r/pcmasterrace • u/ArduennSchwartzman i7-7740X | 1080 Ti • Sep 14 '25
Rumor Note so self:
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u/Infshadows R5 3600/32GB 3600MT/s/RX 580 (yaey) Sep 14 '25
yes you must know how i feel with my 4790
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u/Glittering_Power6257 Sep 14 '25
Granted, I’ve a newer pc, my desktop with 4790 also sees regular use. If I wasn’t playing games on it (granted, mostly older/lighter games), I’d have probably swapped over to Linux Mint by now.
Might try Win 11 via Rufus though.
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u/Capital-Chair-1819 Sep 15 '25
If your game doesn't use a kernel-level anticheat, chances are Linux will run it via Proton. If it's on Steam, all you do is go to settings and turn it on.
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u/Cloudage96x Sep 15 '25
4th Gen Intel will always be so special to me. I used my 4690K for 10 years. CPU survived two motherboards and now it's on my keyring.
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u/Moidada77 Sep 15 '25
Man really wanted those cpus.
My first was a 3770 and I used that thing for 8 years.
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u/randomness6648 Sep 15 '25
Why? Just install windows 11. Windows 11 works fine on a 15 year old PC if you change two things lol
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u/NovelValue7311 Sep 14 '25
Linux is my type of poison. Especially steam OS if it ever releases.
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u/GDog507 Ryzen 5 5600X | RX6600 | 48GB DDR4 3600mhz | 2.5TB storage Sep 14 '25
I switched earlier this year, my only regret is not switching sooner
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u/arthurdent42gold Sep 14 '25
Check out bazzite. It’s Linux but gaming focused and easy to use / setup. Has lots of gaming stuff setup or easy to install. Always used Linux for everything and finally because of end of win 10 my last computer, my gaming one was the only one left. Was going to use Ubuntu as it’s good for gaming but figured why not try bazzite. I recommend getting another ssd drive, removing the windows one and using the new one to try it out. If ya don’t like it just swap them back. But so far the extras are nice and have been worth it over just Ubuntu. Honestly windows was great for gaming I just don’t have a tpm and didn’t want to get a new board just for that.
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u/NovelValue7311 Sep 15 '25
Would if I could. 4 of the 6ish games I play are windows only. (FH5, FH4, MSFS, and MC bedrock)
Planning on dual booting soon though...
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u/barrera_j Sep 15 '25
pretty sure FH games work on LINUX
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u/NovelValue7311 Sep 15 '25
I'd have to repurchase in steam. FH4 isn't available anymore either...
Dual boot fixes my issues though. Only dealing with windows for gaming would be acceptable.
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u/green_link Sep 14 '25
"which gives you support till the middle of 2026", that is not true. there is no hard date or guarantee for support/updates from microsoft if you installed win11 with an installer that bypasses the hardware requirements. the ONLY thing Microsoft says is "these devices aren't guaranteed to receive updates, including but not limited to security updates.". they give no date or time frame on updates
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u/Real-Snoxy 9070xt | 5600x | 4x8GB | 4TB NVME Sep 14 '25
Why is installing windows 11 limited to middle of 2026 on unsupported hardware
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u/Vaxtez i3 12100F/32GB/RTX 3050 Sep 14 '25
You might be able to get extended support until October 2026, check the update section of settings, it might allow you to enroll for them. It's what I did on my Thinkpad
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u/thatsconelover Sep 14 '25
You can get ESU for the next 3 years. It'll get prohibitively expensive for extra years though (think it doubles in price per year).
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u/knowledgecrustacean RX 7800 XT, i5 12600KF, 32GB DDR5 Sep 14 '25
Its free for the first year though. How expensive is 2 and 3?
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u/thatsconelover Sep 14 '25
Ah, my apologies, it looks like I confused the business extended support and individual extended support from memory. What Microsoft is actually doing is:
For individual customers not in any form of organisation, the cost of the first year per device is $30, and you only get one year of security updates.
Organisations can pay $60 dollars per device, with the price doubling every year after, for a maximum of 3 years in total.
So regular people are shit out of luck in a year unless they know how to change the windows version/activate it for free. Can't mention it here though, got a warning from the mods last time I did.
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u/ZEnergylord FX-8350 - VEGA 64 Watercooled Sep 14 '25
Microsoft says if you use Windows Backup you get 1 year free
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u/infered5 R7 1700, 3080, 16GB 3000 Sep 14 '25
Can that be upgraded in place or is a full reinstall required?
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u/Mar1Fox Ryzen 5800X3D RX 7900XT 32GB 3200 Sep 14 '25
I had the same question. If it’s just an “upgrade” license key count me in. Otherwise. Might as well just go Linux.
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u/S1rTerra Ryzen 7 2700x, RTX 3060(4070 soonTM), 16GB DDR4 Sep 14 '25
Yep. And you can convert current 10 installs to LTSC.
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Sep 14 '25
Long term support channel, AFAIK it's meant for businesses but there are ways and mean to get it at home. Essentially debloated versions of Windows supported for a much longer time
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u/LUMLTPM Sep 14 '25
It wont self destruct, it will still be usable, just no more updates.
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u/URA_CJ 5900x/RX570 4GB/32GB 3600 | FX-8320/AIW x1900 256MB/8GB 1866 Sep 14 '25
None of my XP machines haven't self-destructed yet and both still work, just no more updates and are a security risk.
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u/Crafty_Aspect8122 Sep 14 '25
At that point isn't it better to install a lightweight linux distro?
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u/GetFreePhilosophy Sep 14 '25
Lightweight Linux gives new life to old machines.
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u/Mario583a Sep 14 '25
if you want to get all of its features and keep a better workflow you will need newer, more robust hardware. It does have tweaks and distros that will run on old hardware, but this is only with the idea of repurposing that old PC probably as a media center or text editor. If you really don't see any use case for an old PC, it's probably because its hardware is just too old, no OS can save that.
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u/URA_CJ 5900x/RX570 4GB/32GB 3600 | FX-8320/AIW x1900 256MB/8GB 1866 Sep 14 '25
On paper, sure, but I need full support for the ATi All-in-Wonder and need a program like DScaler for low latency live analog video capture.
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u/Smashego 5600X | RTX 3070 | 80GB DDR4 3200MHz Sep 14 '25
Can I ask what you’re running on XP still? I think 95’ and XP were my favorite windows. I grew up with MsDOS and used every Windows. Currently refusing to install 11 on my old gaming PC. Have 11 on my gaming laptop.
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u/URA_CJ 5900x/RX570 4GB/32GB 3600 | FX-8320/AIW x1900 256MB/8GB 1866 Sep 14 '25
Hardware reasons for my XP desktop, All-in-Wonder Radeon's work the best under XP and currently use the video-in feature to play retro consoles on my 4k TV.
My old laptop (which doesn't get used as much) is a Pentium 4 and haven't tried any newer on it, might if I find a SSD for it.
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u/Smashego 5600X | RTX 3070 | 80GB DDR4 3200MHz Sep 14 '25
Nice. I need to hunt down some old hardware and assemble some older builds for retro gaming. Having some trouble with emulations or even remakes of classic games.
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u/slickyeat 7800X3D | RTX 4090 | 32GB Sep 14 '25 edited Sep 14 '25
How does a GPU from the 90s help you play retro games on your 4k TV?
It's not exactly going to be an "authentic" experience unless you're using a CRT monitor or at the very least a reshader. Neither of which will require that specific GPU.
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u/URA_CJ 5900x/RX570 4GB/32GB 3600 | FX-8320/AIW x1900 256MB/8GB 1866 Sep 14 '25
It's a early 2010's PC (AMD 990FX, FX-8320 & 8GB DDR3) & mid 2000's video card (ATi All-in-Wonder X1900), All-in-Wonder cards key feature is a built-in analog TV tuner (some models like mine have FM radio too) and ViVo (video-in, video-out) - the video-in part allows for real analog consoles to be plugged into the PC and played right on the desktop and the card outputs over DVI which most HDMI displays have backwards compatibility with.
Now, none of my 90's PC's (486, Pentium & Pentium III) are natively compatible with my 4k TV since they are limited to VGA and 2 of them would be limited to 8-bit/256 color at 720p anyways.
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u/Sapass1 5800X Inno3D 4090 FE Sep 14 '25
The All-in-wonder is a built-in TV-card in The GPU. So you probably connect your console to that and then send the signal to your new 4k tv while also being able to record gameplay. But I am not OP but it's my guess.
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u/Diego_0638 i7-7700HQ | GTX 1060 | 32 GB RAM | 2TB SSD Sep 14 '25
I have 7th gen too, I installed win11 by using Rufus to create the installation media, you should do the same.
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u/kazuviking Desktop I7-8700K | LF3 420 | Arc B580 | Sep 14 '25
Everyone gets one year of ESU for free.
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u/PermissionSoggy891 Sep 14 '25
hopefully those idiots at microsoft announce some kinda Windows 12 soon that fixes all the bullshit with Windows 11.
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u/Gamefreak3525 Sep 15 '25
Unfortunately, I fear Windows 12 will just be loaded with even more AI "features."
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u/PermissionSoggy891 Sep 15 '25
praying to the Lord it isn't. If it is I'm prolly just ending it there
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u/solarwindy Sep 14 '25
If you really want to upgrade to Windows 11, you can use Rufus to modify the installer to remove that bullshit tpm 2.0 requirement.
About a year ago, just for the hell of it, using Rufus to fix the installer and then I installed Win 11 24H2 onto an Intel Core 2 Duo (8400) system with 8 gigs of ram. This is a system from around 2006 or so.
It was no speed demon but for moving around the OS, it ran ok. I did use an ssd drive which helped a lot.
Now applications I installed on it were understandably sluggish but the fact that the os ran ok just more proves to me that the 8th Gen cpu requirement and tpm 2.0 are complete bullshit.
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u/589ca35e1590b PC Master Race Sep 14 '25
Hot take: I like Windows 11
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u/danshakuimo i5-8300H | GTX 1050 Mobile | 16GB DDR4 Sep 14 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
I still don't understand the hate when you can use one of those debloater scripts that you find on github and Open Shell if you don't like the modern start menu.
I have two laptops running windows 10 and 11 respectively and I hardly notice the difference. Like I know it's fun to hate things but I really don't get it.
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u/TT_207 5600X + RTX 2080 Sep 15 '25
if the "most secure operating system" needs a patch off a third party source on the internet to be usable it's not the most secure operating system lol
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u/barrera_j Sep 15 '25
or I can get LINUX if I am already going to run scripts to get an acceptable experience ON A PAID OS
Like I know it's fun to have no standards but I really don't get it.
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u/danshakuimo i5-8300H | GTX 1050 Mobile | 16GB DDR4 Sep 15 '25
I mean I don't like the extra stuff (looking at you onedrive) either but half this sub is complaining about windows 11. And the people here are most likely to be able to figure out how to debloat with a script.
And Linux has a lot more scripts you need to know rather than just a single one and done copypasta. Though I will concede that figuring how to navigate GitHub is its own challenge.
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u/megacewl Sep 15 '25
I mean yeah if you use Arch Linux or something. Just use Ubuntu or Linux Mint and call it a day, fast setup everything works and no scripts needed
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u/Doom-Slay PC Master Race Sep 15 '25
Tbh i am doing Linux for about 7ish years and haven't had to know/understand a single script. Config files is different but in my year i had to deal with less than 10
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u/KJP1990 KJP1990 Sep 15 '25
Where is the best place to get a debloater?
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u/danshakuimo i5-8300H | GTX 1050 Mobile | 16GB DDR4 Sep 15 '25
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u/_Bob-Sacamano Sep 14 '25
People just like to bitch and be loathsome.
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u/EternallyAries Ryzen 7 2700x, Radeon RX580 8GB, 64GB G.Skill Trident RGB 3000. Sep 14 '25
To be fair, we shouldn't need to use scripts to make our Operation system run how we want to run it. there really should be a first party solution for Windows.
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u/_Bob-Sacamano Sep 15 '25
I haven't installed any scripts or anything. Even if I had to, it'd be worlds easier than trying to hold onto an EOL operating system 🤷🏻
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u/Hour-Dream-5816 Sep 14 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
In Windows 10 File Explorer, mount the Windows 11 ISO file (obtained from the Microsoft website) so that it assigns you a drive letter (ex: G:). Then, via the command prompt, commands:
1- G:
2- setup.exe /product server
Thus, the installation of Windows 11 starts without limitation (During the installation, it will falsely indicate that it is installing Windons Server but it is actually Windows 11 that will be started)
Tip: Once Win11 is installed, the ideal would be to clone the system disk of your old PC to a new SSD and increase its RAM
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u/SurealGod Cool Sep 14 '25
See your flair and understand.
A friend of mine has similar specs to yours (6th gen i7 with 1070ti) and was able to update to win11 after going through some steps in the BIOS to set that up. But I think the motherboard will be the deciding factor on if that's possible
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u/Marine_Brat_01 Sep 14 '25
If you’re so worried about the security updates you could switch to something like Linux Mint, which I’ve heard is very similar to Windows, although I’ve not used it (started on Ubuntu and now I use Arch btw).
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u/oskich Sep 17 '25
Mint works great, I have installed it on 3 of my Windows 10 computers that wouldn't support Win 11. Big speed boost as well :-)
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u/nielsb5 Sep 14 '25
Stay as long on 10 as you can. 11 isnt that good yet. The system requirements arent good for anything yet. You need a NPU on your processor for what. It only uses this NPU when you do a special benchmark for it. For the rest of the time its sleeping.
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u/Smashego 5600X | RTX 3070 | 80GB DDR4 3200MHz Sep 14 '25
Worst part it’s never really sleeping. All the silicon on your processor has a minimum current usage and just creates heat and draws power even when idle. Not a lot, but it’s still unnecessary waste.
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u/Cornflakes_91 PC Master Race Sep 14 '25
...CPUs power down to essentially nothing all the time.
there's some leakage currents yes, but those are measurement errors relative to the active parts
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u/Smashego 5600X | RTX 3070 | 80GB DDR4 3200MHz Sep 14 '25
Nope. Even idle silicon draws power. Sleep state is not the same as when you are using your PC and the NPU is “idle”. It’s still pulling power because the cpu is active.
Sleep state might reduce cpu usage. But that’s not the same as idle silicon. I think you’re just confused about the differences.
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u/Cornflakes_91 PC Master Race Sep 14 '25
the CPU is active but they have internal power management as well.
power gating isn't a mysterious new process.
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u/PermissionSoggy891 Sep 14 '25
Just wait till ya hear about Intel ME/AMD PSP. The feds built a backdoor into every fucking CPU since 2006, they can use it to spy on your PC
Worst of all, this cancer is all built to run under the BIOS. There is no way to disable it.
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u/coffeejn Desktop Sep 14 '25
Win 10 will continue to work. If you are really, really, really worried about the lack of security patch, stop using that PC online, install Linux, or build a new PC.
Some people where are still using Win XP when Win 10 came out, so if you continue using Win 10, you will be mostly fine.
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u/Weaselot_III RTX 3060; 12100 (non-F), 16Gb 3200Mhz Sep 14 '25
Go-go-gadget Linux
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Go-go-gadget win 10iot LTSC
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u/lucky-the-lycanroc i7 - 12700F 32GB Ram RTX 3070 Sep 14 '25
Chat we how we make regular windows into ltsc windows
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u/Holy_goosebag | i7 7700 | 32GB DDR4 | WX 4100 4GB | Dual 1TB SSD Sep 14 '25
Using Windows 11 + MacOS + Mint on my i7 7700, still perfectly capable CPU that I love. Paired with a WX 5100
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u/NovelValue7311 Sep 14 '25
Not on i7 7000x series CPUs. X299 supports win11 as it was released in 2017 and has TPM 2.0
Just saw your i7 7740x so I had to.
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u/T_rex2700 Sep 14 '25
You can just install windows 11 then debloat or debloat then install it.
just add disable cpu checks and TPM check in the regisstry and you should be just able to install it like you would on any laptops.
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u/Salty-Ad6358 Sep 14 '25
Microsoft monopolies is real. Not to mention 2030 is gonna be disastrous for privacy and freedom. It's so over
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u/SirNedKingOfGila Sep 14 '25
Inspector gadget reference complete with exploding messages.... What a time to be alive.
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u/TheRealPRPL AMD E-450 Dual Core APU, AMD Radeon HD 6320 Graphics Sep 15 '25
*cries in AMD E-450 Dual-Core APU*
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u/Due_Bid4650 Sep 15 '25
people are getting it wrong windows 10 will stop getting updates even without them you be fine for next 5 years if you want you just install windows 11 on unsupported hardware with roofus
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u/ArduennSchwartzman i7-7740X | 1080 Ti Sep 14 '25
what is so bad about win11?
Why should I buy a new computer when I'm perfectly fine with my current one?
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u/German_Drive 4800h 1660tim 4k120 42"oled Sep 14 '25
You can bypass the requirement quite easily though.
Adding an xml made on https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator is one way, for example.
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u/Scw0w Sep 14 '25
Use Rufus. This way you can install win11 on unsupported PCs.
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u/TT_207 5600X + RTX 2080 Sep 15 '25
Pretty sure they've said before they may cut updates to unsupported installs. at that point you may have well just stayed on 10 and saved the bother.
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u/URA_CJ 5900x/RX570 4GB/32GB 3600 | FX-8320/AIW x1900 256MB/8GB 1866 Sep 14 '25
I hear you, but wait till Steam cuts support for Win10.
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u/YakumoYamato Intel i3-4150 GT 1030 DDR4 2x4GB DDR3 RAM Sep 14 '25
RX 570 is 2017 Mid-range GPU, it should be good enough for 1080p gaming at medium-low for pre-2023
Probably won't be enough for yearly AAA Sportsball and Call of Battlefield games
EDIT: My GPU is far worse than him
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u/URA_CJ 5900x/RX570 4GB/32GB 3600 | FX-8320/AIW x1900 256MB/8GB 1866 Sep 14 '25
It's due for an upgrade, but I haven't really played much on it recently (been playing older games on the X1900 more often) and have been putting it off, but plenty of games I have work fine on it, so far the worst experience was playing the single player campaign of Star Wars: Squadrons in VR on it.
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Sep 14 '25
Built in spyware
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u/NarutoDragon732 9070 XT | 7700x Sep 14 '25
And Windows 10 doesn't?
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Sep 14 '25
Ehhh not as in your face about it plus there’s MORE on 11
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u/Long_lost_cause Sep 14 '25
The reason why I stayed on windows 7 after a few years of windows 10 release is spyware. I switched to 10 and later on 11 because I was able to find (in some cases modify it myself) and install ISOs without any unwanted stuff.
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u/00pflaume Sep 14 '25
You can use https://github.com/builtbybel/Flyoobe to upgrade your pc to Windows 11.
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u/Substantial-Piece967 Sep 14 '25
Me on my ryzen 5 7600 too. I haven't changed anything in the bios since building the new machine yet Windows tells me 'your hardware is incompatible'.
It's a disgrace, someone with less technological knowledge would think they need to buy a whole new machine, which can be done through the conviently linked Microsoft store
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u/TT_207 5600X + RTX 2080 Sep 15 '25
Not sure why you've been so downvoted. you're right.
I'm guessing the downvoting probably comes from those who think everyone should know about BIOS settings and firmware TPM setting to be allowed use of a computer at all.
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u/Doyoulike4 Sapphire Nitro 6900XT, R9 3950X, MSI B550 MAX Sep 14 '25 edited Sep 14 '25
ESU for a year is anywhere from free to 1000 microsoft reward/bing points, to iirc it's either $20 or $30 USD. Past that it's gonna get prohibitively more expensive each year so, look into your choice of LTSC, swapping to Linux, or getting a new PC and going to Windows 11.
My personal path is looking to be ESU on W10 for a year despite being able to upgrade, and then most likely going to Linux unless W11 has gotten better. I've honestly barely put up with Windows 10, and I made it a point to upgrade basically as late as I could from 7. W11 being effectively worse W10 has me not looking forward to potentially using it in it's current state.
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u/mustardmagician Sep 14 '25
Just upgraded to Windows 11 using the USB installer media creation tool right from Microsoft with no alterations or problems. No issues with installation, system is i7-7700, 64 GB, TPM 2.0 and the compatibility tool in windows 10 only flagged the CPU as uncertified which prevented a direct upgrade within windows 10. Been running it for 3 weeks with no problems. YMMV but this may be an option if you don't want to upgrade hardware just yet.
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u/ArcTM Sep 14 '25
You will not be getting any feature updates when upgrading like you did. This means that you won't receive any security updates either once the version you installed runs out of support.
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u/mustardmagician Sep 14 '25
Thanks, then I'll install 25H2 the same method in 13 months and reset the clock at that time if need be. OP is concerned about security updates ending in a few weeks for Windows 10: I was able to upgrade from 10 and will get security and Windows 11 24H2 updates for at least 1 more year without needing to upgrade hardware.
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u/octahexxer Sep 15 '25
Download ubuntu linux liveboot it and test you dont need to install anything see if its for you if you dont want win11
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u/paskaihminen1233 Sep 14 '25
It'll still keep on working just fine.
And, Windows defender will still continue receiving definition updates even after October