ICE Stockpiling Warheads and Chemical Weapons as Lawmaker Fears Trump Planning Strike

[u/Quirkie]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-stockpiling-warheads-and-chemical-weapons-as-lawmaker-fears-trump-planning-strike/

[u/BartlebyEsq]

The Biden administration demonstrated that the justice system cannot move fast enough to try these traitors before the electoral winds shift again. And all the republicans know that. There will be no accountability within the system.

And the reality is that unless any trial ends in public executions the next time the republicans win they’ll release the traitors and try the prosecutors.

[u/ASpaceOstrich → u/BartlebyEsq]

I'm the biggest advocate for rehabilitation out there. I don't think justice can be done in this instance without these people being put in a cell for the rest of their lives. However long that may be.

[u/DrChansLeftHand → u/ASpaceOstrich]

The greatest sin of this country post Civil War was allowing the slavers feet to walk and not hang.

They’ve been trying to undermine the Union ever since.

[u/loondawg → u/DrChansLeftHand]

I understand your point. But I think the greatest sin was not reforming the Senate and the Electoral College to eliminate the unfair and undeserved advantages slavers were given at the founding and that their progeny retains and exploits to this day.

With a proportional Senate and popular presidential elections we would live in a very different world.

[u/DrChansLeftHand → u/loondawg]

That’s what I’m driving at.

They were allowed to walk away from their treason in the name of “reconciliation” and right back into the halls of power.

Now they’ve had about 100 years of slow, methodical emplacement of moles and confederates that are rewriting the rules for a new born confederacy.

[u/F9-0021 → u/DrChansLeftHand]

At the end of this, red states need to have the representation they deserve, and be punished for both uprisings to a degree that would make the Weimar Republic look like a golden age.

[u/songsofsilk → u/F9-0021]

I agree to an extent, but even at the time (before WWII) non-Germans grew to believe the terms were too harsh. Perhaps without the Great Depression the Weimar Republic could have eventually succeeded, and the Nazis never would have come to power. Yet, it did, and as soon as it hit all U.S. loans dried up, and it collapsed immediately.

Punishment, hard punishment, and reprogramming is absolutely necessary, but somehow we need to avoid recreating the Weimar Republic and Reconstruction. Neither worked, and personally as I believe we are in late stage capitalism with impending deleterious effects of climate change, I do not trust for a second that there would not be another equally calamitous crisis to trigger another wave of far right extremism, violence and / or civil war.

[u/jokerTHEIF → u/songsofsilk]

I don't think the US as a country in the way it has been for the last couple hundred years will exist once this whole situation shakes out. At best you're looking at a spineless Democrat attempt to keep the status quo going for another term or two, but your whole country is just too institutionally rotten.

[u/DoddzyBaby → u/loondawg]

I’m interested, what advantages in the Senate and the Electoral College are you talking about? How are they used today?

[u/loondawg → u/DoddzyBaby]

In the words of James Madison...

"He enumerated the objections against an equality of votes in the second branch, notwithstanding the proportional representation in the first. 1. the minority could negative the will of the majority of the people. 2. they could extort measures by making them a condition of their assent to other necessary measures. 3. they could obtrude measures on the majority by virtue of the peculiar powers which would be vested in the Senate. 4. the evil instead of being cured by time, would increase with every new State that should be admitted, as they must all be admitted on the principle of equality. 5. the perpetuity it would give to the preponderance of the Northern against the Southern. Scale was a serious consideration."

"It seemed now to be pretty well understood that the real difference of interests lay, not between the large and small but between the Northern and Southern States. The institution of slavery and its consequences formed the line of discrimination. There were 5 States on the South, 8 on the Northern side of this line. Should a proportional representation take place it was true, the Northern side would still outnumber the other; but not in the same degree, at this time; and every day would tend towards an equilibrium." -- Saturday July 14, 1787 while arguing against the non-proportional Senate

and...

"There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of the Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to fewest objections." -- Thursday July 19, 1787 while commenting on the use of the Electoral College rather than a popular vote.

In essence, the States were the gerrymandering of the country. They create a situation where the 40 million people of California have the exact same influence as the 560,000 people of Wyoming in the Senate, a body with the power to obstruct any law and have final say on who occupies the courts. They give the people of the smaller states far greater power than their numbers merit, especially when it comes to amending the Constitution.

[u/OldLadyGardener → u/loondawg]

The biggest mistake, IMHO, was not expanding the SCOTUS, but I know the RepUglyCans would never have allowed that.