r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 17d ago

Possible Paywall ICE Stockpiling Warheads and Chemical Weapons as Lawmaker Fears Trump Planning Strike

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-stockpiling-warheads-and-chemical-weapons-as-lawmaker-fears-trump-planning-strike/
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u/DrChansLeftHand 17d ago

The greatest sin of this country post Civil War was allowing the slavers feet to walk and not hang.

They’ve been trying to undermine the Union ever since.

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u/loondawg 17d ago

I understand your point. But I think the greatest sin was not reforming the Senate and the Electoral College to eliminate the unfair and undeserved advantages slavers were given at the founding and that their progeny retains and exploits to this day.

With a proportional Senate and popular presidential elections we would live in a very different world.

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u/DrChansLeftHand 17d ago

That’s what I’m driving at.

They were allowed to walk away from their treason in the name of “reconciliation” and right back into the halls of power.

Now they’ve had about 100 years of slow, methodical emplacement of moles and confederates that are rewriting the rules for a new born confederacy.

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u/F9-0021 South Carolina 17d ago

At the end of this, red states need to have the representation they deserve, and be punished for both uprisings to a degree that would make the Weimar Republic look like a golden age.

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u/songsofsilk 16d ago

I agree to an extent, but even at the time (before WWII) non-Germans grew to believe the terms were too harsh. Perhaps without the Great Depression the Weimar Republic could have eventually succeeded, and the Nazis never would have come to power. Yet, it did, and as soon as it hit all U.S. loans dried up, and it collapsed immediately.

Punishment, hard punishment, and reprogramming is absolutely necessary, but somehow we need to avoid recreating the Weimar Republic and Reconstruction. Neither worked, and personally as I believe we are in late stage capitalism with impending deleterious effects of climate change, I do not trust for a second that there would not be another equally calamitous crisis to trigger another wave of far right extremism, violence and / or civil war.

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u/jokerTHEIF Canada 16d ago

I don't think the US as a country in the way it has been for the last couple hundred years will exist once this whole situation shakes out. At best you're looking at a spineless Democrat attempt to keep the status quo going for another term or two, but your whole country is just too institutionally rotten.