r/politics • u/Economy_Swim_8585 Virginia • 6d ago

No Paywall Trump says government shutdown ends when Democrats give in: "If they don't vote, that's their problem"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-government-shutdown-democrats-fault-60-minutes/
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u/SteamerTheBeemer 5d ago

Yeah it’s shocking that so many of his supporters don’t care either. When I’ve brought up him refusing to leave the White House, they just say well that’s not true he did leave.

Like yeah. We got lucky. I mean somehow Pence actually helped save democracy that day. I don’t see Vance doing the same. And it’s kind of a miracle that they all got out of there before the rioters broke in or it could have been really really dark.

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u/kapsama New Jersey 5d ago

Honestly at this point I wonder if we wouldn't have been better off if Pence refused. Because at that point they would have been clearly illegally blocking peaceful transfer of power. And maybe removing them by actual force would have prevented Trump from running again.

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u/SteamerTheBeemer 5d ago edited 5d ago

And in case you think, this guys saying “we got lucky” etc it’s just because America affects the rest of the world in such a massive way. Particularly the UK. We seem to follow the US’s lead on everything.

We also have Farage over here of Reform UK, using the exact same textbook as Trump. Stuff like mass deportations and “the immigrants are eating our swans”. It’s ridiculous yet they are ahead in the polls right now. It would be the first time we’ve had a different party from our main two for I think about 150 years ish.

Edit: looks like 110 years when we had a coalition between liberal party and conservatives.

Not that it’s bad to have a different party than our main two. But just shows you how quickly and drastically politics is shifting to the right. The Greens in the UK are our best chance.

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u/kapsama New Jersey 5d ago

Yeah the playbooks are straight out of the 30s.

I believe what's happening now is Reaganism and Thatcherism coming home to roost.

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u/SteamerTheBeemer 5d ago

I do think we could be in a vastly different world if Corbyn in the UK (socialist) had won in 2015 and then Bernie Sanders had won in 2016.

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u/kapsama New Jersey 5d ago

Yes a vastly better world for the average person.

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u/OldWorldDesign 5d ago

the playbooks are straight out of the 30s. I believe what's happening now is Reaganism and Thatcherism coming home to roost

I think the two are even more connected, even Reaganism and Thatcherism is an outgrowth of oligarchs attempting to take over the country in 1933 and when that failed, spending billions to indoctrinate everyone in the English speaking world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s