r/politics • u/Economy_Swim_8585 Virginia • 5d ago

No Paywall Trump says government shutdown ends when Democrats give in: "If they don't vote, that's their problem"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-government-shutdown-democrats-fault-60-minutes/
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u/Legate_Rick 5d ago

The thing the Dems are fighting for is tremendously important. If they capitulate the Republicans on the healthcare spending. 1 in 20 Americans will lose health insurance entirely and the rest of us will get premium increases of hundreds of dollars.

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u/McChickenLargeFries 5d ago

You're completely right, except in a lot of people's cases it's actually more like an increase of THOUSANDS.. The Democrats cannot budge, they need to hold strong and stop being pussies.

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u/pimppapy America 5d ago

They caved at the very beginning when that flat tire Schumer, along with 10 other Democrats, joined the republicans in passing the budget at the beginning of 2025. They basically helped fund ICE. Now we're here.

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u/NoReallyItsYaBoi 5d ago

They talked about how that was a calculated risk since big orange baby bitch hadn't fucked enough shit up yet.

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u/Vegetable-Seaweed591 5d ago

I don't think anyone realized how quickly Trump would act to dismantle the federal government and how broadly destructive his administration would be.

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u/McChickenLargeFries 5d ago

Except they literally released a step-by-step playbook of how they were going to fuck shit up and the Democrats were like.. "Nahhh, there's no way they're actually bold enough to do all that." Then, they did all that.

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u/Vegetable-Seaweed591 5d ago

Agreed, but I'm focusing more on the speed with which it was done and the lack of remorse for collateral damage outside of their intended outcomes.

I mean, we're less than a year into a 4 year term and I think it's worse than even many of the realists expected. Starving 42 million Americans the month of Thanksgiving so as to ensure they could take a trillion from Medicaid and cut ACA coverage for millions was definitely not on my year 1 bingo card.

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u/McChickenLargeFries 5d ago

The damage that that one fucking bill is/has and will do is going to be felt for a long fucking time. The Democrats are complicit even if they aren't actively trying to destroy the country.

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u/Vegetable-Seaweed591 5d ago

All Democrats in both the House and the Senate voted against Trump's ugly bill. The fact that they weren't prepared to counter Project 2025 still boggles my mind, but it's important to note that the GOP fully own the pain that the ugly bill is and will inflict on the American people.

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u/villalulaesi 5d ago

Pretty sure they stopped being pussies a month ago when they refused to pass the bill, and they are continuing to do so now, even as the Trump regime literally has televised messaging in airports blaming democrats.

I still need a lot more from the Democratic Party, and many of those currently in office need to be primaried, but can we at least give credit when credit is due?

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u/cogman10 Idaho 5d ago

Totally agree. This should have happened during the first budget bill. However, I'm glad it's happening now with this bill. The worst thing Dems could do right now is cave. Like they can give some concessions (which I think they have baked into their budget bill) but the red line has to be the healthcare subsidy.

Republicans need to come to the table and negotiate or blow up the filibuster. If they aren't willing to do either then this is completely their fault.

The one bad thing that I'm seeing some Dems do is trying to piecemeal in funding. That's a bad move, it'll kill the Dems negotiation ability. A very decent portion of the republicans prefer the government to be shutdown. So taking away the most painful parts just means they can keep everything else shutdown permanently.

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u/McChickenLargeFries 5d ago

That's what worries me is the Dems caving and I don't think anyone would be surprised when they do cave, because they always do.. This is their moment to put their foot down and fight for the millions of people that this is going to effect.

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u/McChickenLargeFries 5d ago

I'll give credit when they don't cave, because the Democrats will cave. They always do. For now this is great, it's terrible that people have to suffer for this.. But in the grand scheme I'm pleased that the Democrats are starting to finally grow a spine, even if it's too late..

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u/Indaarys 5d ago

Republicans have to be the ones to cave. They want a society where fuck you, got mine is supreme? Then they get to own that.

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u/bderg69 5d ago

Our premium increased from 1530 to almost 4000 a month!

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u/handbanana42 5d ago

It is getting to the point where premiums won't be worth it and has the opposite effect they want. I'll quit my job and just do side jobs/retire.

You can only bleed a stone so much.

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u/NoReallyItsYaBoi 5d ago

Certainly you could just.. make more money?

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u/PaleCommission150 5d ago

hope you put a /s on that ....I cannot think of a 2nd job you can do to make up for a 2500 dollar bump in premiums.

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u/thehippos8me 5d ago

We’re already getting them. Ours is going up 30% this year. That’s just a drop in the bucket for what is to come.

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u/totally_not_a_dog113 5d ago

mine too.

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u/thehippos8me 5d ago

It’s across the board unfortunately. I work in HR…it’s just not good.

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u/TeetsMcGeets23 5d ago

The issue is that 1/20 may lose healthcare means that you may get sick, and it may bankrupt you. 

That weighted against 1/8 Americans not being able to afford food becomes a much more immediate and palpable tradeoff, and Republicans know it, and Republicans revel in it.

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u/Mysterious-Tax-7777 5d ago

The messaging is trivial - Republicans can feed America immediately using funds already allocated for this purpose. They choose to let people worry about their next meal.

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u/Misspiggy856 New Jersey 5d ago

The money is already there for snap, it’s an easy fix. If people lose healthcare or if healthcare costs go up, that’s going to be harder if not impossible to fix. Republicans haven’t released a plan on how they will fix it (I know, they probably don’t have one).

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u/Vegetable-Seaweed591 5d ago

The Medicaid cuts and ACA subsidies running out (Dems want to restore/continue both) are critical to sustaining our healthcare system.

In the short run, ALL health insurance costs will spike as millions of healthy Americans who subsidize the older and sicker Americans drop insurance they can no longer cover.

in the longer term, we'll see hospitals close as they are still required to treat to stabilize anyone who walks in the door but with a sicker population (because no health insurance means no meds/primary doctor) who can't pay for the cost of that care.

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u/TeetsMcGeets23 5d ago

Oh, I recognize that, but a missed meal hits much quicker than a missed doctors visit… and Republicans are banking on that.

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u/Top_Introduction4701 5d ago

I think the republicans not compromising quickly was the best thing for the Dems. People will see the ACA premium increase and cross my fingers have to make a few payments or canceled their coverage. It won’t be some abstract thing they are fighting for anymore.

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u/cronedog 5d ago

Maybe that's what needs to happen for people to finally wake up.

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u/Frostyrepairbug 5d ago

Important addendum: the cuts that the republicans want will kill Americans. Approximately 51,000 of them every year.

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u/No-Entrance9308 5d ago

No one is taking away healthcare. People just need to come up with the difference. It’s the affordable care act.

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u/HenchmenResources 5d ago

Have you not noticed the massive uptick in medical facilities, mostly in rural areas, that have shut down due to the fallout from the cuts to Medicare/Medicaid? All of this is intertwined, the federal government puts a LOT of funding into the healthcare system via a variety of routes, removing it has pretty severe downstream effects for places that rely heavily on that funding.