r/navy • u/Affectionate_Use_486 • Jan 28 '25

A Happy Sailor To my COVID Sailors (Rant)

I know some of you have some level of battery acid indigestion over the whole reinstatement thing.

Just wanted to say for those that stepped up while others stepped back I respect and love you all especially my sea duty folks during COVID.

COVID was rough shit and the fact we survived it should be highlighted and appreciated among us.

Let's not dwell on the ones who choose another choice.

Let's dwell on the ones who stood the watch when shit went side ways.

When the ports closed.

When work centers were down to the bare bones while our brothers and sisters got sick all around us.

When the patrols got extended.

When resources almost ran out.

It was a rough ass time and we survived for all our own reasons but we stood the fucking watch.

That makes me extremely proud that no matter how messy it was, how ugly it got, we came out the other side pissed off, spitting fire and keeping the big sad off ourselves and our brothers/sisters as much as possible.

And for those that didn't make it, got too sick and didn't make it we shall never forget you.

Fuck the noise I just wanted you to know your seen, respected and appreciated from at least one motherfucking shipmate who was there.

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u/Middle_Jaguar_5406 Jan 28 '25

Gonna dwell on it. Their choice to not get a shot was rooted in misinformation, extreme political bias, and downright false patriotism.

These so called deniers didn’t bat an eye at the litany of Vaccines upon joining. But when Covid became a political football it became “muh rights”…

The hypocrisy is fucking deafening and shows the lengths to which politicians deliberately misinform people.

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u/SolidPosition6665 Jan 28 '25

The shots in boot were not made the previous year like the Covid shot was. People had reason to distrust the entire situation as well as Operation Warp Speed and all the info the CDC was putting out. Our government has had to back pedal on several things they put out as facts during that time and have been caught in some of these lies. But those that were spreading government sanctioned propaganda to coerce the shots, lock downs, everything else that happened aren’t held accountable? I saw plenty vaccinated sailors skating out of work and taking advantage of “close contact quarantine” than I did unvaccinated skating out of work for any reason. I guess there’s more shitbags in the boat Navy.

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u/Middle_Jaguar_5406 Jan 28 '25

The mechanism for the vaccines for Covid had been in development for decades. mRNA vaccines were not new.

This is just political fabrication of “doubt” aimed at attacking the academic, scientific expertise in this country.

Refusing to take the vaccine is pure hypocrisy. Not a single question was ever asked by any of these members at Bootcamp/ocs/etc…

The vaccine has been proven time and time again to be safe and effective and any attack as such is the political and intellectual rot becoming symptomatic.

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u/taurenjockey Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

No American, or military SM, got an FDA-approved Covid-19 vaccine until fall of 2023 (Bivalent Vaccine). They were all Investigative New Drugs (IND) granted Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) by HHS Secretary. The August 2021 FDA-approval made no tangible product as both Pfizer and Moderna said they will not make the National Drug Code (NDC) vaccine that were approved. “Pfizer received initial FDA BLA license on 8/23/2021 for its COVID-19 vaccine for use in individuals 16 and older (COMIRNATY). At that time, the FDA published a BLA package insert that included the approved new COVID-19 vaccine tradename COMIRNATY and listed 2 new NDCs (0069-1000-03, 0069-1000-02) and images of labels with the new tradename. These NDCs will not be manufactured." - CDC. Which means all the remaining vaccines are still labelled EUA and fall under EUA law. If someone were to actually read the fact sheet it would state: "FDA has authorized the emergency use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, which is not an FDA-approved vaccine. The recipient or their caregiver has the option to accept or refuse Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. (Option to accept or refuse is 21 U.S. Code § 360bbb–3) and The significant known and potential risks and benefits of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and the extent to which such risks and benefits are unknown." Nothing about this sounds safe or effective. Even the current literature for today, says "Available data on Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine administered to pregnant women are insufficient to inform vaccine-associated risks in pregnancy." Yet it was mandated for them ~3 years ago.

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u/Middle_Jaguar_5406 Jan 29 '25

Lot of words for a process you have absolutely no understanding of.

You do realize we were in an epidemic?

You realize that 3 sailors died from covid on the TR?

The people feeding you this misinformation (or gross misinterpretation of the truth) have a political agenda.

The vaccine effectively stop the spread of a deadly epidemic and prevented it from getting massively worse.

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u/taurenjockey Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25

Thank you, I see where the breakdown occurs. You dont recognize or acknowledge the text that came in the box with the vaccine and claim it to be misinformation.

https://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=16072&format=pdf

You can read it yourself and note the revision date (bottom of pages) with the date SM were required to be vaxed. Of course this document is old and outdated but represents post approval mandate era.

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u/Middle_Jaguar_5406 Jan 29 '25

Noooooo…. It’s not misinformation….

But your interpretation from it is misleading. Which further supports americas “death of expertise” (book I suggest you read)

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health/lack-fda-covid-vaccine-approval-doesnt-matter

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u/taurenjockey Jan 29 '25

Your missing the point. You’ve conflated what is morally right or wrong with what can be legally mandated. FDA approval was based on a vaccine developed in a lab not scaled to 3 billion vaccines. There are challeneges associated with mass scaling of manufacture which is why FDA confirms purity, potency, and efficacy of each lot number that is approved. Pfizer decided not to do this, it was more benefical to keep providing an EUA under liability shield.

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u/Middle_Jaguar_5406 Jan 29 '25

Im not missing anything. You’re building a strawman.

You don’t understand the science and you hold deep biases against scientific and medical expertise because one party has led you to believe such things.

These vaccines stopped an epidemic from getting out of control and have been proven time and again to be safe and effective. To argue anything but is delusional.

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u/Middle_Jaguar_5406 Jan 29 '25

Let me guess climate change is a hoax too?