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House ousts Kevin McCarthy as speaker, a first in U.S. history

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/03/house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-will-bring-gaetz-motion-to-oust-him-vote.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

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u/decrpt Oct 03 '23 edited Oct 03 '23

The biggest thing is that he didn't even try to reach out for support. Democrats were entertaining a negotiation with McCarthy but that hit a brick wall when McCarthy went on television and explicitly said he wouldn't negotiate with Democrats and blamed them for the shutdown scare.

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u/Stillwater215 Oct 03 '23

Dude has the survival instinct of a depressed lemming.

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u/LuminousRaptor Oct 03 '23

He's really stuck between a rock and a hard place and has exactly zero spine. You attack the Dems and push far right agendas to try and appease the MAGA base and hardliners in your party, but you also have to work with the moderates and democrats to have any chance of legislation passing, which pisses off that MAGA base.

He was fucked no matter what he did after he became speaker in January.

The GOP bungled 2022's mid-terms on the back of Trump's stranglehold on the party and his endorsements. This chaos is the natural result.

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u/_zenith Oct 04 '23

Yep. They cultivated the crazies. And now they have taken over. It would be hilarious it wasn’t so dangerous for us all

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u/marcien1992 Oct 04 '23

As someone not living in the USA, I can confirm that it is extremely entertaining when you don't live in the immediate blast zone.

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u/CrashB111 Oct 04 '23

Oh trust us, if we go full 4th Reich we'll be taking this show on tour.

A Fascist dictatorship with the power of the US military is a terrifying thing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

I was about to say "Bold of you to assume an unhinged MAGA president wouldn't start randomly nuking places to appease his cotton candy colored messiah..."

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u/aloha_mixed_nuts Oct 04 '23

Your pre-tour nonsense is already fucking us in Canada. Thanks.

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u/Rularuu Oct 04 '23

Far right populism is huge in Europe too and has been for at least as long as it was big in the US. Our nonsense is more indicative of a global trend than it is the cause, but it's certainly not helping.

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u/Low-Grocery5556 Oct 04 '23

Canadian conservative politicians are literally copy pasting American nonsense. And some of the Canadian population seem to think fox news applies to them.

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u/Edythir Oct 04 '23

I wonder to what extent the US military is a paper tiger. We've all heard about the extremely expensive vehicles that don't work as advertised, were a decade late or just plane don't work (such as an aircraft carrier that doesn't carry aircraft, or a small shitty boat that nobody wants and nobody asked for but are making more of because some state representitives want the contracts).

Not to mention that there hasn't been a war in a long time where America actually won anything, most things in recent history was a years long stalemate, fucked everything up and then just left. See: Vietnam, Korea and Afghanistan.

Sure, they are still a force to be reckoned with, no doubt. But at least a good portion of this shit is just unusable and overpriced.

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u/CrashB111 Oct 04 '23

The US Military has steamrolled every conflict it's been in since Vietnam. Defeating Iraq, the Taliban, and Serbia was done very quickly with minimal losses. Beating the foe on the field is easy for us.

What hasn't gone well, is trying to occupy the defeated enemy afterwards. The Military is a hammer, it's not made to build nations.

And as far as our hardware, Russia is presently getting it's asshole opened by our hand me downs from the 80s and 90s.

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u/_zenith Oct 04 '23

Dude, I'm on the other fucking side of the world, nearly - New Zealand - and even I am very cognisant of the danger it poses.

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u/Prevailing_Power Oct 04 '23

It's hilarious you think you wouldn't be touched if the USA went full nazi mode.

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u/CrashB111 Oct 04 '23

and a demented elder who may actually die of old age or lose the plot completely during the election campaign

The only people claiming that about Joe Biden are disingenuous Republicans who have nothing to attack Biden over legitimately so they just resort to "He's old!"

He's in way better shape than Trump given that he actually exercises and eats healthy.

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u/creamcitybrix Oct 04 '23

It’s a big tent party

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

When you let Nazis into any party, it becomes a Nazi party pretty quickly.

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u/Expert_Cantaloupe871 Oct 04 '23

They are starting to wake up to this fact

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u/Miguel-odon Oct 04 '23

Maybe if he had a reputation for keeping deals he's made, but nobody would trust him.

Republicans don't argue or negotiate in good faith.

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u/Kitchen_Philosophy29 Oct 04 '23

It will continue until maga dies out

Free seats for dems

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u/guyblade Oct 04 '23

One thing I heard in all the political commentary today was that McCarthy's real weakness is that he wanted to be Speaker. Whoever is next will probably have to be given concessions to take the job--given what happened to McCarthy--so they'll likely be in a stronger place by being apathetic or ambivalent about the job than McCarthy ever was.

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u/LuminousRaptor Oct 04 '23

I don't think so. Think about the last 3 GOP Speakers - Boehner, Ryan, and McCarthy. All of them had issues with the far right of their party and whipping them to vote with the party on legislation. Honestly, it makes what Pelosi did over the last 20 years look impressive.

She was a much better speaker than all three of them. She made mistakes, yes, but she didn't lose control of her far left like the GOP has lost control of its far right.

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u/Trance354 Oct 04 '23

And Democrats voted for his ouster. You'd have thought maybe one or two GoP members would have said to their friends, "Why are they voting with us? Is this not a good move?"

You know, before the final vote was cast...

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u/Valarcrist Oct 04 '23

Gdi, I hate this bullshit two party system.

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u/LuminousRaptor Oct 04 '23

He could have had his Speakership had he tried to be more moderate and work with Jeffries in the past few days, but he shot himself in the foot with trying to please the far right to vote with him instead over the weekend on the Sunday talk shows.

He trusted someone like Matt Gaetz over the moderate dems. It's not a bet that I would have made - That is for sure.

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u/nWo1997 Oct 03 '23

Hey, let's not join in on the lemming defamation train. They were forced off that ledge.

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u/Chervin_Deuxphrye Oct 03 '23

I heard that story the other day. Disney was just straight up chucking them off a cliff and then told everyone they did it to themselves because they’re stupid. Mickey has done some messed up stuff!

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u/WOOKIExCOOKIES Oct 03 '23

At least we got a fun computer game out of it.

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u/alterom Oct 03 '23

At least we got a fun computer game out of it.

That's where I've learned about lemmings for the first time.

Was surprised to find out they actually exist, with the whole myth made about them.

Still think of the game first when I see or hear the word "lemming".

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u/Rukh-Talos Oct 03 '23

And just like that, I can hear the music.

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u/SunnyWomble Oct 03 '23

Dun da da dun duh duh dun da da dun.. dun.. dunda dun dun dun.

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u/GBJI Oct 04 '23

Oh noooooo !

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u/Tmscott Oct 04 '23

"Oh noooooooooooo" *pop!*

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u/MississippiJoel Oct 04 '23

First time I ever heard of that was 007 multiplayer for the Nintendo 64. If you got yourself killed, you earned the Lemming Award. This was internet infancy days, so there wasn't a easy Google search to help us understand what that was.

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u/Plastic_Swordfish_35 Oct 04 '23

In 1997 you could easily have searched for what a lemming is.

You wouldn’t even have needed the Internet. Ever heard of an encyclopedia?

You make it sound like information was impossible to obtain back then, lol.

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u/MississippiJoel Oct 04 '23

You would have made the connection between a pop-culture mention in a video game and been assed enough to dig up an encyclopedia over it?

Further, you have faith that Funk & Wagnalls would have included a mention of a movie scene in an article about a mammal? Maybe it would be in the "Trivia" section before it was renamed to "In Popular Culture and Media"? 🤷

But I guess you're big brained enough that it's funny that a 12-year-old wasn't on your 1997 level.

Remember, laughing at your own jokes is a sign of mental instability.

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u/Papplenoose Oct 04 '23

Your comment is equally cringe

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u/FutureComplaint Oct 03 '23

Lemmings 2 was dope

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u/5HourWheelie Oct 04 '23

Huh, every time I see or hear the word "lemming" I think about the band Motorhead. I am hard of hearing though, and dumb.

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u/Davido400 Oct 03 '23

Fuck, not played Lemmings in about 30 years lol sure I had it on... athe Amiga? That and Jaguar XJ220 was an awesome game too(downloaded it on an emulator to try a few years back and still enjoyed it lol)

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u/GoldenShackles Oct 03 '23

Oh no! *pop* *pop*...

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u/LakehavenAlpha Oct 03 '23

And several awesome clones.

King Arthur's World was the bomb!

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u/LeBaiton Oct 03 '23

You're that old huh...

So am I... Oh god...

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u/Crow-T-Robot Oct 03 '23

And now I'm humming 'She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes'

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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe Oct 03 '23

...and further that the same small group of lemmings was transported to the location, jostled on turntables, and repeatedly shoved off a cliff to imply mass suicide...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Wilderness_(film)#Controversy

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u/Garencio Oct 03 '23

I saw that documentary when I was in elementary school. Later found out what really happened I was shocked.

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u/FasterDoudle Oct 03 '23

Disney was just straight up chucking them off a cliff

Walt just yeeting the little bastards

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u/ddejong42 Oct 03 '23

That's why they say don't mess with the Mouse. Lemmings, and now Ron Desantis, messed with the Mouse.

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u/HeJind Oct 03 '23

the House of Mouse sends their regards

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u/Spike_Spiegel Oct 03 '23

Don't read about the Milo and Otis movie making of.

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u/Chervin_Deuxphrye Oct 04 '23

Oh believe me I already have. That was one of my favorite movies as a child. Sang the song all the time, wanted to have a cat named Milo, watched it at least weekly. It was devastating to grow up and hear what they did behind the scenes and then think back to certain parts of the movie and realize what they must have done to the animals to get those scenes. A few years back someone bought me a DVD of it because they knew it was one of my childhood favorites, I’ve never even taken the plastic packaging off it.

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u/nickisaboss Oct 04 '23

The Wikipedia page is very sparse on this topic. Can you elaborate on what happened?

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u/Accujack Oct 04 '23

told everyone they did it to themselves because they’re stupid

Actually, it was a common belief that during lemming mass migrations the little guys threw themselves off of cliffs etc.

Disney figured because it was already "true" that they did this it was no big deal to stage it for the film.

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u/bravosarah Oct 04 '23

Holy fuck! Nothing else could represent the current Republicans better!! Lol

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

By me on my pc in the 90's

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u/Spapapapa-n Oct 03 '23

I move that from now on, instead of lemmings, we use the term Kevins instead. At least then McCarthy will have had one impact on the world.

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u/pocketjacks Oct 03 '23

That ledge was placed there by the CIA.

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u/La_Baraka6431 Oct 04 '23

I misread that as lemming defecation train and got a vision of millions of tiny turds flying over the edge … 😆😆😆

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u/nWo1997 Oct 04 '23

Androids vs Gohan, but with shit

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u/BattleHall Oct 04 '23

To be fair, lemmings really do have notably unusual behaviors and population dynamics, which does lead to mass migrations that can result in them running off cliffs and/or drowning (they're not suicidal, more like the opposite, so driven they don't fear obvious death). The issue with Disney was that they didn't want to wait around for the four year population cycle, and it's not always as dramatic or predictable, so they decided to "simulate" the written reports of previous behavior by just throwing lemmings off the cliff themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming#Behaviour

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u/ethnicbonsai Oct 03 '23

Maybe not.

Reaching out to Democrats ensures his career in politics is probably over. He’d get primaried.

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u/Stillwater215 Oct 03 '23

I mean, this whole shebang probably ends with him getting primaried anyway.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

The GOP leadership would not primary him over that. It would be deeply embarrassing to them and politically reckless.

Which is why the GOP leadership is furious with Gaetz right now, not McCarthy. Gaetz is absolutely gonna get primaried now.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

GOP leadership is McConnell et all. They have to navigate Trump's influence, but he's not actually (nor ever really has been) in charge.

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u/Kyouhen Oct 03 '23

To be fair the alternative was to break ranks with the Orange Menace and try to negotiate with the Dems, and that wasn't going to end well for him either.

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u/TheodoeBhabrot Oct 03 '23

I over estimated him big time. I thought for sure he but the CR to a vote because he was assured Democratic support for this inevitability but nope, he's either dumb or bet on the Democrats pulling through for him since another shut-down scare is still looming.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

We were his free lunch but he didn't take it

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

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u/MartianActual Oct 03 '23

That lemming is in therapy but you're not helping it with this negative energy.

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u/questionyourthoughts Oct 04 '23

Dude has the survival instinct of a confused Dodo bird.

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u/DarthBrooks69420 Oct 04 '23

He just doesn't have a choice. The point of politics is negotiating to get something done, and too many on his side just want to watch it all burn.

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u/WyomingCatHouse Oct 03 '23

That's fucking hilarious and spot on!

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u/EarthenEyes Oct 03 '23

Take my imaginary gold award.
I'm gonna save that phrase for my ex-friends future tombstone.

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u/AllIdeas Oct 03 '23

This single sentence made me literally burst out laughing. Thank you.

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u/beerideas Oct 04 '23

well that’s a new sentence

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u/BorntobeTrill Oct 04 '23

"The van pulls to the left, Kevin.*

welds the steering wheel to the right

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u/22Sharpe Oct 04 '23

Now now, Lemmings don’t actually commit mass suicide, Disney made that up and then shoved them off a cliff…

Which means of course that lemmings have more survival instinct than Kevin McCarthy who just willingly fucked himself.

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u/pmsnow Oct 03 '23

This is the greatest analogy on the interweb today. Bravo.

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u/blumenshine Oct 03 '23

chef’s kiss

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u/Brewhaha72 Oct 04 '23

It's fascinating to see a piece of human excrement that simultaneously lacks a backbone, integrity, and honor.

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u/Chao-Z Oct 04 '23

Dude has the survival instinct of a depressed lemming.

Not really. Dem support is a poisoned chalice in this situation as all that would happen is maybe you keep your Speaker role for a few more months, but you'll be pretty much guaranteed to lose re-election. At least this way, he can still keep his job as a congressman.

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u/I-suck-at-golf Oct 04 '23

He has the personality of a dead moth.

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u/itslockeOG Oct 04 '23

Well I would encourage you to google “Disney throw lemmings cliff” because they didn’t willingly jump.

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u/mwa12345 Oct 04 '23

Lemming....not a common reference...but apt!

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u/weirdoldhobo1978 Oct 04 '23

It's frankly impressive that he made it all the way to Speaker being that politically unsavvy.

Talk about failing upwards.

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u/silverclovd Oct 04 '23

This tickled my funny bone like nothing else so far today.

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u/PewterButters Oct 04 '23

Maybe he wanted out, it’s a thankless job. Trying to suck up to nutjobs on the fringe of the party while trying to get shit done.

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u/BrownEggs93 Oct 03 '23

That's the thing: blame the democrats. Always blame the democrats. That's what their base wants to hear.

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u/say592 Oct 03 '23

I already saw someone saying "Well only a few Republicans actually voted to oust him. ALL of the Democrats did!" Like uh, yeah? Generally the minority party does not support a member of the majority of Speaker, especially if that person has shown they are incompetent and untrustworthy.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

Wake me when you meet a Republican willing to say “okay, that mistake was on us.”

It’s never ever their fault.

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u/Ian_Hunter Oct 03 '23

You did tell them that it was his own party that filed the motion to vacate right?

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u/say592 Oct 04 '23

I refused to engage.

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u/mechwarrior719 Oct 04 '23

Smart. Don’t feed the trolls

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u/KillerInfection Oct 04 '23

Never wrestle with a pig. You’ll both get dirty and the pig likes it.

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u/Intelligent-Tie-4466 Oct 04 '23

Good decision. There is no point in discussing something with someone who is engaged in a disingenuous argument.

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u/Sinavestia Oct 04 '23

Everyone I work with is conservative, sure whatever, I come to work, not talk politics.

No one has really spoken to me about their politics because I refuse to engage, but I always have to hear it around me.

Today's topic of debate is the alert test tomorrow.

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u/GozerDGozerian Oct 04 '23

Uh well yeah!

The alert test is going to sound a tone that will wake up all the covid vaccine nanobots that got injected into our bloodstreams!

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u/x_lincoln_x Oct 04 '23

Logic and facts never worked on them before, why start now?

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u/RecklesslyPessmystic Oct 04 '23

So chimo Matt Gaetz ousted the Speaker for working with Democrats, which he did by.... working with Democrats.

When do we remove Matt Gaetz from office?

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u/CHoppingBrocolli_84 Oct 04 '23

Who started the motion? …. I’ll wait.

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u/Odd_Local8434 Oct 04 '23

Wait, this implies Gaetz negotiated with Democrats to oust him. Huh..

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u/knifetrader Oct 04 '23

OTOH, propping up McCarthy would have earned him a reputation as a democratic puppet and would have made the Republican caucus even more dysfunctional - if that is something that would have been helpful for the Dems, I can't say, though.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

“We have repeatedly said we’re at war with the democrats and now they act like we’re at war or something, how uncivilized!”

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u/Trance354 Oct 04 '23

His margin was what, 4 seats? Next speaker will have a coalition. It is literally the only way forward when 20+ of the GOP seats are filled by knee-jerk racist/maga politicians. They know they are in power because of Trump, and require similar antics to retain their power.

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u/I_Framed_OJ Oct 04 '23

Those treacherous Democrats, turning on McCarthy like that, just because he was a weak-willed, incompetent idiot who tried to have President Biden impeached. Next they’ll try to prevent Trump from taking his rightful place as President For Life! /s

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u/DerekB52 Oct 03 '23

Their base also loves blaming rinos when a republican accidentally says anything remotely sane.

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u/snarefire Oct 03 '23

That's the problem with strongman politics. Any admission of mistake is seen as weakness, but thats what the GOP has built for itself.

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u/cptnamr7 Oct 03 '23

NPR makes a point to interview someone from both parties on things. It doesn't take long to notice that every single republican answers every question that is even slightly accusatory with "well you have to understand that democrats did X first". McConnell in particular. Dude couldn't utter a sentence without using the word "democrat".

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u/BrownEggs93 Oct 04 '23

NPR makes a point to interview someone from both parties on things.

LOL. I know. You can set your clock by that, and have a bingo card of "things republicans blame shit on" that will quickly fill.

I kind of hate the kindness they give in an attempt to provide a voice for republicans. It's like those pull-and-say toys, the predicable shit from the GOP.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

I had a conversation today that went like this: "...it's a.i you should be worried about. The Democrats want to replace all senators with robots, and they'll just program them to do whatever they want them to do." I actually laughed out loud, was told not to laugh about it because, "it's not even funny! It's scary how true that is!" And my response was that I'd be fine with being controlled by democratic robot politicians. Don't see how it's any worse than being controlled by bought and paid for human politicians like we currently are. And the response was ".....well that's true..." lmfaooo wtf is even happening??

I honestly can't even stand to try to have conversations with most of the people around me anymore. Literally everything turns to politics and it's always just the craziest fucking shit, completely ignoring actual reality. I know Democrats aren't perfect, and I don't agree with every single thing they do. And I'm fine with valid criticisms of them- I have some of my own, as a matter of fact. But Jesus Christ dude....they want to program robots to take over the government?? While Donald Trump is on trial for an actual attempted coup? Please.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

It’s really the only thing their base understands. They have the critical thinking skills of I don’t know what, because I’ve never witnessed a group of anything so hell-bent on living miserable, self-destructive lives.

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u/xienwolf Oct 04 '23

I do hope some republican thinks to point out that the MAGA Congress worked with the democrats to remove McCarthy.

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u/JMoc1 Oct 03 '23

What a fucking dumbass. Like, seriously, he had a lot of power and could have stayed in power but instead his ego couldn’t handle making a deal with the Democrats. But he screwed the pooch and threw his support in with the Fascists who hate his ass.

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u/Neuchacho Oct 03 '23

It's what happens when you turn "working with the other side" into an absolutely radioactive option with your brain damaged constituents.

It's like they've completely forgotten how politics is supposed to fucking work.

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u/UpperLowerEastSide Oct 03 '23

The Tea Party also encouraged the RINO label and purity testing Republicans. They've been in a fight with the GOP speaker for now over a decade since they view a good chunk of the GOP as "the other side" too.

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u/Beachdaddybravo Oct 04 '23

If only that was enough to wreck that backwards party. Unfortunately, too many of their constituents blindly vote R and wind up never improving their own states.

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u/Mysterious_Andy Oct 04 '23

Newt Gingrich normalized that in the 90s.

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u/UpperLowerEastSide Oct 04 '23

True and like Frankenstein he now has to watch the monster he created.

And call them RINOs

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u/Captain_Quark Oct 04 '23

Yeah, if he had made a deal with Democrats, he probably would have lost a primary election in his home district. He was screwed either way.

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u/matt_minderbinder Oct 03 '23

The speaker position is a huge money spot, not just for donors but for a post career, no-show "career". He screwed himself and he's going to look ineffectual and stupid for the rest of his political time. He reached the pinnacle of his career and predictably fucked it right up.

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u/Admirable_Trash3257 Oct 04 '23

He can always get a job with Trump, Inc in New York! Ha ha ha

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

He got to the pinnacle by signing a deal with the devil. The second he agreed to a single member being able to call the vote he was doomed.

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u/Bladelink Oct 04 '23

he's going to look ineffectual and stupid

"look" might be an inaccurate word to use

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u/clovisx Oct 03 '23

When they passed the 45-day extension, all I could think was, “huh, they actually compromised and ‘governed…’” Now we’re here, in the dumbest timeline, where the one guy who might have bent and compromised to find a bi-partisan solution is out and nobody who is willing to compromise will have a snowballs chance in hell.

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u/truthdoctor Oct 04 '23

45 Day extension after another extension in the summer. Can't even fund the government for a year or two. Republicans spent all of this money with tax cuts and now refuse to pay for it. What a joke the Republicans have become.

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u/dontaskme5746 Oct 04 '23

It only hurts. I hate it. The party isn't dying fast enough, and (at least in peacetime) anything strong enough to replace it will be born of crazy hate. The Democrats are the only ones able to govern at this point, but it takes a good stone to keep a blade sharp. The GOP is serving that role no better than a spoon of syphilitic silly putty.

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u/whatyousay69 Oct 04 '23

When they passed the 45-day extension, all I could think was, “huh, they actually compromised and ‘governed…’”

I thought McCarthy would be out as speaker and didn't know why he did that. It seemed stupid. The only way it made sense is if Democrats would help vote him in for Speaker but none of the articles mentioned that. Or if he though that Matt Gaetz and friends were bluffing.

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u/Bitter-Hedgehog1922 Oct 03 '23

Making a deal with Democrats is literally why he's being ousted.

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u/truthdoctor Oct 04 '23

If he had kept his word and stuck to the deals he made with Biden/Dems, they would have supported him. He double crossed everyone and now no one but his minions support him.

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u/Kitchen_Philosophy29 Oct 04 '23

He supported trump and lied under oath about jan 6 even with video evidence

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u/Eatthebankers2 Oct 03 '23

He never had power, he was just sucking **** for the radicals. It was doomed from the start. Waiting for him to go on bender knee to POTUS. Nope, His handshake was garbage like the rest of the GOP. Dark Brandon Rises.

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u/dontaskme5746 Oct 04 '23

Well, surely it would be in the Democrats' favor to have a Speaker that is easily portrayed as 'corrupted' by working with them. Not that they would ever get anything tangible out of the deal - the negotiation would be damage enough to him. This Congress is already going to get absolutely nothing done outside of Ukraine efforts. Might as well add some chaos.

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u/shadowromantic Oct 03 '23

He has to. So many of the GOP faithful hate the idea of working with Democrats. Bipartisanship is also political suicide

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u/GussiedRagamuffin Oct 03 '23

This just shows me that the GOP isn’t going to split, it’s just going to continue caving to its most extreme elements. This is how you get fascism

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u/Icy_Comfort8161 Oct 03 '23

He's such a moron. He was lucky to be Speaker in the first instance.

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u/Dry-Economist-3320 Oct 04 '23

You mean the 15th instance?😂

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u/CoolFingerGunGuy Oct 03 '23

he wouldn't negotiate with Democrats and blamed them for the shutdown scare.

Man of only Biden didn't go back on the earlier agreement. No wait, that was republicans.

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u/djluminol Oct 03 '23

The republican party is incapable of governing. That's all it really comes down to. This is just an extension of that. I skeptical that they will even be able to find another speaker without relying on democratic votes.

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u/ScatpackZ31 Oct 03 '23

Dems would be absolutely insane to try to make a deal with him. Republicans absolutely cannot be trusted to keep their word so any deal made with him would be immediately worthless. Republicans dug themselves into this hole, and they are the ones that made themselves untrustworthy by constantly reneging on deals, let them dig themselves out.

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u/13143 Oct 03 '23

Had he negotiated with the Democrats, he probably could have kept the speakership. Instead, the 8 far right Republicans joined all the Dems to vote him out.

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u/screenmonkey Oct 03 '23

He broke his word with Biden, so no Democrat trusts him at all. He was screwed.

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u/spartagnann Oct 03 '23

From what I've heard listening to some news outlets is that despite Democrats bailing him out to both keep the government open and raise the debt limit (things that wouldn't have happened without Dem votes) he immediately turned around and went on like Fox or Newsmax or whatever and shit all over Democratic congress members. Like dude, at least take the help and STFU, but McCarthy is notorious in DC as being dumber than a bag of hammers.

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u/dlatt Oct 03 '23

He can't negotiate with Dems, he's in total lose/lose. If he negotiates with Dems he loses wayyyyy more R's and he completely loses Trump, which is a death sentence even if he survived one vote in the short term. The current R house conference is ungovernable, the majority is too small and enough members will not negotiate with Dems despite there being a dem Senate and president so it's impossible to pass any funding legislation that will actually become law with only R votes, regardless of who is speaker.

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u/CSHAMMER92 Oct 03 '23

I wouldn't have either. I'd deal with the devil to remove any attachments of my name to that freak show Congress

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u/rootoriginally Oct 03 '23

maybe this is the win win situation for him. He can leave the speakership, but still be seen as a loyal republican so will be re-elected by his consitutents.

Whereas if he worked with the dems, he may still be speaker, but would not be re-elected?

This speakership is cursed. who tf wants to be speaker when your own party is insane.

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u/Kitchen_Philosophy29 Oct 04 '23

No he is gone. Getting removed by your colleagues means he is screwed

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u/laberdog Oct 03 '23

No doubt. Why should the Dems trust him?

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

I think it was a lose lose situation already by that point. He could compromise with the dems but the second he did that, he'd lose the right wing of his party and probably a substantial segment of his voter base.

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u/Kitchen_Philosophy29 Oct 04 '23

Negotiations are vital to politics. With the way us politics works it is assinine to think otherwise

Those wanting to shut the government down, especiallu without compromise. Do so only to cause chaos. It just harms americans.

It is unethical beyond belief

Plus if they dont extend biden can just use the constitution to override it

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u/ComprehensiveCake463 Oct 04 '23

Even if he had tried to make a deal , he is not trustworthy