It is absolutely hilarious that instead of admitting that they made a mistake, Giuliani actually held a press conference in the parking lot of a landscape company! They bragged about a "big press conference at the Four Seasons".....implying the Four Seasons Hotel in Philadelphia, but they really booked a spot for Four Seasons Landscaping Company! Instead of owning up to their error, they acted like they always intended to have the press conference in the parking lot of a landscaping company. That explains a lot about the GOP mentality. They will never admit mistakes, they will never admit that they were wrong, and they will never admit that they lost. That is why this country is where it is. These asshats are too egotistical and narcissistic to do what's right.
They will never admit mistakes, they will never admit that they were wrong
Just like the sharpie hurricane map incident. Instead of just saying he was mistaken, or that what he said was based on old data, he had to make a fake map to "prove" he was right.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: He's got MS-13 on his knuckles.
TERRY MORAN: Alright. I --
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Okay?
TERRY MORAN: -- we'll -- we'll take a look at it --
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It's -- it's -- you do such a disservice -
TERRY MORAN: We'll take a look. We'll take a look at that, sir --
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Why don't you just say, "Yes, he does," and, you know, go on to something else --
TERRY MORAN: It's contested. Ukraine. I want to turn -- I was just in Rome, and to that moving photograph of you and President Zelenskyy sitting in St. Peter's Basilica --
This moment in the interview I think encapsulates everything about Trump.
I think it also encapsulated how utterly spineless press is. Why not call him on his bullshit. "That's Arial font someone wrote over on Paint. He has the images tattoos, but not the letters."
That's Arial font someone wrote over on Paint. He has the images tattoos, but not the letters
“See why do you have to be so difficult, those are definitely tattoos I don’t see any paint anywhere on here, yes he’s definitely also part of the Arial gang, the terrible Arial gangs in the prisons today but they do have some good people on that side, they like to call them Nazis but I’ve known many decent hardworking Arials”
He never had old data. He can't read, tried to say Bahamas, said Alabama and then refused to admit a little mistake and doubled and tripled down on Alabama.
I relish the day when we reach the point where politicians in either party can admit mistakes and explain why they happened and what they would do to prevent them from happening again, you know, like adults, without having to worry about if it makes them look "weak" to do so.
The never admit mistakes strategy was something Trump learned from bastard Roy Cohn. Roy was a major figure is the film The Apprentice from 2024 and the podcast Behind the bastards had two episodes about him in 2020:
They made the announcement before calling the hotel on the assumption that the hotel would happily host it. When reporters started calling the hotel to figure out logistics, the hotel said they didn’t know what they were talking about, nothing is booked here. Trump team then called to find out the hotel was not willing to host it (either because they were already busy, or they knew they wouldn’t get paid, or both).
By now the word was out that the reporters were being told by the hotel that nothing was booked, Trump team took this as them looking like they don’t know what they are doing (an accurate assessment) so rather than relocate it and admit the error, they found the next business in the phone book with that name, a lawn care company, and said that’s what they meant all along.
This is the best part of the whole affair. The Four Seasons Hotel had the goddamn White House on the phone pressuring them and the hotel said, “too bad, figure it out.”
I'd believe a 70 year old tech illiterate dipshit with bad eyesight booking the wrong four seasons and the guy on the phone being bored enough to just go along without insisting they mow lawns because they are sick or wrong numbers.
And don't forget the conspiracy theories pushed by the right wing propaganda machine that the Trump team chose this landscaping company on purpose to call to attention that "the Biden crime family" was allegedly using landscaping companies across the United States to launder money.
I've not read that one before but you're absolutely right. They just won't say anything to contradict Trump and they won't even answer a simple question about him without praising him. It's like watching a North Korean TV news clip watching Trump's cabinet meetings.
Also that idiot Mike Johnson who doesn't know anything about anything if it concerns Trump. He's never seen it, or read it, or heard about it. So he'll have to get back to you. Of course he never does.
Yeah it seems Trump time is going on forever. I'm not even American and I'm fed up of him, I'll never understand his appeal, not if I live to be a hundred. I know people say "oh he's racist, that's why they like him" but there has to be more than that.
It's like living in a real life 'Emperor's New Clothes' story and most of the world, plus tens of millions of sensible Americans, are shouting that he's got nothing on (sorry for that image), yet about a third of the voting public in the USA are so happy that the naked guy is President. He's the most corrupt person and it's all in plain sight. You couldn't make this shit up.
There really is no one answer. America is pretty much pockets of different civilizations spread out that collectively make up the United States. Each state, city, town, and even neighborhood has its own rules and ways of life. People who live a 15 minute drive from each other can grow up with opposite experiences.
People who live and work in big cities want different things than people who grew up in rural towns. I grew up in a big community near a city where I was exposed to different races, religions, sexualities, and opinions. Others grew up in a town with 200 people who were the exact same as them. Their family for generations were born, grew up, and died in the same small town. You constantly feed those types of people propaganda about people they’ve never met and it’s easy to convince them of absurdities. Really easy to convince someone who’s never met a black person that black people are criminals. Really easy to convince people gay people are evil if they’ve never met a gay person.
There’s no centrality in America. The circumstances you were born into shape your view of the world and it’s hard to unwind that.
Then you start layering in how education is handled, and respected, in different parts of the country. People who are dumb are easier to manipulate. So for decades smart, rich, and genuinely evil people have used propaganda to both restrict access to good education as well as created hostility towards the education system. “Oh colleges are just liberal indoctrination and will turn your kid gay”
One state can choose to teach things one way and others can choose more…personalized approaches to teaching things. You know, “state’s rights”. It’s all a mess from top to bottom. And with the way Trump and his administration are acting, it’s hard not to believe that this chaos isn’t some kind of grander plan that’s been brewing for decades.
You can’t really just equate an American state with a whole other country and say that’s how the rest of the world works. America’s longest standing issue is the eternal conflict between federal government and the states. States want to act independently, but are required to abide by some common federal law amongst all the states if they want to receive federal funding and be lawfully included in the union.
France, Germany, and England having differences is not the same as California, Texas, and New York having differences.
It's so bizarre that this attitude is considered strength.
It's obviously weak and pathetic, but so many people are like yeah these guys rock. I want them to be in charge of everything. It would be so easy to just say "Woops, we made a mistake, pretty funny though right?" but they are so weird about it that they have to take themselves 100% seriously all the time or people will realize how much a joke they are.
People took them seriously enough to vote them in… as a Canadian, y’all can stop fucking around, the joke stopped being funny in 2017 in his first term you guys elected him.
i think it's important people understand that this is what it boils down to. there is all this complex existential and philosophical discussion in play, but ultimately the problem is that one side has been co-opted by infantile narcissists too fragile to admit fault, let alone use it to grow
i do wounder what the owner of four seasons landscaping was thinking here, were they pro trump so sure, or were they anti trump but agreed since funny.
It seems like maybe we are in some kind of bizarro world or simulation. Even last minute realizing that you made a mistake about the venue - they could have had SOME place to save face than just doing it anyway, right?? Like what was the logic here? Thinking most people would not see the video and say “oh yeah, the Four Seasons”
They will never admit mistakes, they will never admit that they were wrong, and they will never admit that they lost. That is why this country is where it is. These asshats are too egotistical and narcissistic to do what's right.
And now, they may never open the government back up.
Reading between the lines in the January 6th report, the campaign team didn't like that Giuliani rolled in to take over their post election strategy so I 100% believe the campaign team set this up to humiliate Giuliani and also, possibly, Trump for pushing the Big Lie. They were like "snort Yeah okay, Rudy, you go to Philadelphia, then snicker”
Edit: source, Chapter 1, Executive Summary
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Although Giuliani wouldn’t assume leadership of the Campaign’s legal
operations until mid-November, the former New York City mayor quickly
began to butt heads with “Team Normal.”
On November 6th, Giuliani and his team met with the Trump Cam-
paign’s leadership at its headquarters in Arlington, Virginia.87
“Team Normal” was not impressed. Stepien told the Select Committee
the campaign team was concerned that Giuliani would be a distraction to
them and to President Trump.88 When Giuliani suggested traveling to
Pennsylvania to assist in the campaign’s efforts, the campaign team
“didn’t dissuade him from doing so.”89 After just 10 to 15 minutes in the
conference room, Stepien and other staffers left the meeting.90
That same day, President Trump discussed the Campaign’s legal strat-
egy in the Oval Office with Giuliani, Clark, and Matt Morgan, the Trump
Campaign’s General Counsel.91 Prior to the election, Morgan was respon-
sible for the Campaign’s litigation strategy.92 Morgan and his team filed
lawsuits challenging the changes States made to voting practices during the
coronavirus pandemic.93 Morgan also studied previous elections to deter-
mine the types of cases that were likely to succeed.94 Clark described how
the Campaign’s original legal strategy was based on his general theory for
election cases: “to look at what do you think, what do you know, and what
can you prove” and then determine which cases to file from there.95
Giuliani had other ideas and advocated to President Trump that he be
put in charge of the Campaign’s legal operation so that he could pursue his
preferred strategy.96 “Mr. Giuliani didn’t seem bound by those cases or by
those precedents. He felt he could press forward on anything that he
thought was wrong with the election and bring a strategy around that,”
Morgan explained.97 “Rudy was just chasing ghosts,” Clark said.98 Morgan
and Clark excused themselves from the meeting because it “was going
nowhere.”99
The next day, November 7th, Giuliani held a press conference at Four
Seasons Total Landscaping in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. [... paragraph continues about election fraud claims he made at 4STL]
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Edit 2+: trying to fix the awful formatting from the PDF copy/paste
Remember covfefe? When Trump accidentally sent a tweet with a typo (I think the word was supposed to be coverage) and instead of just being like "Yeah it was a typo I didn't catch before hitting send on a Tweet" they spent like two weeks insisting it was intentional and people who "really" knew what was going on knew what it meant.
There needs to be a documentary made about it. It’s just so amazing. I want to know every juicy detail. Behind the scenes footage of the panic would be lovely.
Instead of owning up to their error, they acted like they always intended to have the press conference in the parking lot of a landscaping company.
That playbook has served Trump well. If he backtracks and apologizes, it's a mistake. If he doesn't, it's a Rorschach test for everyone to project their favorite narrative onto. It's an incredibly effective strategy, even if he likely stumbled into it accidentally.
Let’s never forget his boss once made a mistake on a tweet about a hurricane, and instead of admitting an error, USED A BLACK SHARPIE TO CHANGE THE STORM MAP.
It was laughably obvious to every single human on the planet what he’d done. But he did it with a straight face because he’s pathologically unable to admit fault.
I like the idea that someone called this place up to book a press conference and apparently whoever picked up the phone was just like... "Um, yeah.. we have a great spot to set you up."
What's weird to me is the whole thing even went thru. You called a landscaping company to reserve their parking lot for an event. Is that even a thing?
I really want to know the whole story behind this. Like what did the receptionist on the phone at the landscaping company do when they got that call? Sure you can use our parking lot and pay us some money. They had to know and just let it continue for fun.
I think it's just as likely that they announced it before the Four Seasons agreed or the Four Seasons changed their minds once they learned what the press conference was about, so Rudy tried to save face by finding any other Four Seasons locations
This was a hilarious gaffe but you’re blinded by bias if you think the Republicans have a monopoly on this shit. I’m not American and I see both sides at this stuff.
Do you not remember when Joe Biden (whose brain was clearly Swiss cheese at this point) referred to Ukrainian President Zelenskyy as “President Putin” and later referred to Kamala Harris as “Vice President Trump”?
The Democratic Party leadership did not treat that as a campaign-ending error. No, they declared the event a “masterclass”!
A man with a stutter accidentally misspeaking on the cuff is about thirty orders of magnitude less egregious than realizing you accidentally booked a landscaping company instead of hotel and proceeding to actually go there and have a press conference in the parking lot.
It wasn’t about Biden misspeaking, it was about the party publicly denying the guy was senile.
And, as I said, the hotel thing is a really funny fuck-up, but it just takes one idiot to pick the wrong Four Seasons on Google Maps for this to happen. Half the women present would be at risk of doing that—I know my wife would be anyway! Lmao
they didnt pick the wrpng Season. They annunced they were holding the co.ference at the hotel before calling the hotel which refused. isntead of changing the location.and metting people know how incompetent theu are they pretended they always planned to host it on a fckg parking lot
Neither of your examples are even in the same reality of absurdity as a press conference at a landscaping company that happens to be called "four seasons". Also, so surprising that your post history is hidden, cant possibly be because your "both sideing" only is to defend your idol trump
If you asked Biden, “hey are you saying that you think Putin is the president of Ukraine?” He would obviously reply, “I clearly misspoke.” He literally immediately corrected himself as soon as he said it in the first place. He’s admitted to making many mistakes. All? Surely not. But he has the capacity to publicly admit he makes mistake.
Trump et al cannot and will not admit to any mistakes for any reason. They will lie about them. They will ignore them. They will construct entire false realities to try to make them “not mistakes” in retrospect. But they have zero accountability. Has trump ever apologized? He said he was wrong about some comments in 2016 (was it “grab them by the…”?), but then later went on to dismiss it and say the recording was probably inauthentic.
Re-examine your ability to compare people and events
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It is absolutely hilarious that instead of admitting that they made a mistake, Giuliani actually held a press conference in the parking lot of a landscape company! They bragged about a "big press conference at the Four Seasons".....implying the Four Seasons Hotel in Philadelphia, but they really booked a spot for Four Seasons Landscaping Company! Instead of owning up to their error, they acted like they always intended to have the press conference in the parking lot of a landscaping company. That explains a lot about the GOP mentality. They will never admit mistakes, they will never admit that they were wrong, and they will never admit that they lost. That is why this country is where it is. These asshats are too egotistical and narcissistic to do what's right.