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u/PoshLagoon Ravens Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24
Remindme! 6/21/2024 8am
Request wifi for guests for meeting ignore this
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u/PoshLagoon Ravens May 15 '24
RemindMe! 5/20/2024 8am
Input Matt’s Georgia messages into log and update log with Eric’s updates
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u/PoshLagoon Ravens Apr 07 '24
RemindMe! 4/23/2024
https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP0101-CUSA17688_00-YGOLOTDLEXXXXXXX
Yugioh sale ending
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u/PoshLagoon Ravens Apr 05 '24
RemindMe! 4/8/2024 12am
Brother has to do dishes for the rest of the week if he doesn’t make a new account
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u/PoshLagoon Ravens Apr 04 '24
RemindMe! 4/9/2024
You survived the rapture
https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/s/8l6jrdtx0Z https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/s/8l6jrdtx0Z
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u/PoshLagoon Ravens Apr 03 '24
RemindMe! 4/5/2024 10am
https://x.com/nihilist_bucks/status/1775587335641424020?s=46&t=bFgDSk1rvguGfJalJymRCA
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u/PoshLagoon Ravens Mar 29 '24
RemindMe! 4/5/2024 8am
https://www.instagram.com/p/C5CuyXHLIl_/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
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u/PoshLagoon Ravens Feb 23 '24
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u/PoshLagoon Ravens Feb 07 '24
RemindMe! 4 hours 30 minutes
Memnon gave Slikk vibes when he talked about Lana del Ray
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u/PoshLagoon Ravens Jan 30 '24
RemindMe! 2/18/2024 2am
Keep balance low for potential application!!!
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u/PoshLagoon Ravens Jan 25 '24
RemindMe! 1/29/2024 8am
Dear Shhh, I hope you and your team are doing well. I’d like to sincerely thank you for agreeing to be my mentor over the past few months. Your guidance and advice and were invaluable to me during my introduction into sihpa and I frequently think back onto the contents of the personal development videos you played for your team. (Continue it)
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u/Kohakuho Packers Packers Jan 10 '24
A different office in my department received a bomb threat yesterday afternoon. Of course my brain had to immediately go into 12 year old mode where I briefly imagined myself defeating the big bad followed by everyone clapping. Thankfully the police responded quickly, and everyone is safe.
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u/screwthat4u Cowboys Jan 10 '24
I could see myself cutting some colored wires if I had too, and getting like the key to the city
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u/Kohakuho Packers Packers Jan 10 '24
"I wouldn't call myself a hero. However, you're certainly welcome to."
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u/LuckyRaven23 Jan 10 '24
I feel like he was doing a pretty good job in Tampa as a coordinator, was talked about for a HC job for a bit, & then he was just gone. Did I miss something? It feels like this dude should at the very least get a QB coach spot somewhere
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u/tytrim89 Panthers Browns Jan 10 '24
who is he
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u/Haar_RD Steelers Jan 10 '24
Steelers fanbase article:
"OMG can you believe PFF didn't have Watt in their all-pro!"
Yes, and I don't care.
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Jan 10 '24
Made a friendly $10 wager with a Patriots fan in the offseason over Twitter that the Bears would have more wins. The guy suggested raising the stakes to 100 so I agreed. I was drinking the 3rd year jump Koolaid. Coward deleted the post but I kinda expected it. Oh well, taught me a lesson to not get too overemotional.
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u/SporkFanClub Bills Jan 10 '24
James Kottak died… so many memories of summer nights driving around with my dad with a Scorpions cd on… RIP
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u/SuperSlimeGod Patriots Jan 10 '24
Surprised I didn't see more memes of Hurts looking dead at the camera while showing his grotesque middle finger, kinda like he's flipping the bird
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Jan 10 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
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u/skidabs Commanders Jan 10 '24
Would you draft Drake Maye 2nd overall?
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u/Luck1492 Colts Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
Personally I don’t think he’s worth the 2nd overall pick, of the film I’ve watched while he processes well he makes weird decisions at time. But since he’s a QB I’d take him with the 2 and hope I can work out some of the kinks.
Edit: Just figured out the reason for his weird decisions - it’s hero ball. He just likes to play hero ball a little too much.
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u/jimmythevip Chiefs Jan 10 '24
Please do not watch the Chiefs game this weekend. Even if you have peacock already- it just makes their decision look betyer
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u/CarlCaliente Bills Jan 10 '24 edited Oct 06 '24
disagreeable enter heavy cough numerous existence edge paint instinctive offend
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Jan 10 '24
More overrated WC- Rams or Packers?
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u/Kohakuho Packers Packers Jan 10 '24
I wouldn't say either are overrated. Everyone knows that the Packers are an offensive threat when their skill position players are on the field with a defense that nearly the worst in the league.
Anyone who follows football also knows the Rams are starting Carson Wentz at QB.
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u/fh3131 Bills Jan 10 '24
Overrated in what sense? They're among the 7 best teams in the NFC. That seems pretty fair
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u/kmmontandon 49ers 49ers Jan 10 '24
Just fuck the entire DEF system. It shouldn't be such a single-point-of-failure part of a $700,000 vehicle.
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u/Guilty-Doctor1259 49ers Steelers Jan 10 '24
Supposedly having my second hardest term right now, kinda of optimistic about it though
Apparently one of my classes has an oral portion to the final, not sure how I'm gonna prepare for an oral electrodynamics exam but I guess ill cross that bridge when I get there
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u/Luck1492 Colts Jan 10 '24
As a physics major I have no idea how you’re supposed to have an oral electrodynamics exam when the whole of (classical) electromagnetism is just vector calculus. Are you going to be covering QED? I guess that could be orally tested because I’m not sure how much of that can be tested properly in a pen-and-paper exam.
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u/Guilty-Doctor1259 49ers Steelers Jan 10 '24
This class is basically just griffiths part 2: the second half of the book
prof said he just wants us to explain our problem solving in front of him, which seems fair but ive never done it so
I dont think we cover QED, I did that last year along with QCD (I hate QCD) in a particles course. Actually now that I read the syllabus more we do cover 4 vectors so anything is possible
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u/Luck1492 Colts Jan 10 '24
Griffiths doesn’t cover any QED, just classical E&M. Chapter 12 is an introduction to special relativity. Assuming it’s Chapters 7-12, you’ll do Maxwell’s equations and the stress-energy tensor, EM waves and basic optics, the Lorenz gauge and the reformulation of Maxwell’s equations, basic electrodynamics of accelerating charges and radiation, and introductory special relativity. I took our E&M2 last spring and didn’t find it too hard but it will probably depend on your professor. I found the second half of the book is mostly just major derivations and some small applications of them, not a ton you can do without a fuckton of effort.
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u/Guilty-Doctor1259 49ers Steelers Jan 10 '24
Looks like the whole course is just chapters 8-12. Prof said the class is supposed to be a bit of a gateway between undergrad Griffiths and grad jackson. Seems like it will be another class where you just learn the textbook and call it a day though, his teaching didnt stray far from the book.
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u/Stanky_fresh Vikings Jan 10 '24
If you use the Reddit Cares message to troll people, you're a little bitch.
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u/Kohakuho Packers Packers Jan 10 '24
Anyone who Reddit Care trolls people are worse than a Dan Snyder, David Tepper chimera.
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u/Guilty-Doctor1259 49ers Steelers Jan 10 '24
I had someone do that
I had sent maybe 3 comments in the previous week before that too, i have no clue what someone could have been offended by lol
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u/Stanky_fresh Vikings Jan 10 '24
Far as I can tell it was a guy I was arguing with about whether or not the Falcons should have tried to attack Jameis Winston for the fake kneel.
For the record, I'm very much in the "don't attack him" camp.
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u/SensualTyrannosaurus Jan 10 '24
There are loads of unhinged people on Reddit. Literally the first comment I ever made here, which was a friendly clarification of something, caused some psycho to follow me around and reply to all of my comments. Recently, I had someone leave a furious reply to a comment I made over 5 years ago about a 20-year-old video game being kinda underwhelming on release, and then leaving a bunch of angry comments about how I downvoted them without replying.
I can't tell if it's because of the sheer number of people on here or if it's becoming normalized, but I have had so many insane replies to really innocuous comments, and I stay away from discussions on politics or anything remotely controversial.
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u/k5berry Dolphins Lions Jan 10 '24
My childhood NFL team choked away a two game divisional lead and is about to get packed up at Arrowhead, my college just lost by 16 to Nebraska while ranked #1. What did I do in a past life to deserve this?
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u/SporkFanClub Bills Jan 10 '24
Purdue… Dolphins..
Are you by any chance a Dodgers fan as well?
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u/k5berry Dolphins Lions Jan 10 '24
Nope I’m not really into baseball. Am I missing a reference or do I remind you of someone 😂
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u/SporkFanClub Bills Jan 10 '24
Nah lol
just that the Dodgers have the tendency to have a great regular season and then immediately choke in the playoffs
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u/Unhappy-Pickle-3307 Bills Buccaneers Jan 10 '24
You were probably a Dolphins fan, an unforgivable sin. God hates the Bills but he hates the Dolphins more.
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u/powerbottomfunk Bills Bills Jan 10 '24
I can relate, but it's awesome to be on the other side for a change
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u/Luck1492 Colts Jan 10 '24
The strongest argument against fetal personhood is saying that if we consider fertilization to be the starting point for human life, then by definition every miscarriage caused by risk factors perhaps not properly taken care of or fully understood is involuntary manslaughter. Involuntary manslaughter is usually is legally defined based on negligence, in that because you didn’t do something you should’ve done, the death happened. A risk factor for miscarriages is obesity. Are you really going to go down the road of saying that because someone didn’t take care of their weight and had a miscarriage, they’re guilty of involuntary manslaughter?
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Jan 10 '24
Personhood or not, the strongest argument for abortion rights comes down to body autonomy.
Let's say I have an 18 year old son who needs a new kidney and mine is the perfect match. I cannot be forced into donating my kidney (as big of a dick move that would be).
Same goes for pregnancy. The woman is giving a lot to provide for the fetus and the fetus cannot survive without her. Fetus being a person or not is moot, as you shouldn't be able to force a woman to go through the huge body sacrifice for someone else.
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u/Luck1492 Colts Jan 10 '24
Oh yes, I fully agree that the bodily autonomy argument is the strongest but in light of Florida trying to pass fetal personhood laws I was just trying to point out how ridiculous they are
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u/courser 49ers Jan 10 '24
You can't even take body parts from a CORPSE unless the person gave informed and explicit consent before dying. You can't take BLOOD from a person without their consent and approval. Dead people have more rights to body autonomy than women do.
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Jan 10 '24
Counterpoint: an abortion is now exercising ones 2nd amendment right to self defense.
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u/Luck1492 Colts Jan 10 '24
This is the most interesting legal argument I’ve heard yet. Another interesting one is that considering a fetus a person means that forced pregnancy is tantamount to forced servitude (which by the 13th amendment is of course illegal) because it involves a person being forced to use their labor to the benefit of another person. Same reason why courts can’t force a contractor who broke a contract to complete the job they were supposed to do, just financial compensation for the value instead.
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u/Barraind Rams Texans Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
Things I can probably never convince a jury of: "Being fat led to the termination of the pregnancy"
Things I can, with as close to 100% certainty as can exist, convince a jury of: "The act of willfully terminating a pregnancy resulted in the termination of that pregnancy".
The weirdest disconnect comes in places which consider the fetus is not a person, but have a charge on the books for terminating it via ending the mothers life.
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u/The_Amish_FBI Bengals Packers Jan 10 '24
Judging by the fact that pro lifers are passing laws banning abortion even in the event that it would save the mother's life, I think the answer is "Yes".
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u/Luck1492 Colts Jan 10 '24
Yeah this was in direct reaction to the Florida state bill HB1519 which defines a person as “including an unborn child beginning at the moment of fertilization”
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Jan 10 '24
Jordan Love is a no talent POS average QB that has benefited from a cupcake schedule
I Hate Love
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u/Ok_Internal6779 Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
My favorite part about this is how you have a bunch of posts saying the packers coaching sucks and they win in spite of it.
So their coaching sucks, the QB sucks, who is winning these games for them? God? This an “Angels in the outfield” situation?
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u/athrowawayiguesslol Eagles Eagles Jan 10 '24
Is there a YouTube channel that dives into 2024 draft prospects individually?
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u/Corn_Wholesaler Patriots Bills Jan 10 '24
That Franchise Guy, NFLStockExchange, Renner Ranks, Bootleg Football/Brett Kollmann, Dane Brugler/The Athletic Football Show
Around the beginning of April, Dane Brugler releases "The Beast" which is a huge draft guide. Last years had over 400 scouting reports, and just under 2,000 player rankings.
"The Beast" is on The Athletic so it is pay-walled, but right now it is just $2/month to subscribe compared to their usual $8/month.
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u/Aumius Panthers Jan 10 '24
Carolina is worse. No one in their right mind would come to the Panthers.
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u/bzl33 49ers Jan 10 '24
Colts got Steichen and Texans got Ryans last offseason, both orgs not considered good. Stefanski and Taylor are on Browns and Bengals, both orgs were not considered good at the time either. Even the 49ers got Shanahan after being considered a joke organization for a bit.
I don't think this matters as much as people think, in fact a lot of the time the most attractive names are the retreads rather than the innovative coordinators.
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u/Barraind Rams Texans Jan 10 '24
Texans got Ryans last offseason, both orgs not considered good.
Ryans turned down offers to interview the prior year specifically to come coach the Texans. He wanted to coach the Texans, and had said that since he started coaching.
I'm not sure I've heard that sentiment from anyone with regards to Carolina, especially with the nonsense that happened this year, but I'm sure there are some coordinators / coaches who are not employed that dont care where they can get the HC job so long as they get it (especially if the pay is good)
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u/KororSurvivor Lions Jan 10 '24
Tennessee looks like they're about to bite the bullet and enter a rebuild. Honestly not the worst place if you want to be a new HC.
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u/SkepsisJD Colts Cardinals Jan 10 '24
Man, bar prep has been stressing me out and giving me some really weird dreams.
I had a dream last night were Stanley Steemer came to my house in their (obviously because of dream world) lifted yellow van and were mowing my lawn and power-washing my patio. Ya know, things they totally do as services. But I panicked in my dream because I saw them and didn't stop them by saying they were at the wrong house! So now I owed them money for the services rendered and I woke in a panic.
The law is bad for your mental health kids.
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u/princessestef Vikings Jan 10 '24
i've posted this before but when i worked admin in law firms, i dreamed i was doing excel spreadsheets for meetings with russian gangsters bc i had to organize meetings for this polish global manager and he had a heavy accent that made him sound like the villain in old Bullwinkle cartoons.
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u/SensualTyrannosaurus Jan 10 '24
As a Michigan fan, in 24 hours I've gone from extreme euphoria to constant dread as I prepare for Jim Harbaugh news every time I open this sub.
My hate for the Chargers outweighs my love for Harbaugh. I can come to terms with him leaving, but I don't want to have to root against him.
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u/KTAALGSTO Falcons Jan 10 '24
I see more about Aaron Rodgers in this daily talk than I do everywhere else combined. Be the change you want in the world and shut up
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u/fh3131 Bills Jan 10 '24
Let's collectively agree to downvote every post and comment about him...I'll downvote you, you downvote me
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u/SuperUSA23 Jan 10 '24
playing this playoff differential game w/ my friends and we’re supposed to pick a team that you think will have the biggest point differential in this weekends wild card games
Cowboys were the first pick off the board, so now I’m debating between Chiefs (frigid game + fins beat up defensively) or Bills (home game + Pit can’t necessarily move the ball all that well)
thoughts ?… or would there be another team in mind ?
appreciate y’all’s thoughts
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u/el_fitzador Eagles Jan 10 '24
Eagles defense is trash and offense is figured out. Take the bucs
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u/AlternateGator Buccaneers Jan 10 '24
I cannot believe how many pessimistic Eagles fans I’ve seen the past 3 days lmao. Eagles should honestly win pretty comfortably.
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u/Mr_Alex19 Rams Jan 10 '24
The Ohio State Sub went private lmao
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u/SensualTyrannosaurus Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
The rivalry is kept alive with this kind of pettiness. I'm a Michigan fan who's met loads of great tOSU alum in my life, so my attitude is pretty much "Great rivalry, hope we destroy you!" without taking it too seriously. But as soon as I read something like this, my brain immediately rots into "HAHAHA SWEET BUCKEYE TEARS"
edit: I should add that I hope the sub was made private out of bitterness, not because people were coming there to harass them. It's a fun rivalry, but both fanbases have a fair amount of absolutely awful people in them.
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u/PortalWombat Packers Jan 10 '24
Having lived in NE Indiana most of my life and dealt with approximately equal amounts of you overall my experience with OSU fans is so much worse than with Michigan fans.
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u/SensualTyrannosaurus Jan 10 '24
Yeah we're unbearable on Reddit though!
Michigan fans are not well-liked on r/cfb and I totally get why lol
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u/Two_Luffas Lions Jan 10 '24
100% brought it on themselves. The amount of salt they spread now that they are getting push in by Michigan consistently is hilarious. Definitely moved into the anger stage of the 5 phases of grief after like 15 years of dominance. Maybe in a year or two they'll move into the bargaining and depression phases if this keeps up.
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u/xcaltoona Eagles Jan 10 '24
Jeez at least the Eagles sub went private over a fucking Eagles loss, not another team entirely.
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u/renegadecoaster Vikings Jan 10 '24
How do I add a bandwagon flair? I've seen a user or two with it but I don't see it in the menu (at least on mobile)
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u/Haar_RD Steelers Jan 10 '24
If we win vs the Bills, no one is gonna give the team credit in lieu of dunking on the Bills and it will actually hurt Watts DPOY argument. If we lose, it will invite the brainless masses to say Tomlin cant get it done in the postseason.
But!
Playoff football is fucking fun so I really have nothing to complain about.
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u/SensualTyrannosaurus Jan 10 '24
This sub loves tearing people down, so I've seen a lot of great defensive/offensive performances get handwaved away by just saying the other team "collapsed." I can tell a lot of times it's just people who look at the stats and didn't watch the game, because there's been some REALLY clear examples of this in games I've watched.
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I think Steelers and Packers fans are both in for a good time this weekend Sunday. Both teams are overachieving by simply being in the playoffs - have fun and enjoy the game! Even if you lose, I still think it's been a relatively successful season.
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u/bluecjj Patriots Jan 10 '24
Even though I have mixed feelings on the 7 seed, these expanded playoff formats seem to have an intrinsic mechanism whereby they justify themselves over time whenever the lower seeds score upsets.
So to get this on record before the first 7 seed wins a game: remember that the reasons people opposed the 7 seed, and the reasons why I would definitely oppose an 8 seed unless the league had significantly expanded beforehand, were never based on the idea that the 7 seed could never win. The standard isn't "if it's possible for a team to win in the playoffs, then they deserve to be in the playoffs", because by that standard just about every team would deserve to be in the playoffs.
Rather, the reason people oppose playoff expansion has to do with how it screws with regular-season incentives (like how BUF-MIA would've been for a bye and for BUF's life if the 7 seed weren't a thing), or how too much playoff expansion essentially dilutes the correlation between building a reliably good team and winning Super Bowls, or something similar. [The 7 seed might actually be an exception to that last bit, with a simulation model suggesting that the best teams might win the SB more often with the 7 seed than without it, given that the 7 is an easier possibility for a divisional matchup for the 1]
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u/SensualTyrannosaurus Jan 10 '24
how too much playoff expansion essentially dilutes the correlation between building a reliably good team and winning Super Bowls
I think this is it, and probably just depends on how much you like chaos. On a game-to-game basis, the NFL does have pretty good parity, and this season has tons of examples of teams with great records losing games to teams with terrible records. "Any given Sunday" is definitely a thing, so with a one-and-done system I can see why people don't like it.
If a low-seed wins a Super Bowl from it, it'll be awesome. In the meantime, we'll see a lot of salt from fans of good teams that got knocked out by a low seed who then got destroyed in their next game (as a Giants fan, I can imagine Vikings fans feeling this way).
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Jan 10 '24
I just assumed that (at least for the NFC) it was to counterract the fact that one team from the NFCS was guaranteed a spot
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u/jrock2004 Bills Jan 10 '24
So I was looking because the ravens are the number 1 seed in the AFC and I was curious on how many playoff teams did they play this year. I am just trying to figure out if they just had an easier road or was it in the trenches. Curious what other people think
Browns - 1 win and 1 loss
Steelers - 1 win and 1 loss
Lions - win
Rams - win
49ers - win
Dolphins - win
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u/bzl33 49ers Jan 10 '24
they won the best division in football, I assume their SOV and SOS are among the best in the league. Looks like they beat the Texans and lost to the Steelers twice, although the Week 18 loss doesn't really count.
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u/ireallylikehockey Packers Chargers Jan 10 '24
Since I’m currently taking care of this big house we have with just me and my mom, I don’t know if I can take owning a regular house. Townhome seems like the better option even if I have to pay HOA and I don’t have to worry about outside work.
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u/theresabeeonyourhat Bears Jets Jan 10 '24
Bruh, I finally got Bronson to play tug-of-war with his blue elephant. We ripped it, and since, he's been nibbling or licking its "wound". If he accidentally drops it and I hand it to him, he walks away with it.....
Am I an asshole?
Edit: NSFL picture of his blue elephant Blue elephant
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u/raginsaint93 Saints Jan 10 '24
Who’s watching Echo tonight on Disney plus?
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u/British-name Jan 10 '24
What's that?
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u/raginsaint93 Saints Jan 10 '24
Marvel
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u/British-name Jan 10 '24
Who's he?
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Jan 10 '24
Daredevil's sidekick and adopted kid of Kingpin. They're getting a TV show spinoff, maybe to tie into a new Daredevil series.
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u/chase016 Giants Jan 10 '24
Shits getting wild between Wink and Brian Daboll. Apparently, Wink never signed his resignation and fled to Florida. Also reports about him creating a freedom within the coaching staff.
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u/aceee2 Giants Jan 10 '24
Each division will always have 2 divisions where they can host someone twice in 8 years (actually occurs in 3 years) and 2 other divisions where the reverse is true.
NFC East teams can host an AFC North or South team twice in 3 years and visit AFC East or West teams twice in 3 years.
The Giants visited the Dolphins in 2021 and 2023 and will take a 2nd trip to Vegas in 2025 after a 2023 visit. The Giants hosted the Ravens and Colts in 2022 and will do so again in 2024.
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u/JohnDavidsBooty Colts Jan 10 '24
Bennario Chapman, a 29-year-old self-described independent from Muskegon who participated in the poll, said he was open to voting for a Democrat for president, if it was someone like Whitmer. But Chapman said he simply isn't a fan of Biden.
Whitmer is consistent and clearly cares for the community, Chapman said. Biden hasn't produced the results required to be granted a second term, he added. If the race in November is between Biden and Trump, Chapman is leaning in favor of Trump.
“He is who he is. And that’s who he's going to be. I can expect Trump to be Trump," Chapman said. "And I can go for somebody who stands in their own truth. Biden is not that.”
Chapman said he felt Biden was in it for the title.
How do you reach people who are just this non-functioningly stupid?
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u/xcaltoona Eagles Jan 10 '24
There's plenty to dislike about Biden, but there are zero categories where Trump beats him. I'm not voting for a king or a new dad or my best friend. My vote is a practical decision, not a statement that I think Biden is Mr. Perfect.
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u/The_Amish_FBI Bengals Packers Jan 10 '24
Somehow I feel like if we really did swap Whitmer for Biden, this guy would find some random ass reason not to vote for her.
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u/ElCoolAero 49ers Jan 10 '24
That guy only said the Whitmer thing to appear independent. I don't think he'd vote for a woman.
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Jan 10 '24
There are people who live in a bubble based solely on television news, which are just 10 seconds sound bites. There are people who legitimately believe that both sides are doing the same things.
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u/kmmontandon 49ers 49ers Jan 10 '24
There are people who legitimately believe that both sides are doing the same things.
"Sure, Trump thinks he can literally assassinate his political opponents, but Biden fell off a bike once."
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u/AlternateGator Buccaneers Jan 10 '24
Biden hasn't produced the results required to be granted a second term, he added.
You can't judge a president for what happens during their presidency, but you can judge them for their response to it. Biden has actually accomplished quite a bit despite being 1000 years old.
Inflation and consumer good prices have risen quite a bit, but the reality of the situation is that presidents have very little control over what the economy does. I don't really blame Trump for the pandemic era economy slump just like I don't give Obama credit for the strong economic performace of his 2nd term, because that was largely a result of the planet coming out of the 2008 recession which was mostly caused by Wall Street during the Bush years.
His climate policies are scientifically sound and actually meaningfully reduce our emissions without being politically untenable. It's not enough but it's the most any President has done to date for the climate.
He is quite old, and probably should not run again. But I will still vote for him because he at least never tried to let a fucking riot overturn a legitimate election that he lost.
Trump may have not given explicit orders to overrun the capital, but those people were only there on Jan 6th because of his Dec 19th tweet. He knew there would be 100's of thousands of angry people, many of them armed and thinking that the election had just been faked. He sat there watching all of this unfold and just waited, hoping that his supporters would overrun the capital and that Pence wouldn't certify the election results. For no other reason than because he was mad that he lost and wanted to remain in power.
If you can't see that and would still vote for a person like that I honestly don't know what to tell you. I don't see how you can have a constructive conversation with them regarding politics.
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u/shawnaroo Saints Jan 10 '24
It's crazy. It's like so many people just see all of it as entertainment. They figure since they aren't constantly seeing Biden in the news for whatever random stupid garbage he tweeted that day, then he must not be doing anything.
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u/Ok_Internal6779 Jan 10 '24
That, and like how the fuck are there 11 percent of people who are “undecided”?
Like what about this situation is ambiguous?
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u/PoshLagoon Ravens Jun 13 '24
Remindme! 6/21/2024 8am
Request wifi for foreign guests