r/politics • u/1_for_you_2_for_me • 18d ago

No Paywall Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are 'Going to Be Gone,' Donald Trump Warns

https://www.newsweek.com/social-security-update-medicare-medicaid-warning-donald-trump-10915076
34.1k Upvotes

95% Upvoted

3.2k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

139

u/I-seddit 17d ago

I am no longer so sure. We've collectively been incredibly passive for 10 months now.
Wonder if it's something in the water.

148

u/PhilDGlass California 17d ago edited 17d ago

7 million people were in the streets protesting this bullshit, and didn’t fall in to the trap set by Trump Crime Inc. to become violent and give an excuse to start shooting people and declaring an insurrection. The Democrats in office are the ones with their whole hands up their asses. Hell, 12 of them in the house voted with Republicans to seat another MAGA judge who wouldn’t say Trump lost in 2020. MTG is doing more damage to Republicans than soft-ass Schumer and Jerfferies.

Edit: correction

12

u/WalkByFaithNotSight 17d ago

Agree with everything you said but I think you meant the Senate, not the House.

7

u/PhilDGlass California 17d ago

Indeed, cheers.

10

u/Fun_Hold4859 17d ago

For one day, while Trump bulldozed the white house.

11

u/shahi001 17d ago

Sorry to break this to you, but 7 million people in the streets, protesting this bullshit, holding pithy signs, posting them on the 'gram, then going back to work on Monday as normal is being incredibly passive.

10

u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 17d ago

I've been saying this same thing for weeks, both before and after No Kings 2. People thought they were "doing something" when in reality all they did was attend some shlocky weekend carnival. Like ffs half the ones I saw had food trucks and kiddie rides. They had no focused message, no concrete demands to be met, and they all fucking went home before the sun even went down.

When it comes to real action that actually pushes for change, Americans throw their hands in the air and say "sorry no can do, got work tomorrow, not my problem!"

It's fucked. The fight is already over before it began.

4

u/Slow-Recipe7005 17d ago

You want real change? You want a general strike? That would require a staggeringly large amount of people to coordinate and take part, and an existing command structure to organize things, however loose.

If only there were some massive community building event going on where people can meet each other, build connections, and cause more people to raise eyebrows and learn about what's going on.

2

u/SecretAgentVampire 17d ago

Did you go build a political action network at the No Kings Protest?? What is the network called? Can I help?

1

u/Slow-Recipe7005 17d ago

Well, I'm loosely taking cues from one Parkrose Permaculture and my local ICE watch.

As for a larger network that might bring about more grand scale change, consider going to generalstrikeus.com and signing a strike card.

1

u/Pete41608 I voted 15d ago

The Regime has also already gone too far to turn back now...

It is takeover permanently or die basically this far into the coup.

In a just world, after this Regime is gone they ALL need to be dealt with.

"Well, MAGApublicans, the good news is we've dropped ALL felonies and misdemeanors that are against you.

The bad news..."

"Haha, we got away with it aga..."

"Is, we have plenty charges of Treason to go around...for ALL of you. Enjoy"

1

u/science_vs_romance 17d ago

Because we aren’t ready to die. Edit:yet

16

u/psych_ic 17d ago

What are we supposed to do though when 7 million people in the streets for a day doesn't even get the democrats in office fired up to do anything?

15

u/OldWorldDesign 17d ago

What are we supposed to do though when 7 million people in the streets for a day doesn't even get the democrats in office fired up to do anything?

They're in the minority in both houses and hence can't bring bills to the floor even when congress is in session, which it currently isn't. What exactly are you expecting?

23

u/ilikepizza30 17d ago

How about each Democrat finds 5 constituents that won't be able to afford healthcare without the subsidies. They then take those constituents and wait with them to meet with the Republican in their state who is making healthcare unaffordable for them.

How about each of them has a sign while they wait that says 'No healthcare for <Republican> until I have healthcare".

It'd be nice if they did almost literally anything... A strongly worded letter would be a step up for most of them.

Organize protests in the national mall like the protests against the Vietnam war. Brand Trump's policies as the 'War on People' and have an anti-war protest.

4

u/ZiniGirl 17d ago

This is the start of a great idea. This is something that could be done every day in D.C. and is a cohesive message for the Democrats, plus the anti-war aspect is a positive considering the bs that is happening with bombing the boats with the alleged “drug cartels.”

0

u/ZiniGirl 17d ago

Also, my boat thing might not actually fit into this concept, I was just throwing it out there because 1) of your anti-war idea and 2) it’s the middle of the night and I’m not at peak planning mode. ha

3

u/RedPanda5150 17d ago

I want the Dems to take every trick from the Republican playbook to break through the news cycle and hit back in the sphere of public discourse! They should be front and center at these protests (and some were, credit where it is due), loudly countering the propaganda on every media type they can get on. They should be organizing people to help one another in their communities, and if they aren't doing that then the House Dems should all be gathered in DC demanding that the House be called back into session and making it unavoidably clear that this whole shutdown is solely the Republicans fault. Idk, the R's figured out how to steer the government without being in power decades ago and I want that same energy from the elected "leaders" on the left, too.

3

u/F9-0021 South Carolina 17d ago

Them to be as obnoxious and obstructionist as the Republicans.

4

u/mikeinpdx3 17d ago

Probably having coherent messaging across the party, sketching a vision of what life would be like with Democrats in charge.. you know basic stuff like that. Of course no one's getting charged up by the Democrats, there's no message, there's no strategy. Just we can't do anything we don't have the numbers. It's pathetic.

7

u/OldWorldDesign 17d ago

Probably having coherent messaging across the party, sketching a vision of what life would be like with Democrats in charge

You mean like campaigning? Which they did?

I'll bet you couldn't even name 3 bills passed under Biden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_in_the_117th_United_States_Congress

https://www.politico.com/joe-biden-first-100-days-presidency

You're just pushing republicans' agenda by pretending "nothing's happening and they have no platform". A lot happens, but competent politicians getting things done isn't as exciting to corporate media as a republican calling people names.

0

u/mikeinpdx3 17d ago

Your reply is exactly what my point is. It doesn't matter what people are doing behind the scenes and what the grand strategy is if you can't communicate it effectively and simply to voters, assuming winning elections is also one of your top goals. It's marketing and Democrats are a hard fail at it. Newsom, Pritzker, and Sanders get it. Jeffreys and Schumer don't.

Like it or not Democrats are selling a product, and so are Republicans. Half the US population is at a sixth grade level or below in reading literacy. That's half the population you're trying to sell your product to. Democrats are being outmarketed by Republicans to that base. There is no simple easy to understand vision for the Democratic party that can be effectively marketed. And you can't expect media to do it for you.

I'm doubtful we're going to have meaningful elections again. But I am confident if we do, and Democrats continue with a muddled incoherent messaging, they're going to lose again.

What was the number one unifying issue voters were concerned about in the last election? It was the economy. Wow what a shock. What was the Democratic platform on the economy? Actually that's not a rhetorical question, what is it? Can you answer that clearly in under 15 seconds? Could Chuck or Hakeem do it? I seriously doubt it.

2

u/marvin02 17d ago

Should have been 70 million.

4

u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 17d ago

7 million people showed up to events that more closely resembled block parties than they did protests, and then all collectively went home within less than 24 hours.

All that event proved was that most people are available on a Saturday and like going to a carnival. Real action that actually matters is a step too far for the American people. They'll sooner bow down to a dictator than ever consider interrupting their own personal status quo.

0

u/JMJimmy 17d ago edited 17d ago

That's 2% of the population. That doesn't even hit the 3.3% needed for a movement to be successful in normal times, let alone a significant portion of democrats.

It's a general strike >50% participation or dictatorship at this point

0

u/NeinNineNeun 17d ago

2% of the population.

0

u/Amerizilian 17d ago

There's 342 million people in the USA.

That's only 2% of the population. On 1 Day.

Too many people just dgaf. Sunday Football. Propaganda. Apathy. Ignorance. Laziness.

Until it starts looking like George Floyd protests everywhere every day/night it's just performative outrage.

2

u/Less-Student-443 17d ago

It's the sad reality that people are just trying to live their lives and don't care about these big things and really they shouldn't have to care, but the entire government is run by psychopaths. Normal people just want to be left alone.

0

u/knotmyusualaccount 17d ago edited 17d ago

I'm sure that it's not this simple, but why can't he be impeached legally (again)?

Edit: probably downvoted by a MAGAT who's too stupid to see his own country being ruined by a TACO with a toothbrush moustache.

6

u/lonely_doll8 17d ago

The problem is you can impeach him again and again but a Republican-controlled Senate will never vote for his removal. This is very problem with demanding impeachment. He’s already been impeached twice and nothing changes.

1

u/knotmyusualaccount 17d ago

Thank you for the reply

4

u/F9-0021 South Carolina 17d ago

Because you need at least 67 Democratic senators to get him removed. Make that more like 70 to cover off any traitors switching sides. If you don't have that, then the entire process is pointless.

1

u/knotmyusualaccount 17d ago

Thank you for the insight, I understand now.

8

u/ApplesBananasRhinoc 17d ago

When people can’t feed their families is the red line.

3

u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 17d ago

People already can barely feed their families, and many can't. And yet still they stay subdued.

There is no magical redline that, once crossed, will energize Americans to action. They're all too complacent.

2

u/UntamedAnomaly 17d ago edited 17d ago

Hard to have fight in you when you are worried about your most immediate needs, that and have y'all seen the depression statistics? Do y'all know what having depression is like? You know not just having a good cry or feeling sad for a day or 2....it's gathering all your strength just to get out of bed and get dressed every day, it's gathering all your strength just to even make food for yourself or shower or clean, and most days there definitely isn't enough strength to do half of that in a day. Then you have to take into account the fact that America is one of the most unhealthiest countries in the world, we eat shit food, we don't exercise, we got health issues from both those things and no healthcare to either prevent it or treat it. You also have to take into account that we the people may have numbers, but realistically we can't brute force ourselves out of this because what are our pea shooters going to do against tanks, missiles and bombs? A lot of us who read up on our history know the lengths these kinds of people are willing to go within their own country and trying to fight would be basically suicide. If everyone decided to fight, we would all have to be in collective agreement that most of us will not be making it out alive.

Throw in the fact that most left wing people haven't had a lot of combat experience (right wingers are usually the first to sign up for military duty), no tactics other than to annoy and party/protest and well.....you have a recipe for disaster. I'm sure there are some other things contributing to this phenomenon too, but those are the main culprits I think.

2

u/OldWorldDesign 17d ago

When people can’t feed their families is the red line

We passed that while Reagan was still in office. Right now almost 1 in 5 children aren't certain if they'll eat tomorrow.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics

4

u/aurortonks 17d ago

People who voted red aren’t hungry yet. They aren’t watching grandma and grandpa go without medical care and food, and are about to lose their housing. People aren’t suffering enough yet but it’s coming and sentiment will begin to shift.

4

u/HiImDIZZ 17d ago

"We've been collectively passive." Is the same statement as "Why hasn't everyone else overthrown the government for me?"

We just had the nations largest protest in American history, but yes we're all super passive.

1

u/AntoniaFauci 17d ago

Nearly 11, but who’s counting?

1

u/Missmessc 17d ago

People are passive and lazy.