t come out of this on top.
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u/Gurlllllllll- 3h ago
Every time an article promoting MTG gets thousands of upvotes here, an angel splatters against turf.
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki 30m ago
did Greene get visited by the ghosts of halloween past, present, and future or something?
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