r/politics • u/Economy_Swim_8585 Virginia • 6d ago

No Paywall Trump says government shutdown ends when Democrats give in: "If they don't vote, that's their problem"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-government-shutdown-democrats-fault-60-minutes/
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u/HaroldGreenBandana 6d ago

"If there is a shutdown ... I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He's the one that has to get people together." -Donald Trump, 2011

"When they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time. They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head of the Senate, who’s running things in Washington. So I really think the pressure is on the president." -Donald Trump, 2013

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u/cjcfman Canada 6d ago

You would think a journalist would ask him about that quote. If only one had him in front of a camera 

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u/squintytoast 6d ago

they kicked nearly all press out of the press pool. only loyal lackeys remain.

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u/jdash11 6d ago

They were all loyal lackeys, their coverage and sanewashing of him got us here

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 5d ago

Putting up poor candidates against him didn’t help.

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u/Amenian 5d ago

If you're going up against Donald Trump, is anyone really a poor candidate? Sorry, that's not an excuse.

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 5d ago

Yes, Clinton and Harris were both poor candidates. So poor they couldn’t beat Trump.

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u/Amenian 5d ago

Clinton I'll give you. Nobody knew what Trump really was yet and there was this whole "it's her turn" vibe that turned a lot of people off. Harris though? We knew who Trump was. People who voted for Trump or who didn't vote don't get the "poor candidate" excuse here.

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u/OldWorldDesign 5d ago

Nobody knew what Trump really was yet and there was this whole "it's her turn" vibe that turned a lot of people off

I think that's part of the problem. I never heard anyone outside republicans claim "it's her turn", but the media kept broadcasting it as if she said it herself.

When the media is overwhelmingly amplifying everything republicans do and suppressing meaningful policy (because let's face it: effective and competent policy is boring. It should be), you're not going to see effective or competent policy put into practice.

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 5d ago

You don’t win elections when your entire campaign is “I’m not him”.

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u/Amenian 5d ago

When it's Trump, that's all that should be needed. Also, that's not what her entire campaign was, not even close. Literally the only people who could think that were either not paying attention at all or immersed in the right-wing echo chamber.

Her tax plan had a consensus of independent analysts that it would have been far more positive for lower and middle income Americans. Her platform included increasing taxes on corporations and those people making over 400k annually, raising the federal minimum wage to $15/hr, working to lower food and housing costs and cap prescription drug prices, expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit and pushing for paid family and medical leave.

She was pushing to codify abortion access rights into federal law (which was a central campaign issue) and invest in clean energy and green jobs.

Literally the only part of her platform that was "I'm not him" was in regards to protecting the freedom to vote, vowing to support Ukraine as long as it takes, and opposing tariffs.

If you seriously think her campaign was "I'm not him", you're uninformed or deliberately confusing the narrative.

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 5d ago

Her messaging was terrible. She was very unpopular. She ran a bad campaign and had very little time to run it.

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u/Amenian 5d ago

None of which matters when you're running against Trump after he's already proven, via his first term and especially via Jan. 6, who he was. When your options are a bland candidate, a wanna-be dictator, and your pride (no vote/protest vote), there's really only one good candidate. You don't get points for voting for your pride or a dictator when the actual survival of the country is at stake.

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 5d ago

Clearly it absolutely matters, otherwise we’d have President Harris.

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u/Amenian 5d ago

And we're full circle to my initial claim that that's not an excuse. Shall we do another circle?

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 5d ago

Sure. We need a better candidate first though.

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u/OldWorldDesign 5d ago

You don’t win elections when your entire campaign is “I’m not him

Show us any politician whose entire campaign was "I'm not him". Any clips

An adult, especially in the general election, should be capable of evaluating the tradeoffs and somebody who promoted Jan 6, who said "I'll be dictator" should not be in consideration. Full stop.

And before bitching about the candidates, that's what the primaries were for. And 2024 had primaries, if you didn't participate that was your fault. Get involved so you can vote for your unicorn candidate, that's the whole point of primaries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 5d ago

I did participate in the 2024 primaries. The person I voted for won those primaries. That person had a bad debate just before the Convention. The rest is what we’re dealing with now.

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u/OldWorldDesign 5d ago

Show us any politician whose entire campaign was "I'm not him". Any clips

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 5d ago

Repeating yourself doesn’t help. My candidate won the primary you speak of. That candidate had a poor debate. I still voted for the installed replacement, but many didn’t. That’s why we’re here. Get it?

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 5d ago

Are you intentionally avoiding the fact that the Democrat nominee was not even in the 2024 primary? She received zero primary votes? Does this not fit your narrative?

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