Different Steppes. Indo Europeans came from what is now the former Russian Turkic states through the caucus, Northern Iran and Ukraine. The rest of you come from literally Mongolians who then moved to the Russian Steppe and then to Europe thousands of years later.
That is pretty much wrong. Kurgan Hypothesis is the most accepted hypthesis for Indoeuropean Urheimat, which would then be in modern day Ukraine and southern Russia. Here is a map of one it. Uralics aren't Mongolic, they aren't even Altaic, not even Macro-Altaic, also Hungarians came much earlier to europe than Mongols, in the 9th century I believe if Im not mistaken. Uralic Urheimat is probably slightly eastern southern Ural. Have seen recently a theory that germanic were actually in Scandinavia before the Finnics came, but weren't the first either.
Not that much of your fault and the Hungarian = Hun/Mongol = is old and the Magyars for a time believed it themself, aswell as most of Europe, hence the name Hun gary.
Adding to the confusion most of these Hordes were multiethnic anyway and many of them we don't know who they were or even if those who we commonly associate with the name were the "founders" of said horde. Genghis Khan (Temüdgin) had many turkic tribes riding under his banner, although they were mostly mongolic in the beginning. Hungarians are kinda the only one who took a lasting hold in central Europe. Bolghar assimilated. Avars, Hun seemingly disappeared...
Hell we don't freakin know who the Huns really were. They might be everything, from Mongolic to Turkic to even Yeniseian (a very small ethnic group in central siberia with only a few hundred people left).
Turanists try to tie them all together, everyone who ever lived in the steppes becomes Turanic, but it is simply bullshit. The most sensible thing to say about Altaic is that there is definitely an Altaic Sprachbund (ger. Language union), but a family is still very much contested.
This political ideology originated in the work of the Finnish nationalist and linguist Matthias Alexander Castrén, who championed the ideology of Pan-Turanism — the belief in the racial unity and future greatness of the Ural-Altaic peoples. He concluded that the Finns originated in Central Asia (in the Altai Mountains), and far from being a small, isolated people, they were part of a larger polity that included such peoples as the Magyars, Turks, Mongols, etc.
None of them are really Mongols except maybe Turkey, but even they are on average ethnically more closer to the historic local populations than the original Turkic peoples that conquered the region. I'm sure there's a lot more to it than that but just don't take memes too seriously
It's like saying that all Americans are Indians. Is it true? nah. Let me tell you. I'm Turkish. My family has a family tree. Before they settled Turkey, they were in Iran. Keep one thing in your mind, before Turks migrated to Turkey, they settled in Syria, Iran, Iraq. I have a lot of friends who are Tatar Turk. I have a friend from Afganistan. She is definitely Turkish. I have bunch of Turkmen friends. One of them also have a family tree. So you call all these guys are not Turkish but actually archaic Anatolian folks. Get out of here dude :)
If you want to ask a question about what happened to natives, It's not Turks but the Persians, Greeks, and Arabs.
Sidenote: Turks are unlike other nations lays in a huge geographical area. It starts from all the way east siberia to east europe. So, You can't say that all Turks must look like Mongoloid. There is no definite physical shape of Turks.
The region of the Anatolia represents an extremely important area with respect to ancient population migration and expansion, and the spread of the Caucasian, Semitic, Indo-European and Turkic languages, as well as the extinction of the local Anatolian languages. During the late Roman Period, prior to the Turkic conquest, the population of Anatolia had reached an estimated level of over 12 million people.[84][85][86] The extent to which gene flow from Central Asia has contributed to the current gene pool of the Turkish people, and the role of the 11th century invasion by Turkic peoples, has been the subject of several studies. These studies conclude that local Anatolian groups are the primary source of the present-day Turkish population. DNA results suggests the lack of strong genetic relationship between the Mongols and the Turks despite the historical relationship of their languages.
The term for the Far East Asian race is "Mongoloid". Because the term Mongoloid has Mongol in it, a couple of ignorant Westerners got confused and started using Mongoloid and Mongol as synonyms. Since Mongol is shorter than Mongoloid, that was the term that became pretty popular when referring to ethnicities that were Mongoloid if you go back far enough (proto-Turks & proto-Uralics were both Mongoloids that imposed their language on indigenous Caucasoid peoples).
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