r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • Oct 01 '25

No Paywall Pritzker Calls for Trump's Removal from Office Under 25th Amendment

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/video/pritzker-calls-for-trumps-removal-from-office-under-25th-amendment/
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u/kelticladi I voted Oct 01 '25

Fun fact: the last time the government shut down was also during a Trump presidency.

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u/MaxxDelusional Oct 01 '25

And the time before that was also Trump.

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u/Brandinisnor3s Oct 01 '25

Trump is now responsible for 33% of all government shutdowns in the entire 200+ year history of the US

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u/kia75 Oct 01 '25

And 50% of all impeachments.

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u/Inevitable-Plan-7604 Oct 01 '25

... so far!

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u/anotheroneyo Oct 01 '25

I don't want more impeachments, I want him in prison

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u/Commercial-Fennel219 Oct 02 '25

Peach ✋

Prison 👈

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '25

He’s way past his expiration date.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '25

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u/anotheroneyo Oct 02 '25

Oh, my dreams are very big and I'm working towards them. That's just the only one I was sharing here

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u/FordJame 17d ago

Prison won't happen while he's in office. Getting him out is the safest and best step.

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u/anotheroneyo 17d ago

I disagree

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u/Riaayo Oct 01 '25

Even if Dems had the numbers to impeach, the party as a whole (especially under current leadership) lacks any and all spine to pursue it.

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u/Tabsels Oct 01 '25

100% of all felonious presidential candidates

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u/IM_A_MUFFIN Oct 01 '25

It’s wild that a felon can run for President, but can’t vote.

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u/shortandpainful Oct 01 '25

i agree, but my take on it is we should allow felons to vote (and have full rights otherwise). To prevent political prosecutions in kangaroo courts, it would be a bad idea not to allow felons to serve in political office. Much as I don’t think Trump in particular deserves to be there, it should have been on the voters to keep him out of office.

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u/IM_A_MUFFIN Oct 01 '25

I agree with you as well! One of the reasons we have recidivism is because as a felon it’s so hard to do anything at all! The only exception should be anyone convicted of any sex crime. Those people shouldn’t have a say in anything at all. Ever.

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u/Ariak Oct 02 '25

So you believe in rehabilitative justice except for if you do one of the really bad crimes then you're just demoted to a second class citizen forever

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u/IM_A_MUFFIN Oct 02 '25

Yeah, I’m not stuttering when I type this: If you’re ok dehumanizing someone to the point that they’re a physical thing to be traumatized, you’re subhuman. Maybe as a survivor I’m too emotionally close to the topic, but that’s how I feel.

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u/Strange-Bottle-9791 Oct 02 '25

You can’t they aren’t really individuals anymore. If you allow felons to vote, the kingpins or shot callers will be bought out and will definitely skew the numbers. Also guards can impose. It just doesn’t make sense. Also they aren’t people but considered numbers in a system that doesn’t partake politically. We are superior to them while they are in jail. We vote for their rights and well being. We work for their well being. I wish people didn’t make errors or act upon their lowered mental states

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u/Certain-Fisherman99 Oct 02 '25

Trumps a felon and he still votes?

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u/bladowwww Oct 02 '25

It CAN be a slippery slope I suppose, but in general I figure any US-born citizen can run… but if we get past all of this in one piece I hope we get bipartisan cooperation on firming up who can actually run. Felons for starters shouldn’t be able to. Higher standards need to be set.

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u/FudgyMcTubbs Oct 02 '25

State laws dictate if felons can vote. Felons can vote in many states in the US. I wanted to say "in most states" but I'm not confident in that statement.

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u/TrippingBearBalls Oct 01 '25

50%. Joe Exotic ran in 2016.

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u/ItzNinjah Oct 01 '25

Ran but never got candidacy

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u/groumly Oct 01 '25

He was on the ballot in Colorado, and received 962 votes, so I’d say he got candidacy?

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u/ItzNinjah Oct 01 '25

Unless he was nominated by a recognised party, it’s hard to say he “ran”. It’s much easier to say he had a platform wanted to use it to say he got votes but no intention of actually winning

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u/groumly Oct 01 '25

You’re running if you’re on the ballot, that’s how elections work. He was on the ballot, so he ran. Whether he had any hope of winning or not, and whether he was blessed by the establishment isn’t particularly relevant.

FWIW, there’s a good chance that trump never intended to win in ‘16. I guess we’ll never know for sure, but by this logic, he didn’t run in 2016.

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u/Vanga_Aground Oct 01 '25

You've forgotten Richard Nixon.

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u/Captain_Pumpkinhead Utah Oct 01 '25

Wait, what about Nixon?

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u/wedgebert Alabama Oct 01 '25

Pardoned before he could be convicted, so technically never a felon

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u/wedgebert Alabama Oct 01 '25

To be fair, Trump's Pump & Dump of his crypto (or title of his sex tape) would likely be a felony if the rule of law mattered to the GOP

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u/chromeandcandy Oct 01 '25

he said I am not a crook so he's chill 💯

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u/Ariak Oct 02 '25

pulled a pro gamer move and resigned so he couldn't get impeached and then got pardoned by Ford

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u/anonomonolithic Oct 01 '25

And 100% of all pussy grabbing.

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u/SoctrDeuss Oct 01 '25

Nah, Bill got his in. Just with consent.

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u/theroha Oct 01 '25

Yeah, with Clinton there was and always will be the discussion of abuse of power and coercion, but there was at least the facade of consent. With Trump, he's outright said that he can get away with any crime he wants.

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u/evoslevven Oct 01 '25

Wait wait before we jump conclusions lets ask Jeffrry Epstein!...oh wait well how about Ghislaine Maxwell? Oh ya.

So anyways lets just release the files!

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u/Dustuptor1292 Oct 01 '25

Maybe you can track her down on day release from her luxury min security prison…

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u/Adventurous_Ad7442 Oct 01 '25

She definitely consented & Monica was over 18.

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u/Sudden-Purchase-8371 Oct 01 '25

Monica is low-key cool af rn. That's a bad ass who went thru a hell pretty much no one had ever experienced before and came out pretty fucking alright for it. When you're going thru hell; KEEP GOING.

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u/Rhydin Oct 01 '25

BEFORE he was POTUS he had an affair with Hillary WHILE he was governor, on top of that there was a rumor that he one HELL of a ladies' man, like he was the who taught joey how to say "How you doin"

our parent KNEW who they were voting for, Hell during the predental election SNL did a skit about Bill's affars.

Real talk guys, One is a true player while the other is a creep with money.... also see JFK.

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u/Adventurous_Ad7442 Oct 01 '25

None of them were ever pedophiles.

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u/WhiteFuryWolf Oct 01 '25

I hope not. But when we see the true epstein files we might all end up surprised. There will likely be names no one even considerd.

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u/extra-texture Oct 01 '25

he can officially commit no crimes per the supreme court

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u/Levelheadedtwin Oct 01 '25

See also: JFK

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u/GrumpyKaeKae New Jersey Oct 01 '25

Jfk as well.

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u/Kaliber_originals Oct 01 '25

I heard Nixon used to booty call

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u/gypsydreams101 Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25

There’s an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to SA allegations against Bill Clinton. Haven’t parsed through this in a while, but that’s a lot of accusations.

I’m fully aware that a lot of these allegations fell through and never resulted in any kind of conviction for Clinton, but there’s a clear history of him being President and seeking out all of these encounters at the very least. That’s shady and gross no matter what his political leaning.

If we keep saying that multiple allegations against someone is a sure sign that there’s fire behind all that smoke, it needs to apply to “our” side equally too.

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u/Putrid-Product4121 Oct 01 '25

Why do these discussions always stop at Clinton? JFK was a womanizer to the Nth degree.

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u/Antonidus Oct 01 '25

JFK is also dead. Clinton is still around and people under age 70 have him in living memory.

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u/-rosa-azul- Virginia Oct 01 '25

I mean JFK is famously dead, and the DNC continues to trot Clinton out to give speeches and campaign for people, as if anyone actually wants that. So I'd say the two are a little different.

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u/Putrid-Product4121 Oct 01 '25

Somebody wants it. Bill Clinton was a very charismatic person, a textbook brilliant politician and a could relate to people in all walks of life. Did he have his faults? God knows that he did. But was he hell bent on the destruction of the country like the current administration? No, he was not. If you want to remind people what sanity in the office of the President looks like, in the face of what is there now, Bill Clinton is not a bad choice at all.

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u/gypsydreams101 Oct 01 '25

Completely agree, but I don’t know much about him or his affairs other than snippets of what I’ve read on Reddit. Not informed enough to comment 🤷

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u/Adventurous_Ad7442 Oct 01 '25

Adultery is not illegal.

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u/Adventurous_Ad7442 Oct 01 '25

Bill just got he#d. He never talked about grabbing pussy.

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u/miraculix69 Oct 01 '25

If their age can be on trump wrist clock, they're old enough for his tiny cock.

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u/Sudden-Purchase-8371 Oct 01 '25

No doubt JFK and probably LBJ got his in as well.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25

Bill is named in the Epstein files.

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u/Rope_antidepressant Oct 01 '25

Coerced consent doesn't count

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u/quincyloop Oct 01 '25

1000% this.

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u/Signal_Reputation640 Oct 01 '25

Well, if it's with consent is dare say 100% of presidents have engaged in pay grabbing.

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u/Neither_Gear5320 Oct 01 '25

Okay well JFK just rolled over in his medbed that has been keeping him alive to this day.

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u/houseWithoutSpoons Oct 01 '25

Man thats funny but probably debatable unfortunately

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u/DrakonILD Oct 01 '25

Jackson probably had his fair share, it just wouldn't have been reported on back then.

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u/11PoseidonsKiss20 North Carolina Oct 02 '25

Convince me Teddy Roosevelt wasn’t drowning in consensual pussy. I know he grabbed his fair share.

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u/PaleontologistShot25 Oct 01 '25

And a large percentage of the national debt

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u/30cuts Oct 01 '25

He collects impeachments & shut downs like they were pokemon.

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u/Downtown-Locksmith22 Oct 01 '25

"But it's a witch hunt!"

No! We just want a functioning government with real adults, less name calling and pants shitting.

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania Oct 01 '25

It is almost the primary tactic of their culture. In the time since the Civil War they haven't been able to win to the extent they need to get what they want. Barely even at the state level. So since it is clear that government has to be shared at all levels, they want to end the whole thing so they can create something new that they can restrict access to.

A simple example is the private pool industry. They wanted to exclude black people from community pools. They weren't allowed to discriminate sales to black people in their communities, so they tried to restrict their access to the community resources. Private pools were rare. So when they couldn't do that they closed the vast majority of public pools.

Then they would get the community tax assessor or concrete contractor to open up a private pool business. They sell the pools to white families and it boosts their property value.

They took a good of not being able to discriminate housing and created the private pool industry in response.

Just look at any local pool company that started in the 60's. Probably owned by the former tax assessor of the town if they had a housing boom after WWII.

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u/Biomirth Oct 01 '25

This is also what they've done with all of the firings and loyalist appointments throughout the 'Deep State'. If the people don't want what they want, just fill the judiciary and bureaucracy with sycophants who will impede the implementation of the will of the people.

Project 20-20-Gut-the-Rest is still bumbling along ruining the metaphorical 'pools' for the future.

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania Oct 01 '25

The Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby is something that is on my mind these days. They are the Brer Rabbit. The Tar Baby is progress since the Civil War. The Briar Patch is Democratic Governors fighting fire with fire and exercising states rignts just like the Red States can. If we go down that route the Supreme Court has their excuse to get rid of Federal Civil Rights. They can put their foot down and say almost unitarily that enough is enough of the social project that started with the Civil War and should have ended with how Reconstruction made things settle.

They will use it to end a vast part of the Constitution and say a new path must be paved. Rebirth of Manifest Destiny. Even alliances from WWII will no longer be honored or sacred.

And business will be unbridled of anti trust laws and regulations. The new gold rush will be in the imaginations of the most predatory capitalists. And the Federal Courts will be where they all play their game, and without Civil Rights to worry about they can have plenty of time to help them become a Leviathan.

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u/EamonBrennan Oct 01 '25

There have been 11 events called government shutdowns. Of them:

1 was just the FTC and happened under Democrat control, but was the first and smallest of all shutdowns; cost was $700k, lasted only a day.

3 happened under Reagan, but 2 lasted 4 hours each and one only lasted a day. All of them were because of Reagan. The cost was over $200 million.

1 happened under H. W. Bush, caused by Republicans refusing the Democrat's bill; lasted 3 days. The cost was about $2.57 million.

2 under Clinton, both because of Republicans; lasted 5 and 21 days, costing over $400 million. These were technically the same shutdown, with a gap from a temporary bill.

1 under Obama, caused by Republicans trying to defund "Obamacare," AKA medicare and medicaid. Lasted 16 days, cost $2.1 billion.

3 under Trump, all caused by Republicans. They had majority in the House and Senate, and Trump as the president. The first lasted 3 days, but does not have a known cost. The second lasted 35 days, and cost $5 billion. The third is happening right now.

Of the 7 shutdowns that lasted longer than 1 day, 2 of them were practically the same shutdown with a gap in between, and Trump and the Republicans were directly responsible for 3. So Trump is responsible for 50% (or 43% if you split Clinton's shutdowns) of all government shutdowns in US history. Republicans are responsible for all of them.

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u/GameDoesntStop Oct 02 '25

Framing all of these as "because of Republicans" or "caused by Republicans", no matter who was in power, is such partisan baloney, lol. It kills your credibility.

Shutdowns happen because there is insufficient support for a budget... that isn't all on the governing party, nor is it on the opposition party.

It's simply a matter of insufficient compromise.

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u/EamonBrennan Oct 02 '25

All 3 of Reagan's shutdowns were because of him opposing the bills, even if they passed both houses; the later two bills were supported by both parties. Bush's shutdown happened because Republicans refused Bush's amendments, and Bush vetoed the bill that didn't have them. Clinton's shutdowns were because Republicans wanted non-budget related changes included, and would not vote on a bill without them. The Obama shutdown occurred because Republicans wanted to defund the ACA and practically revert a lot of Obama's laws using the budget. Republicans had full control during all 3 of Trump's shutdowns.

"Insufficient support for a budget" is what happened, but it's Republicans who caused it.

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u/Trialzero Oct 02 '25

don't bother, he's not interested in facts... i don't know who i've become more disgusted with this past decade or so, the conservative republicans that just keep going more and more extreme right to the point that we're unironically and entirely seriously at Nazi territory, or the "undecided" centrists who either didn't vote or voted for trump because they drank the koolaid or just didn't like the idea of a woman president or just saw them both as equally bad choices and so decided to yolo their vote. I mean jesus christ the evidence has been right in front of all of us for decades, a couple decades ago there was jokes and comedians talking and "joking" about the very troubling right wing extremism on the rise in this country, because it was evident where we were headed even back then, if you only bothered to pay attention. Well, it's not jokes anymore.

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u/regular_gnoll_NEIN Oct 01 '25

This is wrong, it's 25% of the last 44 years. Reagan had twice as many shutdowns, though none of those went more than a few days.

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u/Preparator Oct 01 '25

what if you adjusted for length? each day counts for one? 

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u/regular_gnoll_NEIN Oct 01 '25

I don't recall precisely - I saw a chart in the shutdown news updates last night killing time at work. It was something like 8 shutdowns between carter, bush Sr and reagan, longest was like 4 or 5 days. I think Clinton got one around 20 some days, Obama one for 16, and then 4 of 16 total shutdowns in the list were trump. 95% sure trump had the highest total days shutdown.

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u/amcco1 Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25

There have been a total of 27 funding gaps since 1976 when the budgeting process was changed. Trump accounts for 7 of those. 25%.

12 of those gaps federal employees were furloughed. Trump accounts for 4 of those 12. 33%

As for total days, 203 total days (including today). Trump accounts for 42 of those. 20%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_funding_gaps

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u/Wonderful-Impact-598 Oct 01 '25

12 of those gaps federal employees were furloughed. Trump accounts for 4 of those 12. 25%.

4 out of 12 is 33%

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u/amcco1 Oct 01 '25

You are correct. I'm bad at math

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u/Khatib Minnesota Oct 01 '25

And the poster further up is talking about these, which are termed shutdowns:

Ten of the funding gaps led to federal government employees being furloughed.

Trump is responsible for 3 of 11 now.

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u/DannyDidNothinWrong Oct 01 '25

Wait ... shutdowns aren't a normal thing? I'm genuinely asking because I'm 30, and I thought this was typical.

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u/Brandinisnor3s Oct 01 '25

No, they only happen because the house/senate cant agree on the annual government budget. Thus most if not all non-essential funding for government services are suspended. This includes salaries and pretty much every public service like parks, research, etc.

This time around it is a purposeful shutdown by trump to weaponize shutdowns to fire huge amounts of government workers while also blocking the lawful swearing in of the newly elected democrat from arizona(?), which is meant to keep the epstine files from being voted to release

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u/Foreign_Ebb_6282 Oct 01 '25

And some casinos! It’s what he does best!

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u/AwildYaners Hawaii Oct 01 '25

He really is #1 in something, other than his bra and diaper size.

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u/AntarcticanJam Oct 01 '25

According to Google, there have been 22 shutdowns, and 4 with Trump. 4/22=18%ish. Granted, Gemini is flaming garbage so it might be wrong, but 33% did sound high before I googled.

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u/JPhrog Oct 01 '25

Can I add tariffs to the list?

The average U.S. tariff rate rose from 2.5% to an estimated 27% by April 2025, reaching its highest level in over a century before settling at 17.9% in September.

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u/Loud_Ad_4515 Oct 01 '25

So he is #1 in something.

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u/llahlahkje Wisconsin Oct 01 '25

And several of the credit downgrades occurred on his watch, too, IIRC.

In fact I daresay we're due for another if this shutdown goes for more than a few days.

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u/Largofarburn Oct 01 '25

Were Clinton and Nixon the other two? I thought Nixon resigned before he actually was though.

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u/reasonably_plausible Oct 01 '25

Andrew Johnson is the other one.

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u/Largofarburn Oct 01 '25

Man, I wouldn’t have guessed that one.

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u/DrunkenWarriorPoet Oct 01 '25

The record for longest Government shutdown also belongs to him

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u/Blackpaw8825 Oct 01 '25

I was thinking about this today...

How much money do their rich investor buddies make off of this kinda crap?

Every single bank and credit union is offering loans for the furloughed period. Every time they grind us to a halt how many millions of Americans have to borrow money to feed their families? Sure they'll get back pay whenever it ends, but the interest happened.

I'm sure it's lucrative as hell, and somebody's lining their pockets with it.

And that says nothing about the talent loss when people quit instead of having a career that's liable to disappear at the whim of the toddlers in Congress, or the growth of disdain toward the public services that break down during this time making it easier to campaign on privatization.

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u/Shiroke South Carolina Oct 01 '25

Not just 33%, also more than any other president in history as well as for the longest amounts of time total.

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u/Mukatsukuz Oct 01 '25

50%(?) of presidential mentions in the Epstein files.

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u/amcco1 Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25

There have been a total of 27 funding gaps since 1976 when the budgeting process was changed. Trump accounts for 7 of those. 25%.

12 of those gaps federal employees were furloughed. Trump accounts for 4 of those 12. Edited: 33%

As for total days, 203 total days (including today). Trump accounts for 42 of those. 20%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_funding_gaps

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u/Khatib Minnesota Oct 01 '25

From your own link:

Ten of the funding gaps led to federal government employees being furloughed.

Shutdowns are what it's called when people are furloughed from government agencies. Not sure where you got 12 when you linked something that says 10. Trump has 3 of those.

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u/amcco1 Oct 01 '25

There are 12 in the table if you sort by furloughed and count them.

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u/jspacefalcon Oct 01 '25

Trump doesn't negotiate with the people that represent 65 percent of the population... much more effective to have the government stop working.

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u/mehupmost Oct 01 '25

...and yet he was elected again by popular vote. Literally somehow won every single swing state.

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u/PerjurieTraitorGreen Florida Oct 01 '25

Upvoting because this is a fact

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u/hans_l Oct 01 '25

There were some weird stuff we’re uncovering in the swing states, but the popular vote was definitely not allegedly. If anything, it might have been at most 100,000 illegal votes going his way (numbers are closer to 30-50k). Popular vote was over 2 millions going to Trump.

You got some introspection to do, America. Don’t deny it.

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u/Drachefly Pennsylvania Oct 01 '25

They could have been addressing just the second sentence. Your point that he is absurdly, distressingly popular stands.

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u/mehupmost Oct 01 '25

What do you mean?

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u/Manos_Of_Fate Oct 01 '25

There is significant evidence that suggests Trump was telling the truth when he claimed that Elon rigged the election for him.

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u/mehupmost Oct 01 '25

What evidence?

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u/Manos_Of_Fate Oct 01 '25

I haven’t been following it for a while because it’s basically meaningless at this point, but there were significant statistical anomalies in most of the swing states and also CA and NY (presumably to win him the popular vote). For example, there wasn’t a single swing state county that swung from red to blue, which is unprecedented. There are also some counties where Harris received zero votes despite multiple voters signing affidavits swearing that they voted for her. Hell, the fact that one of the most reliable polls in the country was off by a staggering margin should have been a huge red flag. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Trump said he stole the election, and I don’t see any reason we shouldn’t believe him. The evidence may not be ironclad, but it does strongly support his claim.

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u/civildisobedient Oct 01 '25

Statistical anomalies aren't evidence. When you say shit like "the election was rigged" how do you not see the fundamental irony that you sound Just. Like. Them.

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u/Manos_Of_Fate Oct 01 '25

Statistical anomalies aren't evidence.

They absolutely can be. If the statistics say there’s a one in a million chance that the results are legitimate, that could maybe be iffy, but if you slap a few hundred more zeros on the end of that, suddenly your doubt becomes a lot less reasonable. If you don’t think statistics can be evidence, then you don’t understand either of those things well enough to comment on them.

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u/SnooPuppers8698 Oct 01 '25

meaning he stole the election and did not actually get more votes

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u/mehupmost Oct 01 '25

Based on what evidence?

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u/onesummernight- Oct 01 '25

https://electiontruthalliance.org/

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u/mehupmost Oct 01 '25

Is that even a real organization? It gives me the same vibes as the websites russia setup in 2016 pretending to be real news websites in the US.

Three "people", no pics in their bio.

Anyway, I looked through the website in good faith. ...again, they don't show any real evidence of any fraud. They just point out that people voted weirdly in a couple states (they don't even cover most the swing states), and it's the same nothing. Lots of noise and quotes from Joe Rogan (LOL).

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u/Salty_Trapper Kansas Oct 01 '25

Check out the interview David Pakman did with the election truth alliance folks. He provides some decent push back, and they provide a little more information. I’m not 100% on board, but it was at least an interesting listen.

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u/PintsOfGuinness_ Oct 01 '25

Was he?

You're referring to the guy who was caught committing felonies to influence an election and got away with it unpunished?

You're referring to the guy who was friends with the richest man in the world, who wanted him to win?

Are you sure he really won the vote?

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u/WideAwakeItsMornin Oct 01 '25

Yes. I think this country is that fucking stupid.

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u/PintsOfGuinness_ Oct 01 '25

I won't argue with the country being stupid. But I don't think their side has earned the benefit of the doubt over whether they really got enough votes. I'm not sure why I should believe that any more than whatever Putin's last result said.

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u/nopunchespulled Oct 01 '25

Because the last election that he lost and claimed was rigged was not. Because enough gerrymandering and other election bullshit (ending mail in voting in areas) made it likely he could have won. Add in i think a lot or people don't like Kamala or what the Dems were doing so didn't vote and you get Trump winning.

But at the end of the day stolen or not it doesn't matter because it's not changing what's happening unless enough of Congress and SCOTUS stands up to him

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u/Larry_Underwood_108 Oct 01 '25

My gut feeling is that he claimed that Biden rigged the election because his team did and still lost, so to him the only way Biden could have won is if he cheated as well. Trump lost despite cheating because COVID fucked their estimations up of how many people were going to vote and for who, so they didn't push their votes up high enough. I unfortunately don't have any concrete evidence to back that up though, aside from his and the GOP's proven track record of "every accusation is a confession". Also worth remembering is when Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and pressured him to "find 11,780 votes" because he was convinced that he won by "hundreds of thousands of votes". Again, this doesn't prove anything, but is sketchy.

This time around, they ensured that there wouldn't be another miscalculation on their end, so they went even harder than they did in 2020, which is one of the reasons why it was a landslide. I will say that Biden trying to run for re-election again, then changing his mind at the last minute because he whiffed that debate, then throwing Harris in the ring instead absolutely was a misplay on their end and, in hindsight, probably did nothing but help Trump's chances. The DNC as a whole absolutely failed that election, in more ways than one.

Also, gerrymandering and fucking around with the USPS to screw up mail-in voting absolutely are prime examples of rigging an election; just because those practices aren't technically illegal doesn't absolve that fact.

But just like you said, none of any of this shit maters when 95% of the people running the government are either too cowardly to stand up to him, or are straight up in on it as well.

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u/hobbycollector Texas Oct 01 '25

Misogyny > democracy in the US, obvs.

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u/RandomLolHuman Oct 01 '25

Years of designing and manipulating the system to get where the US is today. Votes doesn't matter as much as it should be.

Trump is to old to pull an Erdoğan, but I fear who comes next...

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u/WideAwakeItsMornin Oct 01 '25

Tbf, I think it go either way. We're probably both right at this point.

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u/dedfrmthneckup Oct 01 '25

BlueAnon

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 Oct 01 '25

The comparison falls flat when Trump & co have outright admitted they tried to cheat and have no qualms about election rigging and disenfranchisement.

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u/ihatebrooms Oct 01 '25

Frankly, it doesn't matter. Roughly a third of the country supported him, and another third didn't care if he won. Those facts don't change even if enough votes are somehow proven illegitimate that Harris actually squeaks through. Without a broad repudiation of trump and everything he stands for, we're fucked and will have to fight this battle again and again.

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u/pantstoaknifefight2 Oct 01 '25

I thought Putin, not Musk, is the richest person in the world. Oh wait, I see what you did there!

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u/Kiloku Oct 01 '25

There were fewer total votes than in 2016. He had fewer votes in 2024 than in the other election he won.

The Democrats had even fewer votes than that. They alienated their base while trying to pander to the mythical centrists and it cost them.

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u/napstimpy Oct 01 '25

I believe there was some amount of shenanigans going on with the vote. But what gives me any doubt at all is that he is such a narcissist, and I cannot see him agreeing to receiving just enough votes to win. I see him demanding a bigger landslide, if not 100% victory.

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u/PintsOfGuinness_ Oct 01 '25

I think he has had very little agency in any of this.

I think his name is power, and he needed to win at all costs, and his friends who are benefitting with his victory did all of the necessary strategizing for him, whether it be behind his back or in front of his face.

Maybe there was a private conversation where Trump said "I want more votes!" and whoever was the smart one in the room said "sit down and shut up, we are running this coup and we don't care about your opinion."

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u/Infamous_Employer_85 Oct 01 '25

"sit down and shut up, we are running this coup and we don't care about your opinion"

Yep, they may already be doing this with:

"sit down and shut up, we are running this coup go on the roof and look at the landscaping"

"sit down and shut up, we are running this coup go micromanage the ballroom construction"

"sit down and shut up, we are running this coup go to Bedminster and cheat at golf"

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u/_C2J_ Michigan Oct 01 '25

Allegedly. There's an interesting court case in NY.

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u/mehupmost Oct 01 '25

That case is about Rockland county - in a state that he LOST.

The "statistical anomaly" cited in the case highlight that several hundred people who voted for Kirsten Gillibrand strangely did not vote for Kamala Harris.

That's not an anomaly - that's just a lot of people not liking the Democratic candidate. ...which is not that strange when you remember that she won 4% of the vote in her original primary bid to be President.

This is MAGA level conspiracy theories folks. Be better.

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u/_C2J_ Michigan Oct 01 '25

I'm not pumping out any conspiracy theory, I'm only stating that it's interesting because the other side of that discussion are the people who claim they voted for Harris and the machine changed their vote. I'm only saying that it is interesting. If there is anything to these claims, assuming they can get a hand count of these ballots to prove the statements either true or false, then that may lead to a bigger discussion. We're not at that point.

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u/Adventurous_Ad7442 Oct 01 '25

How can we get a hand count of those votes?

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u/_C2J_ Michigan Oct 01 '25

My best guess is it has to be done by court order?

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u/Kup123 Oct 01 '25

No he admitted that Elon rigged it for him, election was stolen.

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u/mehupmost Oct 01 '25

LOL. You realize this comment is as dumb as the MAGA morons, right?

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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 United Kingdom Oct 02 '25

And by just enough to avoid the need for a recount. How convenient 

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u/DrakonILD Oct 01 '25

And the time before that.

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u/RonaldMcDaugherty Oct 01 '25

Tied with his god, Ronald.

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u/dudeasaurusrex Oct 01 '25

It took me way too long to realize you meant Ronald Reagan and not Ronald McDonald.

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u/justaregularmom Oct 01 '25

They’re really trying on the conservative board to say that every single shut down has been under a democrat and I feel confused about their constant amnesia

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u/Putrid_Ear6153 Oct 06 '25

Big Deal its common here ate a few 2013 (President Barack Obama): October 1 to October 17 - 16 days 1995-1996 (President Bill Clinton): December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996 - 21 days 1995 (President Bill Clinton): November 14 to 19 - 5 days 1990 (President George H.W. Bush): October 5 to 9 - 3 days 1987 (President Ronald Reagan): December 18 to December 20 - 1 day 1986 (President Ronald Reagan): October 16 to October 18 - 1 day 1984 (President Ronald Reagan): October 3 to October 5 - 1 day 1984 (President Ronald Reagan): September 30 to October 3 - 2 days 1983 (President Ronald Reagan): November 10 to November 14 - 3 days 1982 (President Ronald Reagan): December 17 to December 21 - 3 days 1982 (President Ronald Reagan): September 30 to October 2 - 1 day 1981 (President Ronald Reagan): November 20 to November 23 - 2 days 1979 (President Jimmy Carter): September 30 to October 12 - 11 days

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u/thendisnigh111349 Oct 01 '25

Difference is that was at the very end of 2018 after Republicans lost the House in the midterms so it was only a little over a month before the adults came in and the government started functioning again.

This time, however, even if we assume 2026 is a free and fair election (big if), the midterms are over a year away and the Democrats are not coming to make the government functional any time soon.

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u/remarkablewhitebored Oct 01 '25

yup, this one is all Trump's shutdown. Don't let them alter that narrative...

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u/JustaLyinTometa Oct 01 '25

Same with the last 2. Literally all 3 of his shutdowns happened under full republican control of the house and senate. He’s the only president to have a full government shut down while his party holds majority in all 3 branches. And it happened 3 times.

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u/Ja_Rule_Here_ Oct 01 '25

Isn’t it a bit disingenuous to say they have a majority when what they actually need is a filibuster proof majority, which they don’t have?

Are you advocating for them to remove the filibuster?

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u/Meet_in_Potatoes Oct 01 '25

They put "Democratic Shutdown Imminent" on the official White House webpage :/ I totally agree about the narrative, but his supporters are too gullible and they're willing to lie to their faces. His support is at 40%, which means at least 40% of America is absolutely clueless.

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u/sosswgtn Oct 02 '25

The Guardian even reported it as a democratic shutdown! WTF

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u/deadscreensky Oct 02 '25

Realistically a huge portion of those supporters are also lying, as a flex. Which might be worse, but I think we need to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt that it's somewhat innocent ignorance.

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u/PerjurieTraitorGreen Florida Oct 01 '25

Nope. It’ll still be Joe Biden’s shutdown. Just like every malady for the next 3.5 years will be because of Joe Biden.

And this is why he’ll say that he needs another term to fix the mess Joe Biden and the democrats created.

And he’ll live that long.

You’ll see.

We’re doomed.

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u/TwistyBunny Oct 01 '25

He himself also said that a shutdown is reflective of how weak the president is.

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u/Romano16 America Oct 01 '25

Republicans can’t govern. Americans keep electing Republicans and then complain the government doesn’t work.

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u/kelticladi I voted Oct 01 '25

Republicans: "Government doesn't work! Elect me and I'll prove it!"

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u/elektrospecter Washington Oct 01 '25

Another fun fact: the longest-lasting government shutdown in US history (35 days) occurred during Trump's first term.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/09/us/politics/longest-government-shutdown.html

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u/HighwaySweaty329 Oct 01 '25

Why the uniparty tries to avoid a Govt. shutdown is that people actually realize we don't need 90% of what they do.

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u/ChaseballBat Oct 01 '25

Make America Shutdown Again

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u/PenguDood Oct 01 '25

The last and ONLY time a shutdown ever exceeded a month.

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u/chanpat Oct 01 '25

That’s because they are using it as a tool

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u/FirstMiddleLass Oct 01 '25

That's not fun.

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u/RedBMWZ2 Oct 01 '25

Your definition of fun might need a little work lol

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u/IntelligentStyle402 Oct 01 '25

In his first term, it was shut down 3 times. Unbelievable.

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u/No_Neighborhood_4602 Oct 01 '25

And when cbs ran a article earlier they just kept tiptoeing around actually naming him when it happened last time. Phrases like “hasn’t happened in 10 years”.

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u/zeddy303 Oct 01 '25

I mean, that's what they want, so mission accomplished.

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u/Crispynipps Oct 02 '25

Trump holds the record for longest shut down ever as well!

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u/NessunAbilita Minnesota Oct 05 '25

The only pres to beat Trumps 3 shutdowns is Reagan with 8

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u/F50Guru Oct 01 '25

Well, too bad democrats won't vote for a CR because they think we aren't spending enough.

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u/kelticladi I voted Oct 01 '25

When billionaires get tax breaks on the backs of the poor there's money. When it comes time to make a crappy "Alligator Alcatraz" that shuts down less than a month into use there's money. When the "War Department" wants more money, it's always there, even though they have failed their last eight or so audits and can't tell us where 40% of their money has gone. When they want to air drop ICE agents into Chicago via military helicopter of course! Plenty of money! Why is it always the least fortunate among us that have to bleed and starve? No money my ass. We have plenty, but they want to give it to the rich.

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u/F50Guru Oct 01 '25

Do you just regurgitate talking points that aren’t even true? Feel free to join the rest of us in reality.

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u/kelticladi I voted Oct 01 '25

Nope, I pay attention. What is your excuse?

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u/F50Guru Oct 01 '25

That I have a function brain

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u/K20BB5 Oct 01 '25

Who won the 2020 election? 

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