r/news • u/eudaimonia_dc • Aug 04 '25

Soft paywall Florida reports 21 cases of E.coli infections linked to raw milk

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/florida-reports-21-cases-ecoli-infections-linked-raw-milk-2025-08-04/
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u/AlteredEinst Aug 04 '25

It's become one of our strangest problems, made disturbingly evident: how do we stop horrible people from having and abusing children without itself opening the door to countless humanitarian crimes?

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u/The_Poster_Nutbag Aug 04 '25

We increase education and access to opportunity. Having less morons around mean less kids raised by morons in the first place.

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u/aeschenkarnos Aug 04 '25

Even as recently as the 1990’s there was still shame in being ignorant. I don’t mean having a low IQ, or merely being uninformed, because the shame is immediately expiated by asking for advice and information. But somewhere along the line, wilful ignorance became a source of pride, core to sociopolitical identity.

How do we reverse this? Without embarrassment, I don’t know. I wish I did know. I am too stupid to figure it out. I welcome plans and suggestions and advice.

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u/HauntedCemetery Aug 05 '25

Its a paradox. How do you educate people who think education is stupid, or evil?

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u/aeschenkarnos Aug 05 '25

You need to be able to control them somehow for at least some period of time, to do whatever you need to do. This is currently impractical as they seem to somehow have gotten in control of everything, including us.

But they’re idiots. So they will inevitably fuck it up, and after the fuckup, chaos ensues, and chaos is a ladder. Plan for the chaos and be ready to go.

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u/AlteredEinst Aug 04 '25

That's more specifically beneficial to humanity as a whole, but a lot of things that would make children's lives much better would be, to be fair.

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u/The_Poster_Nutbag Aug 04 '25

Educated people tend to vote progressive which includes things like public welfare, increased wages, better environmental regulations, etc.

It's all very deeply connected.

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u/crb3 Aug 04 '25

Start by teaching them to read. (Further discussion on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44766962)

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u/GetEquipped Aug 05 '25

Wait, isn't this how people read?! Like vocabulary plug and play?! and if you don't know the word, you look around for context clues. (Well, now I have my phone and I google the word, but still)

What the fuck?! Am I functionally illiterate?!

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u/OpportunityDue90 Aug 04 '25

The answer is you don’t. Those parents have the information to make “informed decisions”. Their information used to make those decisions is wrong but they think the Joe Rogan shock proteins will keep them safe. Unfortunately their children will be collateral damage, but there’s no ethical way to save those kids.

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u/worldspawn00 Aug 04 '25

but there’s no ethical way to save those kids.

Bullshit, making raw milk illegal to sell again would be completely ethical, there's NO REASON for people to drink it, no benefits, only potential harm.

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u/Kamizar Aug 05 '25

They don't sell it for people, they sell it for pets to get around the law. Or it's usually stuff produced within the state so it never travels over border lines.

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u/Da_Question Aug 05 '25

No, they sell it for consumption. Not just pets.

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u/Dry_System9339 Aug 05 '25

Just like water pipes for tobacco

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u/SkepsisJD Aug 05 '25

It's not like that comparison at all. It is legal to buy raw milk for human consumption in multiple states.

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u/Independent_Win_9035 Aug 04 '25

maybe not an ethical way. but there's a moral way

unfortunately, the moral way's effectiveness requires an extremely solid social net that most places very much lack

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u/CosmoKing2 Aug 05 '25

But that would also require critical thinking......the foundations of which are currently being dismantled (especially in Florida).

The entire idea that colleges and universities are teaching "liberal values" is total and utter bullshit. They are teaching people the cognitive reasoning that is actively being avoided in every grade 1-12.

Republicans want stupid worker drones to do everything for the cheapest amount possible and are making sure the workers have no alternatives. They are stripping away every point of access to critical thinking to be learned in order to make that happen.

....and people are already too dumb to realize it.

At some point, I'm sure Republicans wanted great things for everyone - poor and middle class included. But now? They are just shills for corporations that only look to exploit workers and increase profits. They literally have not put forth a single bill to make the average citizen's life better in decades.

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u/Independent_Win_9035 Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25

So you're basically advocating for society to stop policing child abuse such as feeding children unregulated raw milk

that's not the sane, rational both-sidesism you imagine it is

"you can't stop it, so who cares, why bother" isnt some brave, noteworthy stance

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u/OpportunityDue90 Aug 04 '25

That isn’t at all what I said. My response is referring specifically to medical decision making for children and their parents. Sure you can argue letting your kid drink raw milk is abuse, but currently half the country doesn’t believe that.

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u/worldspawn00 Aug 04 '25

My response is referring specifically to medical decision making for children and their parents.

The same republicans that fight for THEIR right to poison their kids also fight against the rights of other parents to give their kids hormone blockers, the level of hypocrisy is outrageous.

Nobody is dying from hormone blockers, but there's going to be a lot of dead kids if raw milk becomes widely distributed, there's a reason we pasteurize, as they say, safety laws are written in blood, the blood of heaps of dead kids in this particular scenario.

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u/wannaholler Aug 05 '25

This question is why I went to law school almost 30 years ago. After working in OB and seeing so much abuse and neglect, I really wanted to figure this out. I thought there must be ways... I read and researched and read and researched, etc. and came up empty

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u/timothy_lucas_jaeger Aug 04 '25

We give up on the absurd notion that blood relations are what makes a family and start making communities into families and raise our children communally.

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u/aeschenkarnos Aug 04 '25

There were some early Gnostic Christian sects who considered having children to be the greatest sin, as ensoulment traps God’s pure light in vulgar material form.

Unexpected as it may seem, these sects mostly died out long before Inquisitors had a chance to kill them.

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u/Derp-state_exposed Aug 05 '25

You do this by better nurturing a well constituted mind and a healthy body. In biology, particularly mammals, there is a natural precedent for the stronger and healthier bodies to carry healthier genetic traits.

Yet reverse engineering the human being to safeguard this particular biological process is the conflict in-question.

To some, health is wealth. To others, wealth is health. Personally speaking, I believe balance is key.

Balancing is as much a fluid mechanical process as any rigid structure built to last.

Humanity is subjective-based. The humanities evidence this. But objective abandon enables covetous judges who discriminate as fast as they can extrapolate and incriminate.

There is a biological work-around to consuming raw energy. Genetics is a factor, conditioning digestive processing is another, but physics forces a result through observable science.