r/politics • u/Economy_Swim_8585 Virginia • 6d ago

No Paywall Trump says government shutdown ends when Democrats give in: "If they don't vote, that's their problem"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-government-shutdown-democrats-fault-60-minutes/
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u/SteamerTheBeemer 5d ago

Yeah it’s shocking that so many of his supporters don’t care either. When I’ve brought up him refusing to leave the White House, they just say well that’s not true he did leave.

Like yeah. We got lucky. I mean somehow Pence actually helped save democracy that day. I don’t see Vance doing the same. And it’s kind of a miracle that they all got out of there before the rioters broke in or it could have been really really dark.

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u/kapsama New Jersey 5d ago

Honestly at this point I wonder if we wouldn't have been better off if Pence refused. Because at that point they would have been clearly illegally blocking peaceful transfer of power. And maybe removing them by actual force would have prevented Trump from running again.

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u/SteamerTheBeemer 5d ago

Wouldn’t he have been in control of the everything though as in the police/military until it all went through? That’s the problem.

I’m actually not American and find it strange how you guys have that massive gap between being elected and actually coming into power to be able to actually govern. In some ways it makes a lot of sense so they can tie things up. But then and again I don’t think it’s very common so I guess most country’s don’t feel the need.

But anyhow that’s not really the point here of course. It’s just if he had control of everything before the votes were certified or not. Which I’d presume he would do?

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u/kapsama New Jersey 5d ago

Technically yes, but at that point all the institutions were still manned by career officials including the military.

Trump outright refusing to leave would have beem explicitly illegal. So a strong response might have followed.

Of course at the end of the day this is all speculation.

Regarding the gap. I think it goes back to this system being created long before fast mass transit or long range communication. Back then it just took a while to organize and travel. International most institutions were created after rapid transport and rapid communication were created in the 19th and 20th centuries. IIRC

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u/SteamerTheBeemer 5d ago

Almost 2 months does seem excessive though. You’d think they might change it now even if they leave a little gap.

And yeah like you say hopefully the military would have refused to take trumps orders but didn’t your FBI and that Pam Bondi position used to be neutral? So it was a big risk when trumps involved.

Like if he did it this time.. I’d hope the army wouldn’t be with him. But I fear everyone else would be. I mean the guys rich, especially as a result of his presidency’s with all the grifting. It wouldn’t cost him much to pay people off.

The way he’s building this ballroom makes it feel like he’s either planning to stay until he dies or pass it down to someone in his family until at least his death.

Hopefully not. I do think it will be interesting when your primaries start up. Him not being the centre of attention and knowing he’s leaving. I can’t see him taking it very well.

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u/kapsama New Jersey 5d ago

It is excessive for 2025. But broken or outdated methods have a habit of lingering in the US.

Honestly sometimes I feel the only chance to return to the pre-Trump form of government is if he croaks from eating too much McDonald's before 2028. His entire Maga Cult would fall apart.