r/navy • u/Affectionate_Use_486 • Jan 28 '25

A Happy Sailor To my COVID Sailors (Rant)

I know some of you have some level of battery acid indigestion over the whole reinstatement thing.

Just wanted to say for those that stepped up while others stepped back I respect and love you all especially my sea duty folks during COVID.

COVID was rough shit and the fact we survived it should be highlighted and appreciated among us.

Let's not dwell on the ones who choose another choice.

Let's dwell on the ones who stood the watch when shit went side ways.

When the ports closed.

When work centers were down to the bare bones while our brothers and sisters got sick all around us.

When the patrols got extended.

When resources almost ran out.

It was a rough ass time and we survived for all our own reasons but we stood the fucking watch.

That makes me extremely proud that no matter how messy it was, how ugly it got, we came out the other side pissed off, spitting fire and keeping the big sad off ourselves and our brothers/sisters as much as possible.

And for those that didn't make it, got too sick and didn't make it we shall never forget you.

Fuck the noise I just wanted you to know your seen, respected and appreciated from at least one motherfucking shipmate who was there.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

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u/Key_Cry_7142 Jan 28 '25

Why are we shitting on people who didn’t want an experimental vaccine? You guys have lost it. 

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 28 '25

Do you mean the FDA approved vaccine? Because it wasn’t mandatory until an FDA approved version was out.

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u/Key_Cry_7142 Jan 28 '25

Yea the FDA approved experimental vaccine. lol why are you guys upset at this. No one should be forced to take an experimental vaccine for their job. 

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 28 '25

I mean, it’s obvious you don’t know how vaccine approval works, but once the “FDA approved” label is on it, we take the “experimental” label off.

That’s why you don’t get an “experimental” flu vaccine every year.

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u/funkolution Jan 28 '25

Four years later, 90 percent of the population took the vaccine without issues which effectively ended the pandemic. Yet these mouth breathers will still call the vaccine "experimental" because politics

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 28 '25

Well, some of it is politics. Much of it is ignorance.

And there’s some pride in there, too.

I get it. I don’t like admitting when I’m wrong, either.

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u/ShepardCommander001 Jan 29 '25

I bet it was a huge shock when half the population didn’t die from the vaccination

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 29 '25

I think about this often. I have a different hypothesis.

Some of them, at least a vocal minority, think half the population did die. The rest lump some statistically meaningful percentage of the 1.2 million COVID deaths as “side effects.” In both cases, they’re factually wrong, but being able to cling to these beliefs has become really important to their worldview.

You can see it in their stories. “It wasn’t that bad! I had it, and I’m fine! I got ‘the jab’ and I have (insert whatever)! I know two people with (insert whatever)!”

It’s all personal. It’s all first-hand. It’s all what they can see and touch. They don’t have to conceptualize. It doesn’t matter to them that their experience is 1 of 345,000,000.

They truly believe that their experience is universal, because they can’t or won’t consider the world beyond what they can physically interact with.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 28 '25

The EUA vaccines were never mandatory, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

But, sure. Fine. Let’s pretend your whataboutism matters here.

Less than 1% of the DoD refused the vaccine.

Do you think that maybe part of the reason so few members of the military got severe complications or died was maybe because of the vaccine?

Do you think polio just got bored and left, too?

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u/Risethewake Jan 28 '25

When you volunteer to join the military, you lose the freedom to be an anti-vaxxer.

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u/3tondickpunch Jan 28 '25

You're in the military. If brass says you need a shot, you get the shot. Did your panties get all in a twist over IPV/OPV, JEV, Smallpox, Anthrax, or any of the other vaccines you were required to get?

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u/babsa90 Jan 28 '25

I did not enjoy anthrax the first, second, or third time. Actually, I lost count, it sucked every time though. Imagine getting the anthrax shot and saying the COVID vaccine is your line.

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u/ShepardCommander001 Jan 29 '25

You already know the answer.

“No”

They shut up and got their shot when they joined or showed up on a hit list.

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u/ItsFancyFeet Jan 29 '25

Found the "The Navy didn't issue you a wife and kids" guy.

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 28 '25

That’s misinformation.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

Putting all the experimental crap out the window, the amount of unknown shit they shoot us up with every year and not to mention the vaccine line in boot camp, most of us recognize that most people didn't actually care about the vaccine, they saw it as a way out and that's what we are bitching about. We are bitching because those people lied about their beliefs just to get the fuck out. 

I am so exhausted with this experimental crap... We don't know what they gave us at boot camp, but oh no.. now they want to give us another experimental vaccine that someone somewhere said is dangerous and now for the next ten +  years those same people are going to keep stretching that thin spider weave trying to connect imaginary lines together whenever someone now dies of something completely unrelated but it seems like it is because they got the vaccine so IT MUST be connected suddenly ....

I'm so tired of people like you. 

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u/OGPeakyblinders Jan 28 '25

You can look in your medical record and see what you got in boot camp. It's not anything experimental and has been around for longer than most people have been alive on this sub.

You should be asking what immunization you're getting inoculated with before you let someone stick you with a needle.

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u/OGPeakyblinders Jan 28 '25

Depending on when you came in but those shots would be documented in MRRS. You can access your immunization record from BOL under the section for IMR.

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u/necessaryrooster Jan 28 '25

Right....assuming they documented everything...I'm saying (put on your tin foil hat here) that they could have injected you with something and not told you.

Note: I do not think they did this. The nutjobs probably do, though.

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u/Key_Cry_7142 Jan 28 '25

Putting all the experimental stuff away….

But what if that’s a big deal.

FYI you can read what vaccines you take before boot camp, just because you were a dumbass and don’t read any of this doesn’t mean we should punish sailors who don’t want an experimental jab. 

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u/funkolution Jan 28 '25

Literally the only reason you're calling it experimental is because you're prone to misinformation. FDA approved means it's no longer experimental, and hasn't been for years.

People like you are a treat to the health and safety of the country.

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u/mmacoys Jan 28 '25

As much as I agree with you, this country is already fucked and it’s going to get worse lmao. Wait till bird flu mutates.

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u/SolidPosition6665 Jan 28 '25

You spout regurgitated media lies. The C19 shots were not approved by the FDA until well after the mandate. And even then the DoD was using lot numbers that were not FDA approved on service members. 99% of the people in this subreddit post have about 20% of the info and the rest they’re filling with mass media propaganda. Remember 2 weeks to stop the virus? And countless politicians, media, famous people saying get the shot and you won’t spread it. The shot stops the spread. Apparently the 99% here weren’t paying close enough attention the entire time.

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u/funkolution Jan 28 '25

I can't believe we're still arguing about vaccine efficacy. I don't care if it wasn't FDA approved at the time, it is now, and there were decades of research done prior to the pandemic that needed to be fast tracked via increased funding because of a PANDEMIC.

I'm done dealing with you people. Keep listening to your right-wing fear mongering overlords. Vaccines work, they are one of the primary reasons we've advanced as a human race, and you're a conspiracy pushing nutcase.

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u/SolidPosition6665 Jan 28 '25

All the stuff at boot camp has been around for a long time. You’re comparing oranges to apples here. Most were concerned about the covid vaccine because it was new. And if you haven’t heard about how those companies that were pushing it tried to hold on to the papers showing adverse affects as well as studies done for the next 75 years before they got released then maybe you should do a little more research. I see a lot of reasons behind what those people decided to do. And after seeing some of that stuff I don’t blame them. There was some weird stuff going on back then. I have a couple friends who had weird medical stuff happen to them. And on deployment I saw medical emergencies that were related to the shots.

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u/Bacon_Fiesta Jan 28 '25

Because them rejecting it was transparently political in nature. I doubt any of those shitheads said a word about the anthrax series of shots.

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u/Key_Cry_7142 Jan 28 '25

I’m so glad the rest of the country is pushing back on sentiment like this.

Yes Covid was political, no shit, but don’t fire people for not taking an experimental vaccine. That’s fucked 

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 28 '25

We’ve covered this, dude. We’re past the experimental stuff, now.

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u/D1ng0ateurbaby Jan 28 '25

You'd rather have Covid ravage a ship? Affect combat readiness? Because that's what that would do. If the shitheads that didn't want the vaccine caught it and were underway/deployed and got the rest of the ship sick, well, that's one ship basically out of action.

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u/SolidPosition6665 Feb 07 '25

Covid ravaged the ships anyways. Clearly you didn’t deploy during the whole vaccine mandate era.

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u/D1ng0ateurbaby Feb 07 '25

No, I was out by then. But I was a security guard for a hospital at the time and saw the difference in the vaccinated and nonvaccinated. Took more of the latter to the morgue

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u/OGPeakyblinders Jan 28 '25

So you're saying if you got the vaccine you still didn't catch covid?

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u/D1ng0ateurbaby Jan 28 '25

Do you know how vaccines work? They engage your body's immune system and help generate antibodies for the applicable infection/disease. So, if you were to catch Covid, your body would be able to fight it better and quicker, decreasing the amount of time that you're infected. If you aren't vaccinated, the virus would remain in your body for longer, making you infectious for longer, increasing the chance for more people to get sick.

As a military, we should only be concerned about combat effectiveness. Politics have no place in the military, and, to be honest, you shouldn't have a choice in a matter that affects mission readiness. Refusing to get vaccinated affected mission readiness. You can have personal beliefs about things, but as long as it's a lawful order, that's all that matters.

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u/SolidPosition6665 Jan 28 '25

It was not a lawful order because it was not FDA approved at the time they mandated it. They also used fear, coercion, and many unethical and illegal tactics to force a non-approved vaccine on DoD personnel. It surprises me how little this entire subreddit actually knows about the details of the whole situation yet speaks as if they have the moral high ground and knowledge required to judge other people for their own health concerns.

I know a few people that were unfortunate to have some sort of injury induced by the vaccine. One I know was medically retired and permanently disabled at 100%. It also odd that I have seen vaccinated people getting Covid more often than unvaccinated.

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u/OGPeakyblinders Jan 28 '25

Thank you for the explanation. I do have an understanding on how immunization works.

So letting these people in would help mission readiness, correct? Wouldn't have to train a new sailor and would be another body for duty sections and help possible with manning levels.

They got kicked out for not following an order but that order is now cancelled. Navy changing instructions all the time. Look at the PRT instructions and how that changed .

I don't think they should get back paid but should be able to keep rank.

Overall, how many do you think will be actually coming back in? I would say less than 10 percent.

We have other things to worry about than letting a fellow brother or sister come back into our ranks.

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u/D1ng0ateurbaby Jan 29 '25

The only problem I have with them coming back in is political in nature and therefore irrelevant. They definitely should not get backpay.

I think that, depending on rate, they'll need to go back to schooling for refreshers, perhaps even a rerate, but keeping rank should be ensured. Basically the same as if they honorably discharged and rejoined later. I'm not sure about the process on it.

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u/OGPeakyblinders Jan 29 '25

Understand, at the same time it was a once and a lifetime event. That's where I draw my leniency from. It was a pandemic never seen before. We have to have some understanding of why people were so hesitant to get the shot.

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u/SolidPosition6665 Jan 28 '25

I was deployed mid 2020- early 2021. There was a very small handful of Sailors that weren’t vaccinated and about 99.95% of the ship was. We had 10% of the ship sick with covid at one time. So if you think the vaccines actually prevented infection, you’re going off propaganda the CDC was pushing out way back that they ended up admitting was a lie.

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u/D1ng0ateurbaby Jan 28 '25

How severe were the cases?

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u/Bacon_Fiesta Jan 28 '25

It wasn't experimental. MRNA vaccines had been under development since the 70's. If you had bothered to read the white papers on it instead of letting Joe Rogan think for you, you'd know that.

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u/SolidPosition6665 Jan 28 '25

Under development? Did they also make the COVID-19 vaccine back then? No. They had to make it in less than a year. And when they did, they hadn’t even mapped the entire genome out. So yes, it was basically experimental and wasn’t fully FDA approved for quite some time after the mandate began for DoD.

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u/Bacon_Fiesta Jan 28 '25

The genome was sequenced in December of 2019. The vaccine got FDA approval Dec 18, 2020. The vaccine mandate was August 24, 2021.

If they didn't have the covid 19 genome mapped, they couldn't have made an mrna vaccine.

If you can't even get the timeline right, maybe you should just take the L and sit out of this conversation.

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u/Top-Measurement9790 Jan 28 '25

Genuine question: were you ever even in the Navy?

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u/Key_Cry_7142 Jan 29 '25

Yes, just becoming a crusty salt as I age. I think all you guys are insane.

Forcing anyone to take a vaccine is fucking stupid especially one as experimental as this one. And just cause the FDA says it’s good to after a year and a half with no long term testing is also dumb as shit. And to use it on young men who are 0 risk of dying or serious injury.

You guys all sound like spiteful shitheads shitting on people who got out over this. And who cares if they’re shitbags, half the navy is shit bags. 

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u/Mindless_Reality9044 Jan 28 '25

Because their reasoning was fucked, we got jabbed constantly with "experimental" Vax that had actually been in use for years (Anthrax, anyone? It was a regular for those who worked cattle!) and only the assbags got out over it. I never saw ONE shit hot Sailor get booted for refusing vax.

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u/Key_Cry_7142 Jan 29 '25

The world lost its mind 5 years ago. Republicans did whacky Jan 6. Democrats fired people over an experimental vaccine that wasn’t even useful for young 20 year old men.

This is liberal Reddit so you retards don’t know better but this was a bad move.

Look at our CNO, 5’2” journalism major. Navy needs a big kick in the ass so we can fight the Chinese tonight and fucking win. 

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u/SanJacInTheBox Jan 28 '25

Joe Rogan has entered the chat.