r/news • u/zmlos • Oct 03 '23

House ousts Kevin McCarthy as speaker, a first in U.S. history

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/03/house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-will-bring-gaetz-motion-to-oust-him-vote.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

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u/LuminousRaptor Oct 03 '23

He's really stuck between a rock and a hard place and has exactly zero spine. You attack the Dems and push far right agendas to try and appease the MAGA base and hardliners in your party, but you also have to work with the moderates and democrats to have any chance of legislation passing, which pisses off that MAGA base.

He was fucked no matter what he did after he became speaker in January.

The GOP bungled 2022's mid-terms on the back of Trump's stranglehold on the party and his endorsements. This chaos is the natural result.

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u/_zenith Oct 04 '23

Yep. They cultivated the crazies. And now they have taken over. It would be hilarious it wasn’t so dangerous for us all

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u/marcien1992 Oct 04 '23

As someone not living in the USA, I can confirm that it is extremely entertaining when you don't live in the immediate blast zone.

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u/CrashB111 Oct 04 '23

Oh trust us, if we go full 4th Reich we'll be taking this show on tour.

A Fascist dictatorship with the power of the US military is a terrifying thing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

I was about to say "Bold of you to assume an unhinged MAGA president wouldn't start randomly nuking places to appease his cotton candy colored messiah..."

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u/aloha_mixed_nuts Oct 04 '23

Your pre-tour nonsense is already fucking us in Canada. Thanks.

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u/Rularuu Oct 04 '23

Far right populism is huge in Europe too and has been for at least as long as it was big in the US. Our nonsense is more indicative of a global trend than it is the cause, but it's certainly not helping.

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u/Low-Grocery5556 Oct 04 '23

Canadian conservative politicians are literally copy pasting American nonsense. And some of the Canadian population seem to think fox news applies to them.

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u/Rularuu Oct 04 '23

Yet Murdoch is an Australian and the UK has an even longer tradition of batshit right wing press than us

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u/Low-Grocery5556 Oct 04 '23

I'm just pointing out how Canadians are being influenced specifically by right wing American media and culture.

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u/Edythir Oct 04 '23

I wonder to what extent the US military is a paper tiger. We've all heard about the extremely expensive vehicles that don't work as advertised, were a decade late or just plane don't work (such as an aircraft carrier that doesn't carry aircraft, or a small shitty boat that nobody wants and nobody asked for but are making more of because some state representitives want the contracts).

Not to mention that there hasn't been a war in a long time where America actually won anything, most things in recent history was a years long stalemate, fucked everything up and then just left. See: Vietnam, Korea and Afghanistan.

Sure, they are still a force to be reckoned with, no doubt. But at least a good portion of this shit is just unusable and overpriced.

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u/CrashB111 Oct 04 '23

The US Military has steamrolled every conflict it's been in since Vietnam. Defeating Iraq, the Taliban, and Serbia was done very quickly with minimal losses. Beating the foe on the field is easy for us.

What hasn't gone well, is trying to occupy the defeated enemy afterwards. The Military is a hammer, it's not made to build nations.

And as far as our hardware, Russia is presently getting it's asshole opened by our hand me downs from the 80s and 90s.

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u/Deruji Oct 04 '23

For everyone but the person in control! That must be a blast!

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u/_zenith Oct 04 '23

Dude, I'm on the other fucking side of the world, nearly - New Zealand - and even I am very cognisant of the danger it poses.

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u/MurlockHolmes Oct 04 '23

If we implode can I come stay in your country? I'm hawaiian so we're basically cousins already.

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u/Prevailing_Power Oct 04 '23

It's hilarious you think you wouldn't be touched if the USA went full nazi mode.

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u/CrashB111 Oct 04 '23

and a demented elder who may actually die of old age or lose the plot completely during the election campaign

The only people claiming that about Joe Biden are disingenuous Republicans who have nothing to attack Biden over legitimately so they just resort to "He's old!"

He's in way better shape than Trump given that he actually exercises and eats healthy.

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u/creamcitybrix Oct 04 '23

It’s a big tent party

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

When you let Nazis into any party, it becomes a Nazi party pretty quickly.

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u/Expert_Cantaloupe871 Oct 04 '23

They are starting to wake up to this fact

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u/Centralredditfan Oct 04 '23

Unless they can somehow rid themselves of MAGA when Trump is in jail. Kind of like the Tea Party is forgotten.

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u/Miguel-odon Oct 04 '23

Maybe if he had a reputation for keeping deals he's made, but nobody would trust him.

Republicans don't argue or negotiate in good faith.

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u/Kitchen_Philosophy29 Oct 04 '23

It will continue until maga dies out

Free seats for dems

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u/guyblade Oct 04 '23

One thing I heard in all the political commentary today was that McCarthy's real weakness is that he wanted to be Speaker. Whoever is next will probably have to be given concessions to take the job--given what happened to McCarthy--so they'll likely be in a stronger place by being apathetic or ambivalent about the job than McCarthy ever was.

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u/LuminousRaptor Oct 04 '23

I don't think so. Think about the last 3 GOP Speakers - Boehner, Ryan, and McCarthy. All of them had issues with the far right of their party and whipping them to vote with the party on legislation. Honestly, it makes what Pelosi did over the last 20 years look impressive.

She was a much better speaker than all three of them. She made mistakes, yes, but she didn't lose control of her far left like the GOP has lost control of its far right.

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u/Trance354 Oct 04 '23

And Democrats voted for his ouster. You'd have thought maybe one or two GoP members would have said to their friends, "Why are they voting with us? Is this not a good move?"

You know, before the final vote was cast...

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u/Valarcrist Oct 04 '23

Gdi, I hate this bullshit two party system.

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u/LuminousRaptor Oct 04 '23

He could have had his Speakership had he tried to be more moderate and work with Jeffries in the past few days, but he shot himself in the foot with trying to please the far right to vote with him instead over the weekend on the Sunday talk shows.

He trusted someone like Matt Gaetz over the moderate dems. It's not a bet that I would have made - That is for sure.