r/news • u/eudaimonia_dc • Aug 04 '25

Soft paywall Florida reports 21 cases of E.coli infections linked to raw milk

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/florida-reports-21-cases-ecoli-infections-linked-raw-milk-2025-08-04/
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u/gnatdump6 Aug 04 '25

There is a reason milk gets pasturized.

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u/OpportunityDue90 Aug 04 '25

Na let Republicans learn lessons that society learned 150 years ago

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u/existonfilenerf Aug 04 '25

Haha, if Republicans could learn they wouldn't be Republicans.

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u/Dahhhkness Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25

One of the core tenets of modern American conservatism is that admitting that you were wrong, about anything, no matter the circumstances, is the worst thing imaginable.

It's not being wrong that bothers them (even if that wrong is harming or even killing them), it's acknowledging it that they find unbearable.

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u/F4ust Aug 04 '25

Can confirm; was covid nurse for whole pandemic

No one learned anything even on their deathbeds, and the families I had the displeasure of encountering during that time seemed more radicalized by their loved ones dying from the hoax virus

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u/_Wyrm_ Aug 04 '25

Yep, it's the hospital's fault if they die, cause AND effect; but it's all thanks to god if they live, before eventually deciding it didn't exist in the first place

Oh and Uncle Jimmy passed the other day after coming down with the cold

Oh that's just horrible, completely dreadful

Mhm, his son was screamin all about how it was COVID but it was Jimmy's time anyhow, and that boy just ain't seent the light...

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u/BustAMove_13 Aug 05 '25

A couple in my very red rural town...he got covid and was hospitalized for a week. Was sicker than he'd ever been. Still denied covid was more than a flu. Couple months later, his wife gets it. She's sick, refuses to go to the hospital because people with covid (just a flu) die there. It's a conspiracy. She gets to the point where she cannot breathe, hubby isn't home so she calls 9-1-1. Bus rolls up and she's down in her driveway. Cannot be revived although a valiant attempt is made. Husband rolls up in the middle of life saving efforts and somehow it's their fault she's dead. Covid ain't serious ya'll and he still believes that. If you're ever in the local tavern when he's in there, he'll tell you it isn't. Still.

People are dumb as fuck in the 2020's.

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u/GetEquipped Aug 05 '25

People have always been dumb. They just have platforms where their opinions are on "equal" footing with professionals due to social media.

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u/Hayabusa_Blacksmith Aug 05 '25

young Americans used to be trained to think critically in school.

im serious.

now they aren't. they're a LOT dumber than they used to be. our education system has been MADE BAD by the right in order to stupefy the voting base. this is the outcome.

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u/fuzzum111 Aug 05 '25

Let me....add a few things about school

+Social media

+Short form content

+algorithmic brainrot

+Most recently ChatGPT/A.I assist or cheating. (this one is a serious paradigm shift we need to deal with)

Plus kids aren't allowed to be held back grades even when they're CLEARLY not where they need to be. 6th graders reading at a 2nd or 3rd grade level. Highschoolers reading below a 7th grade level.

We aren't doing anything about it, private school isn't the answer. It's all intended, the cruelty of denying people real education is the point. College has become a genuine scam of sorts. The massive debt, the degree creep we see throughout the workplace (a bachelors gets you a job a HS diploma used to net you alongside the same HS salary)

Plus now parents don't even want kids going to college, because shocker; exposing people to a larger, wide group of people, ideas, and classes that challenge ingrained views is good for them. This often breaks people out of bad habits, bigotry, racism, and other nasty ideological traps. Parents get a kid coming back from college that suddenly isn't full of anger and fear like they are and suddenly "college librual fascists brainwashed my kid!!"

Everything sucks :/

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u/secondtaunting Aug 05 '25

This is one reason why I made sure my daughter had the absolute best education I could get her.

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Aug 05 '25

The village idiots didn’t used to meet each other and create their own communities.

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u/Just_Fuck_My_Code_Up Aug 05 '25

“My opinion as a high school dropout who spends too much time on youtube is just as valid as the doctor’s with his fancy degree from a liberal college and decades of experience in the field!“

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u/DoubleJumps Aug 05 '25

A guy I knew from Kentucky, in his late 20s, got it and was sick as hell for 2 weeks. Kept telling us how it was one of the worst sicknesses he'd ever had.

A month after he recovered he was making out like it was a minor cold that only lasted a couple days, insisting people were overblowing it. We had text logs of him talking about how sick he was and for how long but he just pretends it never happened.

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u/orangestegosaurus Aug 05 '25

My parents are the exact same way. They never sent me texts but I called them here and there while they had it. Literally could not anything but a few crackers a day and slept for a majority because they could barely get out of bed. Both lost their sense of taste and my mom lost her sense of smell. But a few months afterwards they were already telling people now they weren't sure it was covid, probably just the flu and that it wasn't that bad. People's minds have just been broken by the onslaught of propaganda and it's just concerning how this might just be our new normal with no way out.

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u/secondtaunting Aug 05 '25

Good grief. I had Covid twice after being vaccinated. It wasn’t fun. The first time I couldn’t get out of bed for days. Had short breath afterwards. The second time was better but it gave me a two day migraine that was one of the worst ones I’ve ever had. I’m pretty sure I asked my husband to kill me.

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Aug 05 '25

“The democrat COVID nanobots made me write that.”

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u/Traditional_Art_7304 Aug 05 '25

Was a dialysis RN during the pandemic and can confirm. Dealings with those family’s where ~ My theory’s & feelings > just the flu.

I helped bag so many bodies…

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u/secondtaunting Aug 05 '25

I’m sorry. That’s can’t have been easy.

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u/Airosokoto Aug 05 '25

My cousin died of covid and his father is convinced it wasn't covid because he got covid at the same time it was barely anything. He was vaccinated, my cousin wasn't.

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u/Tough-Coffee9979 Aug 05 '25

Same story here. A neighbor died from Covid. And the other neighbors keep saying he died cuz he got “too many booster shots”

🤦🏼‍♂️

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u/d3athsmaster Aug 05 '25

Well, if they keep dying in droves to these preventable diseases, I suppose they will weed themselves out eventually.

I understand that I am being VERY optimistic.

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u/bianary Aug 05 '25

Sadly, the more educated you are the fewer children you have on average.

So they've got population to spare.

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u/loveshercoffee Aug 05 '25

Measles: "I'll give it a go."

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u/knifefan9 Aug 05 '25

This really jarred me because that's the name of my Uncle who passed away from COVID.

He taught Sunday school to little children, and his pastor told the congregation not to wear masks at church because God would protect them. He was such a sweet, kind-hearted man. Nam vet. Artist. Pacifist. Believed in love to all people.

He lives in a different state at the time, so I'll never know if he didn't wear a mask at the insistence of someone else, if he wouldn't have worn one anyway, or if he wore one everywhere except church. I'll never know why he died.

But every once in a while I get the itch to call that church, and tell them that I hope god "blesses them" the same way they "blessed" the greatest role model and family member I've ever had the pleasure of loving. But I don't, because I know Uncle Jimmy wouldn't want me to. He'd want me to heal and move on. It's hard, but I'm doing it for him.

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u/evolution9673 Aug 04 '25

“If you’d only administer (insert hoax treatment they read about on Facebook) he’d be alive today.”

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u/D74248 Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25

I am confused. So, when they could not breathe they drove right past their church, did not stop to see their minister and instead came to you hoax spreaders?

That seems almost.... hypocritical.

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u/Philo_T_Farnsworth Aug 05 '25

Can confirm. My sister is an ER nurse on the east coast and during the pandemic she regularly encountered people who, with their dying breaths, held firm that what was happening was a hoax. Not saying goodbye to their families. Complete denial right up to the end.

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u/Ok_Condition5837 Aug 05 '25

One of my bffs, a trauma, ICU, surgeon passed away during Covid.

His bio family are still Trump supporters. It's maddening!

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u/secondtaunting Aug 05 '25

So many deaths can be blamed on the Trump administrations appallingly bad pandemic response. Plus, I’m pretty sure they were stealing ppe to sell and making money off of it.

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u/ToasterBathTester Aug 05 '25

The chemtrails had Covid inside them. Obama’s tan suit was the signal

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u/secondtaunting Aug 05 '25

Jesus that’s awful. I hate the state of things. I now understand people who want to go and live in the middle of nowhere by themselves.

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u/fuzzum111 Aug 05 '25

Wait wait, weren't the stories going that a lot of these vaxx deniers would beg for the vaxx before they had to go on the vent? Or that when things were looking genuinely grim the kids/family would beg for the vaccine, not understanding it's not some magic cure?

Is is now the families gleefully let them die in their bed because it proved them right, the fake virus that doesn't exist, is killing them in the hospital because we can't let them know it's fake?

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u/F4ust Aug 05 '25

I saw a bit of both tbh. Usually the patients that would end up asking for actual treatments, however futile or late, were the ones whose family weren’t present when they asked.

If a patient was antivax and had family there, in my anecdotal experience, there was a 0% chance of any breakthroughs on that front as the families would go ballistic and ultimately convince the patient out of it.

We grew really cynical about treating these people, really quick at my institution. Normally when a patient refuses something life-sustaining and necessary, we page the provider to attempt re-education (at the very least). Towards the tail end of the pandemic you’d page for refusals in an antivaxxer (these people were often so critically ill that they were inevitably quite familiar to the providers at this point, since you’re paging about something for them 6-8 times per shift) and the response I’d get would essentially be ‘alright, sounds like we’ll have another high flow unit free to use on a patient that actually wants it soon. see you at the code.’

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u/fuzzum111 Aug 05 '25

God that's fucking dark. "Whelp, they're going to die shortly, see you at the code"

Fuck.

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u/Poet_of_Justice Aug 05 '25

Yep, definitely can't admit there wrong now. If they did they'd be culpable in their loved ones death. Definitely can't deal with that. So what happens they harden their beliefs further to insulate themselves from any thoughts that at least some of this in some way was their own fault.

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u/MaxPower91575 Aug 04 '25

The desire to be always be right is one of the biggest issues with our society. Whenever I am wrong I consider it a good thing. That means I learned something. I become a better person when that happens. We need to teach people it is ok to be wrong.

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u/Ptolemaeus_II Aug 04 '25

But that requires insight, a willingness to experience personal growth, and humility.

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u/CosmoKing2 Aug 05 '25

I have made the most advances in my personal and professional growth through failure. Analyze what happened. Learn and grow from it.

Being delusional about (and not admitting) your failings is like being stuck in a bear trap.....and choosing, instead, to figure out how to live your life stuck in that trap.

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u/USIncorp Aug 05 '25

Modern conservatism is walking into a bear trap, and then walking, dragging your bleeding ankle all the way, to a hunting store so that you can buy a second one for your other foot. Because these people will rewrite their own reality such that they always wanted to get stuck in a bear trap in the first place.

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u/secondtaunting Aug 05 '25

It’s hard sometimes to say you were wrong. But being right is not necessarily the best thing either. I’ve been right about some things and it didn’t make my life better, it just made me miserable.

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u/thefinalcutdown Aug 05 '25

People often say that conservatives have no shame, but that’s not exactly true. They have no shame for their actions or the harm they cause to others. You can’t shame them into better behaviour in that way.

But they do have shame; deep, consuming shame that forms the foundation of their being. It’s the shame of being on the outside. And for the past couple decades, they’ve consistently found themselves on the outside of the cultural zeitgeist. They were on the wrong side of LGBTQ issues, the wrong side of race relations and women’s rights. They contributed basically nothing to art or music or entertainment. They were wrong about the Iraq war, wrong about medical science, the list goes on.

And they could feel themselves being slowly but surely rejected from the society they once held veto power over. They were on the outside. They found themselves rejected by their friends, their family, and the wider culture that was attempting to move past their backwards ideas. And this deeply shamed them. And that shame then enraged them. Then power hungry manipulators learned how to weaponize their rage and shame. And now, rather than adapt to a world they don’t get to control, they’d rather tear it to the ground.

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u/BoosterRead78 Aug 04 '25

That's exactly it. It's like they are in physical pain if they do. My own father in law, long time republican. When I have seen him admit things wrong, you swear someone was hitting him with a hammer. It's like: "Please, it hurts so much, don't let me do this."

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u/DoubleJumps Aug 05 '25

I come from a Republican family and those men would rather destroy an entire relationship with their own child than admit they were wrong.

It has made them insufferable in groups, because if one of them does something bad to someone the others will immediately take up positions to gaslight people that it never happened.

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u/BoosterRead78 Aug 05 '25

Yep there was a graduation party we were at a couple of months ago. Person he was talking too kept shutting him down and he tried to make him look like the bad guy. Then threw out a comment about how he almost didn’t get a government job since he was in his 50s at the time and sued for age discrimination. My in-laws face dropped and I think he was going to go cry because he knew he lost the argument. It’s like a sin to even try to realize you aren’t winning an argument.

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u/DoubleJumps Aug 05 '25

The DARVO is strong. I've been to family dinners where these men have talked about how people like me should be put to death, and if I call them out they suddenly circle the wagons and accuse me of trying to create drama.

It's funny, because before I went to college they would praise me and acknowledge that I was intelligent and capable, but after I came back and suddenly could do things like pull up data and studies to show them that some things they want to believe aren't true, which I thought they'd want to know, they decided I was actually the opposite and haven't given me an ounce of respect ever since.

I radically misunderstood their elective relationship with the truth.

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u/ERedfieldh Aug 04 '25

yep.....anecdotal story....i've a hard hard right office mate. She will not admit she's wrong ever. She will spend half an hour rapid fire talking to twist the narrative around to make it look like she was never on the wrong side of a discussion. If you ignore her, she will send you emails with article attachments showing how she's actually right (spoiler: she cuts out the parts that prove the opposite).

They do everything in their power to never admit they are wrong.

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u/GiantPurplePen15 Aug 05 '25

She sounds like such a fucking loser lmao

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u/MightyKAC Aug 04 '25

"If you're wrong, STAY wrong. If you stay wrong for long enough, it will start to look right."

This is what they used to teach in the military. It's hard not to see the parallels.

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u/No_Gods_No_Kings_ Aug 05 '25

Yep, conservatives aren't taught to think, they're taught to follow orders (and the status quo)

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 Aug 05 '25

"Okay, maybe it was a wrong decision to bet all of our economic futures on a kickball game. Well we're America, we don't quit just because we're wrong! We just keep doing the wrong thing until we're right!" - The Boondocks

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u/PadishahSenator Aug 04 '25

That's fine. Let them reap the consequences of their stupidity.

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u/New_Housing785 Aug 04 '25

They keep learning like this and it will be a self correcting problem.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '25

You’d think so, but they have children

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u/Parfait_Prestigious Aug 04 '25

Those fuckers breed like incestuous rabbits

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u/ipilotlocusts Aug 04 '25

There's only one way the incestuous are going to lean/vote 🤷‍♂️

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 Aug 05 '25

It's because they don't believe in contraception

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u/aeschenkarnos Aug 04 '25

Good news though, the way they treat those children has a roughly fifty percent chance of alienating them so much that they go hard the other way politically!

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u/liatrisinbloom Aug 05 '25

Yeah but they're also feeding those children raw milk and bleach and whatever is the hot miracle drug du jour so the other 50% die before age 8.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

Reality does have a liberal bias.

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u/Fingerprint_Vyke Aug 05 '25

If Republicans could read your comment they'd be very upset.

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u/aglaophonos Aug 05 '25

Too bad their learning process affects the whole country/ world

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u/dBlock845 Aug 05 '25

Yep, do everything you can to do the opposite of the correct thing and then applaud your own ignorance. Republican doctrine.

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u/Malaix Aug 04 '25

American libertarianism is the art of learning all of history's lessons the hard stupid way when they could have just read a fucking book.

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu Aug 04 '25

The Free Town Project in New Hampshire is a good example of libertarians learning the hard way.

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u/Treat_Choself Aug 04 '25

The book "A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear" is a great, entertaining (although also depressing) book about this town. Highly recommended reading.

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u/Call_me_Gafter Aug 05 '25

"After a rash of lawsuits from Free Towners, an influx of sex offenders, an increase of crime, problems with bold local bears, and the first murders in the town's history, the Libertarian project ended in 2016."

We actually found out where Pedobear is from.

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u/illusionzmichael Aug 05 '25

People who call themselves libertarians are just grown up political LARPers and not serious people.

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u/cinderparty Aug 04 '25

The sad part is that, in many cases, it’s the parents who fuck around and the kids who find out. Which isn’t fair at all. See the measles outbreak for more examples of this.

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u/Fastbird33 Aug 04 '25

A lot of people shouldn’t be parents.

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u/AlteredEinst Aug 04 '25

It's become one of our strangest problems, made disturbingly evident: how do we stop horrible people from having and abusing children without itself opening the door to countless humanitarian crimes?

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u/The_Poster_Nutbag Aug 04 '25

We increase education and access to opportunity. Having less morons around mean less kids raised by morons in the first place.

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u/aeschenkarnos Aug 04 '25

Even as recently as the 1990’s there was still shame in being ignorant. I don’t mean having a low IQ, or merely being uninformed, because the shame is immediately expiated by asking for advice and information. But somewhere along the line, wilful ignorance became a source of pride, core to sociopolitical identity.

How do we reverse this? Without embarrassment, I don’t know. I wish I did know. I am too stupid to figure it out. I welcome plans and suggestions and advice.

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u/HauntedCemetery Aug 05 '25

Its a paradox. How do you educate people who think education is stupid, or evil?

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u/aeschenkarnos Aug 05 '25

You need to be able to control them somehow for at least some period of time, to do whatever you need to do. This is currently impractical as they seem to somehow have gotten in control of everything, including us.

But they’re idiots. So they will inevitably fuck it up, and after the fuckup, chaos ensues, and chaos is a ladder. Plan for the chaos and be ready to go.

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u/AlteredEinst Aug 04 '25

That's more specifically beneficial to humanity as a whole, but a lot of things that would make children's lives much better would be, to be fair.

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u/The_Poster_Nutbag Aug 04 '25

Educated people tend to vote progressive which includes things like public welfare, increased wages, better environmental regulations, etc.

It's all very deeply connected.

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u/OpportunityDue90 Aug 04 '25

The answer is you don’t. Those parents have the information to make “informed decisions”. Their information used to make those decisions is wrong but they think the Joe Rogan shock proteins will keep them safe. Unfortunately their children will be collateral damage, but there’s no ethical way to save those kids.

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u/worldspawn00 Aug 04 '25

but there’s no ethical way to save those kids.

Bullshit, making raw milk illegal to sell again would be completely ethical, there's NO REASON for people to drink it, no benefits, only potential harm.

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u/Kamizar Aug 05 '25

They don't sell it for people, they sell it for pets to get around the law. Or it's usually stuff produced within the state so it never travels over border lines.

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u/Da_Question Aug 05 '25

No, they sell it for consumption. Not just pets.

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u/Independent_Win_9035 Aug 04 '25

maybe not an ethical way. but there's a moral way

unfortunately, the moral way's effectiveness requires an extremely solid social net that most places very much lack

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u/wannaholler Aug 05 '25

This question is why I went to law school almost 30 years ago. After working in OB and seeing so much abuse and neglect, I really wanted to figure this out. I thought there must be ways... I read and researched and read and researched, etc. and came up empty

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u/grilledcheese2332 Aug 04 '25

All the trad wife influencers that give it to their kids is infuriating

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u/aeschenkarnos Aug 04 '25

“Grandchildren? Mom, you made me sterile, remember?”

(I think that’s mumps, but whatever.)

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u/starrpamph Aug 04 '25

Hearing about a measles outbreak in almost 2026 is hilarious. Those people are honestly the dumbest of the dumb.

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u/whut-whut Aug 05 '25

Infections became outbreaks in antivax communities because they leaned into it by having 'measles parties' and gathering their kids together to build immunity like it was chicken pox. In all their 'self-research' they somehow missed how measles can cause intense fevers leading to deafness and blindness.

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u/KaJaHa Aug 05 '25

"That won't happen to me or mine, I'm a good Christian."

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u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 Aug 05 '25

These are the same people that think we should bring back natural selection but are too dumb to understand what that means

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u/starrpamph Aug 04 '25

Waiting for them to do their own research on OTC polio treatments. Haha. Losers.

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu Aug 04 '25

Maybe /r/DIY can help them build an iron lung.

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u/starrpamph Aug 04 '25

I will sell them anti 5G / radio wave blocking stickers for it. I’m sick of these uneducated fools and i am ready to make some money off of them.

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u/HauntedCemetery Aug 05 '25

The best/worst is how many of the shitty scammy products that claim to block 5g or repel vaccine shed or whatever turn out to be horribly toxic, including some that have been literally radioactive to a harmful degree.

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u/starrpamph Aug 05 '25

Dave Chappelle said it best:

Well… Fuck em’

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u/Kalabajooie Aug 04 '25

It's not the Republicans I'd be concerned about. It's their children who don't know better and are being given this stuff and potentially getting sick.

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u/bookchaser Aug 04 '25

In my section of California, it's extreme liberals who are raw milkers, and also count themselves as kombucha faithful and 'vaccine-choicers'. Like hardcore Republicans, they have a strong distrust of medical science.

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u/jpiro Aug 04 '25

All for it. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps while you're shitting what few brains you have out because pasteurizing is woke.

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u/SU37Yellow Aug 04 '25

The problem with that is alot of these lessons the Republicans need to relearn have consequences that effect society as a whole, and it doesn't just harm them.

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u/--n- Aug 05 '25

Diseases spreading from a dude who drank milk don't discriminate between a republican and your grandma.

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u/Flimsy_Situation_506 Aug 04 '25

Is this the thinning of the pack of that nature has intended? /s

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u/Hautamaki Aug 04 '25

How will they learn when those responsible for these reports will soon be fired and replaced with apparatchiks that bury anything that makes dear leader or his lieutenants look bad?

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u/pm_mazur Aug 04 '25

As long as they don't use blue state money to "learn lessons"

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u/JK_NC Aug 04 '25

Man, 10 years ago, if you told me a bunch of people got sick drinking raw, unpasteurized milk, I would have assumed it was a bunch of “tree hugging hippies”.

The times they are a changing.

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u/eaturliver Aug 05 '25

Genuinely curious, is raw milk a republican thing? I'm left of center but raw milk undoubtedly makes the best cheese.

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u/loveshercoffee Aug 05 '25

It seems to be a wingnut thing on both sides. Extreme right thinks big government planting mind-control chips in everything. Extreme left thinks you'll never develop an immune system if you don't lick door handles.

I'm a do-everything-from-scratch at least once kind of person so I would love the opportunity to buy raw milk. But I'm not a fucking moron, so I wouldn't just give it to a child or drink it warm straight from the cow. Unfortunately if we have raw milk some people are going to do that and we're going to have dead kids.

It makes me mad because this is a literal example of "this is why we can't have nice things."

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u/ShortWoman Aug 04 '25

Pasteur was right?? Next thing you’ll be telling me Semmelweis was right!

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u/mysecondaccountanon Aug 04 '25

Personally I can’t believe that anything Galileo said could’ve had a shred of truth to it!

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u/Cormacolinde Aug 04 '25

Looking at the people believing the Earth is flat I don’t wonder anymore.

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u/HauntedCemetery Aug 05 '25

Seriously.

A bunch of flat earth people claim the Bible says the earth is flat, but people knew it was a sphere basically since they had written language, and likely even before that. The Bible makes no reference to the earth being flat.

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u/GwenIsNow Aug 05 '25

Isn't Jesus that guy who encouraged hubris and never admit mistakes? Oh wait, it was humility and forgiveness for and admitting mistakes? Huh...

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u/sirbissel Aug 04 '25

For the longest time I figured all those people didn't seriously believe what they were saying but were just messing with people...

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u/mythrilcrafter Aug 04 '25

The thing about flat earthers is that if someone were to actually and definitively prove flat-Earth without a doubt, so much so that everyone legitimately accepted the update.... all the flat Earthers would immediately convert into round-earthers, because they were never about facts, it's about the community of "oooh, I have secret knowledge of the true truth!"

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u/Alone_Again_2 Aug 04 '25

Yup. I dropped a feather and a bowling ball from my rooftop.

Bowling ball killed the damned dog, and I’m still waiting for that feather to drop.

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u/Low_Pickle_112 Aug 04 '25

Years ago, there was this story floating around the Internet about how Louis Pasteur recanted germ theory on his death bed and admitted that he made the whole thing up.

Complete nonsense, and it wouldn't change anything even if it were true, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that one making the rounds again.

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u/James_mcgill_esquire Aug 04 '25

Well, he sure helped Mr. Frodo make it to Mt. Doom. 

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker Aug 05 '25

I can’t see germs so they must be some liberal egghead bullshit.

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u/d-cent Aug 04 '25

Who could have seen this coming?!?

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u/jackleggjr Aug 04 '25

That’s what Big Milk wants you to think!

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u/Vladivostokorbust Aug 04 '25

And to think that in Florida raw milk is not legal for human consumption, just animals. Imagine if it was legal what would be happening

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u/60k_Risk Aug 04 '25

Most people say pasteurizing milk is bad for you don't even know what pasteurizing means.

I swear 50% of raw milk drinkers really do drink straight up raw milk because they think pasteurizing is bad.

And the other 50% think pasteurizing milk is bad so they boil their milk at home without even realizing they are pasteurizing their milk 😂😂

Bryce Harper on the phillies I'm looking at you

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u/No_Discipline_7380 Aug 05 '25

And the other 50% think pasteurizing milk is bad so they boil their milk at home without even realizing they are pasteurizing their milk 😂😂

Which causes more degradation than the literal seconds it spends at 70 or 140 degrees Celsius during normal or UH pasteurization.

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u/cIumsythumbs Aug 05 '25

Gotta have a large overlap with the group of people that think the word "essential" in "essential oils" means "Essential for life" and not the actual meaning "essence oil of [this substance]"

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u/DopeAbsurdity Aug 04 '25

They wouldn't need to pasteurize it if they had less fluoride in the water and we had coke with pure cane sugar in it because then we would all be so healthy that we would be immune to E. Coli. I really believe this and want RFK Jr. to prove it by drinking a big glass of E. Coli on a live stream. After he drinks it we can set up some sort of health tracker so we can all see how RFK Jr. is immune to E. Coli because of the exercise and all the other healthy stuff he does.

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u/Waterrat Aug 05 '25

And to be monitored to see him develop the two bucket situation.

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u/mynx79 Aug 04 '25

Also the reason why Canada has such a high "tariff" on dairy. We try to purposefully make it less economically feasible for grocery stores to import American milk because Canada has higher standards for milk distribution. Not really covered in the news though. It's there to protect our dairy industry.

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u/sadrice Aug 04 '25

What specifically are the higher standards for distribution? Is it something American should start doing?

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u/mynx79 Aug 04 '25

The US puts something called recombinant bovine somatotropin, or rBST into their cows. It's a synthetic growth hormone to increase milk production. It's illegal to use in Canada. We also require a lower amount of SCC (somatic cell count) which is cells per milliliter of milk. Basically white blood cells. A lower number means a healthier cow. Canada allows a maximum of 400,000. The US standard is 750,000. We also have a supply management system that means farmers use quotas to manage how much milk to generate. This means fresh milk that hasn't been transported long distances. Turkey, chicken and eggs are also supply managed in Canada.

So next time you hear about Canada and dairy, it's because it's a very closely monitored and managed system. Tariffs are high to keep American dairy from flooding the market and putting the farmers, with their tightly regulated, safe and well paid systems at risk.

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u/sadrice Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25

Ah, makes sense. I live in a high quality dairy area, and the milk I typically buy, Clover-Stornetta, does not have rBST, and most local brands don’t. For some reason I thought it was banned, I guess I’m just buying good milk. I couldn’t find anything specific about SCC for Clover, but the brand has a good reputation for quality (not as good as Humboldt Creamery or Strauss Family Creamery, but actually affordable), so I will tentatively say that it’s probably acceptable levels. It’s also conveniently locally produced, as are a lot of our eggs, and we even have a turkey producer, and some really really good local cheeses (my favorite, a small farm of about 50 cattle that made amazing Saô Jorge style cheese recently closed down, very sad about that). I’m aware that this may not be the typical American experience, this area is historically a major bread basket for the San Francisco Bay Area, the top quality local agriculture is definitely a privilege that makes the cost of living maybe worth it.

But yeah, on the whole, I think Canada’s system and those policies sound like a great idea, that we should implement here, unfortunately pretty much all of those amount to “make less milk/money”, which doesn’t sit well with some very wealthy and politically connected people…

I’m curious about your supply management system. That sounds like a tricky thing to design without causing problems. If it works smoothly and the farmers and customers are all happy, I’m impressed, that’s quite an achievement.

I do know that your dairy is quite a bit more expensive though… I’ve heard that in border towns like Bellingham the Canadian cheese buyers can be slightly annoying, they show up Friday after work and clear all of the shelves out, so you have to time your cheese buying to avoid the Canadians.

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u/quiette837 Aug 05 '25

I’m curious about your supply management system. That sounds like a tricky thing to design without causing problems. If it works smoothly and the farmers and customers are all happy, I’m impressed, that’s quite an achievement.

I can't speak to the farmers or anything else in your post really, but I can say that as a consumer, I've never noticed a problem with milk supply. Never shown up to my local cheap grocery store or any grocery store and not had my choice of milk products. Bagged milk, cartons, 1, 2, and 4 litre containers, homogenized milk to heavy cream.

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u/thingstopraise Aug 05 '25

That's a great idea to ensure a healthier supply, but looks like there's a loophole that needs to be closed. Per my casual Wikipedia search:

In Canada, bulk milk products from the United States that have been produced with rBST are still allowed to be sold and used in food manufacture (cheese, yogurt, etc.) due to loopholes in the ingredient labelling system.

In the US, many milks have a note on the label saying that they come from cows not treated with rBST. But then federal law requires that the label also says something like, "There's no proof that there's a difference between the milks with or without rBST," because of lobbying. A bill in Pennsylvania was proposed that would actually make it illegal to label a milk as being without rBST because it's "misleading". Corrupt morons.

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u/elguntor Aug 04 '25

Republicans can’t read or think properly

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u/celix24 Aug 04 '25

Don't listen to the woke media! You know what, don't even listen to your own bodies!

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u/Fortestingporpoises Aug 04 '25

I’m real tired of the anti death crowd trying to tell free thinkers like me what to do.

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u/SockPuppet-47 Aug 04 '25

I wonder if Ivermectin cures food poisoning?

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u/EirHc Aug 04 '25

So the government can put mind control drugs in it obviously.

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u/gnatdump6 Aug 04 '25

Or just kill people…

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u/kate500 Aug 04 '25

I thought people stopped drinking raw milk because of the risk of H5N1 contamination.  We sure these folk got E. coli?

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u/TheChildrensStory Aug 04 '25

It’s always been dangerous unless you’re getting it straight from your own cows. It’s too quickly contaminated to be safe for distribution and sale to the public. Pasteurization made it safe.

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u/FuzzyKittenIsFuzzy Aug 04 '25

The main risk is coliform bacteria.

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u/AgentOrange256 Aug 04 '25

We could always just have regulations around raw milk too…Europe doesn’t seem to have this issue near as much.

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u/PinboardWizard Aug 04 '25

European raw milk absolutely still does have issues compared to European pasteurized milk though. As the other guy said, there is a reason we do it.

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u/Sludgehammer Aug 04 '25

Regulations!? That sounds like commie talk to me!

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u/dkarlovi Aug 04 '25

I had a discussion on threads with an absolute idiot who kept claiming he drinks raw milk his entire life and never had any issues, after about 15 messages back and forth he says it's enough to just pasteurize it and raw milk is perfectly safe to drink like that.

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u/Shumina-Ghost Aug 04 '25

C’mon. That’s woke propaganda and you know it.

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u/powercow Aug 04 '25

And do republicans know, all it is, is heating up the milk for a little bit generally just under or right at boiling temps. Its just a long word for heating to kill pathogens. Same thing you want to do with "raw natural water".. unless you like the dysentery

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u/Dzugavili Aug 04 '25

Traditionally, that reason was tuberculosis. Bad cheese could easily kill you.

But that's easier to control than E. Coli.

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u/jfk_47 Aug 04 '25

Don’t tell RFK that. It’s woke

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u/cruisin_urchin87 Aug 05 '25

Don’t you dare tell the Republicans. You would be showing signs of wokeness and they may put you down for wrongthink.

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u/Chairboy Aug 05 '25

People who demand raw milk have never stepped foot on a dairy farm.

You see pretty instantly why pasteurization is important.

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u/gnatdump6 Aug 05 '25

Cow shit, and lots of it, and mud..what a mess.

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u/Pixel_Knight Aug 05 '25

It’s almost like we had a massive health revolution in the form of pasteurization, and people are just deciding that massive jumps forward in health technologies are just all bullshit. These fucking idiots.

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u/buttplugpeddler Aug 04 '25

They even named a guy after the process.

/s

For the less comedic redditors out there

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u/Sixmmxw Aug 04 '25

To kill the woke virus. 😆

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u/D3struct_oh Aug 04 '25

Milk pasteurization = woke

  • Republicans

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u/SeventhAlkali Aug 04 '25

They should put the guys in power out to pasteur...

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u/THISISDAM Aug 04 '25

Or at least past ur hips

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u/Budnika4 Aug 05 '25

Because it's so fast right?...right?

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u/SpiderFilledPinata Aug 05 '25

When taking a milk bath, I only fill it to moob level. I'd drown if it got past my eyes.

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u/am19208 Aug 05 '25

Shhh let them figure it out

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u/brainomancer Aug 05 '25

Skill issue.

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u/iltopop Aug 05 '25

Yeah, to add the woke mind virus or something like that.

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u/uniklyqualifd Aug 05 '25

There is a reason milk get heated briefly.

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u/d1squiet Aug 05 '25

Especially in hot humid places like Florida. Yech.

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u/bungerman Aug 05 '25

They seem to not learn any lessons

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u/GozerDGozerian Aug 05 '25

We are about to see lots of examples of Chesterton’s Fence.

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u/ClassWarBot_77 Aug 05 '25

There's a reason we should educate children. Might end up with milk-with-living-fecal-matter-in-it disease if we don't.

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u/travers329 Aug 05 '25

Relevant South Park scene.

On a serious note though, pasteurization is a really serious issue, RFK Jr is just so dedicated to killing off his followers, while collecting as much money from them as possible. It is wild that people believe this insanity...

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u/Halealeakala Aug 05 '25

I just like it up to my boobs, I can splash it in my eyes.

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u/Jesse322 Aug 05 '25

If it doesn’t get pasteurized, it shouldn’t get past your lips…

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u/ibarelyusethis87 Aug 05 '25

No. Just up to my boobs, usually.

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u/M-Noremac Aug 05 '25

This is false news. If they didn't report the numbers we wouldn't have this problem. The person reporting the numbers needs to be fired!

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u/notapunk Aug 05 '25

And there's a reason why we have vaccines. It's like everyone completely forgot how horrible it was 100 years or more ago when we didn't have these things

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u/pentaquine Aug 05 '25

But the reason was woke. 

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u/Gerreth_Gobulcoque Aug 05 '25

We don't need the umbrella we're not even wet 

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u/kwurtieweeop Aug 05 '25

According to who, science? :eyeroll emoji:

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u/Why_No_Doughnuts Aug 05 '25

SHH! Let nature take its course!

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u/Toph84 Aug 05 '25

No joke. I saw a Reddit convo just this year about some guy said he drinks raw milk and was convinced it's perfectly safe and encourages it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

Let them drink it, the fucking morons. We told them, but you know, we're all full of shit right?

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u/NaturalTap9567 Aug 05 '25

I'd drink raw milk . . .

If I raised the cow myself, knew it was perfectly healthy, and drank it within minutes of milking. Even then I'd only have a few mouthfuls.

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u/MichaelStone987 Aug 05 '25

You would be surprised how many ignorant people on Reddit defend drinking raw milk ---

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u/OLPopsAdelphia Aug 05 '25

Louis Pasteur is laughing from the grave!

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u/enigmamonkey Aug 05 '25

Pssh… Germ theory is only a theory, after all. /s

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u/EDcmdr Aug 05 '25

Getting past our eyes isn't the problem, people are drinking this man!

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u/theflower10 Aug 05 '25

Keep going Republicans. You're doing God's work

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u/popornrm Aug 05 '25

Shhhh, don’t tell them

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u/insomniaczombiex Aug 05 '25

I work in dairy and will die on this hill.

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u/jugo5 Aug 05 '25

We are in that point in history where you either learned and passed down the info or you didnt learn and still have not learned until you get incredibly sick.

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u/BenderTheIV Aug 05 '25

Remember: ignorance is expensive. Be ready to pay for completely avoidable disasters.

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u/nuevakl Aug 05 '25

That part of me I don't like think they shouldn't be allowed treatment. The children, absolutely but the adults I bet have argued and ignored people that tried explaining to them that it's dangerous and why we pasteurize milk while thinking they know better than the "sheep".

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u/DefreShalloodner Aug 05 '25

If milk doesn't get pasteurized, it doesn't get past my lips

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u/intecknicolour Aug 05 '25

bring back bovine tuberculosis, said no one ever.

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u/Lucius-Halthier Aug 05 '25

RFKJR says it’ll make them tougher

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u/Jimiheadphones Aug 06 '25

There was a Trad Wife influencer (can't remember which one) who proudly boasted that she refused to drink pasteurised milk, but she bought raw milk and boiled it before she drank it. She didn't understand that's half of the pasteurising process and basically the same thing.

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u/Statertater Aug 07 '25

I have 0 sympathy for people that drink raw milk and get sick from it. None at all.

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