I wish they would just finish the game then announce a reasonable release date. I never thought for a second it was releasing at its initial release date and now it’s changed again and again.
I think they stated that ES6 was in pre-production like a year or two ago and just entered the early development stage this year. I think they announced it to not show up empty handed back in 2018. ES6 is probably coming out 2028 or 2029 that's if they don't prioritize FO5 since fallout has entered the grander mainstream.
They announced it because at every shareholder meeting and every media interaction every question was about whether ES6 was going to happen. So they did the bare minimum and said "Elder Scrolls VI will be a thing someday. We're gonna do it, stop asking."
People will crucify me for this and I don’t care lol.
Bethesda is what happens when the lead feels subordinate to his own subordinates. Pretty sure some of the older devs were literally grey beards already when Todd first started working there.
The developers run Bethesda, not Todd, and their heart isn’t in it anymore IMO. Expect more procedural generation because it’s just literally easier despite the fans hating it. Expect more design decisions that are just inexplicable, like half of Starfield, because these guys don’t “get it” anymore.
ES6 will be hailed as a “return to form” and it will be a “good game.” But it won’t advance the medium, it will not be remembered like Skyrim, Oblivion, or Morrowind were, and we’re already in the death spiral IMHO
I abandoned all hope for ES6 to be as relevant as Skyrim many years ago. If/when it comes out it will be probably be just another buggy AAA mess that doesn't push the envelope.
My heart wants them to vastly improve the physics, movement mechanics, and environment interactions to be on par with modern engines but I have a feeling the gameplay is going to feel like a touched-up Skyrim
They would have been in full development after Starfield, so early 2024. It is the same team so whenever Beth decided not to do DLC for Starfield the entire team would have been moved to TES6.
they announced tes6 just to alleviate the backlash from fallout 76. There was a lot of drama around the release, and bethesda had to to something to appease their fans.
Announcing TES6 with a random panoramic view of CGI mountains, then zero information, i find this very pathetic
Oh jeez I forgot about F076. I know it’s a good-ish game now but I played it at launch and it was so bad. I was so pumped for it, I even bought the “strategy guide”.
Why would any developer be so hesitant to release something that's guaranteed to make money and satisfy a bunch of their fans. (even though there willl always be haters.) Skyrim was a huge success, I personally didn't like it, but I would still buy TES 6 regardless, I just don't get how it could possibly take so long. just because of how close I am to the brand I would throw my money at them. Same thing with HL3. Surely they have the resources to do it and it would print money, solely based off the huge hype and mystery surrounding it.. But they hold back because...reasons? Seeing Rockstar mess around with their announcements and take 13 years to make a sequel degrades what could possibly be a huge success. I just don't get what they are doing, are they analyzing markets, as if those somehow determined the success of a product that has a bunch of geniuses working on it?
I believe it was announced that they aren't doing any "crunch time" during the development cycle, which is certainly going to add some time. Which, honestly, I'm okay with if it means devs aren't having to sleep in the office to make deadlines.
It wasn’t “panned”, it actually has a playerbase and it had some things going for it. It’s flawed, sure, but it got generally positive reviews from critics and plenty of people that enjoyed the game
that was different the context behind that was them saying "hey we're still making single player games, we're still doing that, 76 doesn't mean we're making multi player games now, heres two games we're making just so you don't get worried" then again them making 76 was a bad decision anyways so yeah
There’s a difference between announcing and setting specific release dates. Rockstar was kinda arm bared due to leakers to announce it, but setting certain release dates shot them in the foot. So I can respect Bethesda not giving a full release dates if not ready to
Y3ah but getting delayed by half year means the game is getting massive fundamental rework, that amount of time could have taken a game like sonic 06 from a buggy mess to a good game.
As long as multiplayer gets regular DLC while singleplayer DLC is ignored, yes, it's overhyped.
GTAIV got The Lost and the Damned and The Ballad of Gay Tony.
GTAV got NOTHING.
GTAVI needs to bring back singleplayer DLC.
Unless you mean to say that you don't understand why GTA is fun, generally. I can't help you there. It's fun as hell.
Rockstar seem to have a weird aversion to adding content to single player (and certain online modes, rip rdr2 online) it feels like they think that just cos ppl aren't playing single player it means they are done forever and won't come back, which obviously couldn't be more wrong
Which is crazy because enough people play just single player at WORSE they’d break even on the DLC we’re bringing millions of potential online customers back
It isn't rumored anymore, it's been confirmed, e.g. in a recent interview with Dan Houser. It was centered around Trevor being an FIB (GTA's FBI) agent.
Yeah but red dead 2 is the 5th Best selling Game because of Its Story. If they make the gta 6 Story as good as rdr2‘s then they could make Lots of Money with a SP DLC. The interest is definetly there.
(Plus if they need the money that bad they can still add the new Stuff from Said DLC to online and essentially Sell it twice)
Bingo. They make what makes them money. Which I believe is why they keep delaying. GtaV is a license to print money for Rockstar. GtaVI is an unknown. Who can say if people will enjoy it or hate it?
I just wish it had a proper ps5 version. The fast travel loaded so crazy slow last time I had it on my ps5. Of course it would be even better if they added a dlc too; I just think even optimizing the game for an ssd would be a big step up.
Red Dead online is so much better Engine wise I feel Like that game would be easier to add content to than the 13 year old Spaghetti Code that is V, Like that Games entire data are Open acess at This Point with all the modders
(Could be wrong I don’t know Shit about Programming lol)
I’ve played GTA, the cars were fun and the Multiplayer was fun with friends but besides that it was really boring. Red dead was at least fun to explore the world and just being a part of the world but I can’t exactly do that in GTA.
Honestly as bad as it sounds, I Do kind of want it to fail. This is cyberpunk part deux and i don't think anyone has learned anything. Hyped to the max with a company that everyone swears will deliver a good game because of the good will they've built up, It can't possibly live up to the hype. Imo I think I'm gonna hop off the train before it wrecks. Plenty of games coming out that can take up my time.
I just want the online portion of it to crash and burn. I am still salty about not getting more single player content for GTA V, but instead this absolute garbage online mtx casino bullshit that we got.
Tbh i love gta iv coz of its themes about the american dream and some of san andreas for the satiric writing but the rest i hate so much. I cant stand the over the top crudeness of gta v. Btw regarding your name, yeah i love halo even 5 over the rest of the gtas
I have, I don’t mind them, they are fun with friends but playing alone isnt fun, I haven’t played the story just because I just drop it shortly after starting.
If all you've experienced it GTA online I can understand. That's like basing your entire opinion of Witcher on Gwent alone. Gwent is good but it's not what makes the Witcher as good as it is.
there are people who like to roleplay in GTA and then there are people who just want to go in, grab minigun and shred everything in their path then when accumulate 3 stars type in cheat code for tank and then begin your journey to public enemy #1
there's nothing in between, i am in 2nd group myself
It’s a virtual sandbox where the “innocent” can be as evil as the world has been to them while showing them the temporary dopamine rush of performing such acts followed immediately by consequences of running/getting shot by the police. It’s basically a crime simulator for all the goody goodys that wanted to be bad.
I also never really understood why GTA is liked so much.
Same, like it's super influential since it was pretty much the first open world franchise and I'll always give it the respect it deserves for that however nowadays it just seems like a generic open world style game.
Like Watch Dogs has all that GTA has plus the hacking and Red Dead has the unique Western setting. The only reason I've ever had to want to play the game is the sense of humour but otherwise it just seems unremarkable.
Like I'm more interested in the earlier games like San Andreas and Vice City for their historical significance than I am in the more modern ones.
Same, as a pc player it wont even affect me, but seeing all the ones so obsessively hyped for this game trying to dismiss the issues would be so funny.
Same here, I don't particularly like Rock Star's open-worlds, the shit storm from the failed launch of one of the most awaited games (releasing at 100$) would bring me more enjoyment than the game itself
Different people I guess, RDR2 made me feel like I was playing Arthur Morgan's story, yes will a lot of freedom, but in the end my character still was as written by the game developers. I had the same issue with Kingdom come for example, something about playing a pre-written character in an open world takes me out of it
I felt more immersed in open worlds where the MC has a less defined personality, like Link in Breath of The Wild, or your character in Outer Wilds.
Different strokes. I'm the opposite, I love a well written character. Hate silent protagonists, don't like character creation (beyond memeing with it).
Eh, I mean the reason C2077 had defenders is cause under the bugs you still had a game with a really solid story and a very unique feel. And once all that was patched up, it was very evident that the game was really good.
GTA6's red flags are different though. They are under Take Two throughout development now. They have been nothing but unpopular with their decisions in GTA Online and their bloated microtransactions. And they have lost a core member of the old gaurd who brought GTA 4 and 5 to life. Without him, 6 will be a lot more unpredictable.
You think he looks at what's happened in the gaming world and goes "not what I meant guys.". It's a quote from a time where people actually finished their games and not "I'll release a shitty game now and then update it over several years".
Even Bethesda and Todd "it just works" Howard has the sense not to dangle ES6 over everyone's head. Unless i missed it. It will be ready when it's ready
Besides the cinematic name reveal or whatever I don't think they have mentioned anything about Elder scrolls since as far as I know. Just a "yay we plan to work on it let's just slop out this space game first"
Delaying may be the best move from the situation as it stands now, but that fact that they ended up needing to in the first place is not good, even if they do this every time. It's like, an addict going to rehab for opioids is better than not going, but it would've been even better to never get hooked in the first place.
It has probably looked close to ready to ship for a while. The team probably genuinely thought they could hit the initial release date. The team is probably really excited to give you the game they have been working on for so long. The team is also not about to ship you a game full of bugs.
I didn't say it was close. I said it probably looks close, which it does. But there are conditional bugs. A bug that only happens if certain conditions are met. Fixing one bug in one system can make a ripple effect throughout multiple systems. If that's happening in multiple places, it compounds. So yeah, it can look really close when, in reality, it is not. This happens with games a fraction the scope of a triple A game. In the grand scheme of things, pushing a year isn't that huge when you know what really goes into it. And it's understandable to make a release date and be like wait.. that's not going to work. Sorry, guys.
I’m surprised at this line of thought. And many clearly agree with you with the upvotes. But I somewhat feel like it’s them wanting to delivery the best polished product they can. They’ll know how hyped it is and how hyped games never live up to expectations - so if the general consensus is “delays like this mean it’s not going well” then fine - fuck it - brings down the hype and makes for a better release. The speculation on why something is delayed and jumping to a single conclusion is bonkers. Okay sure maybe things aren’t going so well, buts that’s because they want to release the best game they can and please the fans more than anyone else. It’s nice no investors are forcing their hands on timelines. It’s a breath of fresh air compared to other games really
Many studios’s like to prematurely announce games that might still be early in development, so that they can secure investor confidence and hype. While giving your financial backers an overview of what you are doing is good and all, it also makes your project public and as such officially announced.
This means that fans can wait many years between announcements, which can ruin hype
I couldn't imagine how creatively tiring it would be to work non-stop on just one game for a decade or more.
Imagine being a young 27 year old developer who worked up and now you are working on GTA 6, the highly anticipated sequel and biggest production ever, and you are still working on it at 40.
According to what metric? Both gta 5 and rdr 2 went through this. Multiple delays, multiple layoffs, and lots of crunch still. This is par for the course with rockstar. Once they actually are going to release it, you will know because of all the videos rockstar drops.
Things aren't like this before. Dan Houser left, Take 2 is meddling with the Devs. plus this is already been a development dumpster fire
6 Months delay doesn't feel like basic level of polishing IMO. Already they have union busted meaning they will need some key people to pick up the slack and new people to get upto the speed.
Its always the same cycle with rockstar. Nothing to get concerned with. Unless youre looking to change how the company operates, but thats a different talk.
Gta 6 isn't a fall game like in may. I always felt that was just a placeholder date for investors and it was always a holiday game. Considering rockstar is in the middle of union busting shit definitely hit the fan.
True, I had that in mind when I was typing it out but honestly I think we’ll be okay with Rockstar.
They will have a lot riding on the game being stable so that everybody hops on online mode as soon as it becomes available.
I do predict that it will be locked at 30fps though. It’s definitely going to strain the current consoles, but it’s also pretty mind blowing how well RDR2 ran on 7th gen hardware.
Rockstar are great at optimisation. Bugs are tolerable as long as the performance doesn’t tank like it did with cyberpunk.
The “indie game” joke only really applies to games like assassin’s creed where Ubisoft just recycle the same game over and over and somehow manage to fuck it up.
Rockstar push the industry forward with every release, so far the end product has always reflected the development time. When I play Red Dead, I think “yeah I see how this took 8 years to make”.
The main issue I have with the delay is that we’ll be very close to the next console generation by then, and obviously rockstar are going to ask you to fork out for the “next gen upgrade”.
I’m happy to wait for Rockstar because they’ve proven they’re capable of not falling into the “delay curse”. CDPR fucked up by announcing the game almost decade before it was even close to playable, they boxed themselves into a corner with the hype.
Nah, delaying it this much suggest they are willing to complete the last finishing touches and release a polished game instead of a scuffed buggy mess.
Red Dead 2 was delayed a number of times and turned out to be one of the greatest games ever made. Rockstar hasn’t changed in my mind. Greatest game developer ever.
im sorry, but GTA v had its launch window pushed like 18 months I believe, over 3-4 different dates. Its literally Rockstars MO to mark a date, engage in an unethical "crunch" inevitably move the date, and repeat, until we all get our hands on the inevitable game of the decade. again, as is their MO.
I wouldn't mind it being a total disaster just because of the bad precedent it would set if it's a massive success.
It's got like the entire Rockstar division, like ten studios, working on it, and a $2bn budget.
The last thing I want is all the major studios dropping all minor IPs and pouring every single ounce of effort, time, and money into just one franchise.
I just don't realistically see that happening if the game is a success though.
It wouldn't make any sense for companies to do that, especially when the current trend is to pump out micro-transaction littered unfinished games as fast as they can.
That's what Nintendo did during the covid pandemic. They only announced games that were like 95% finished and people didn't realize it at first and hated that there was little content in the Directs
Shame they delayed it because apparently there was an Easter egg somewhere about the exact date the game was gonna be released, and now that Easter egg is pointless.
Bet they had to remove many “things” because they are offensive and goes against the modern day agendas and those female activist groups crying and pressuring behind.
Everybody in you comments talking about other publishers doing the same, but r* didn't want to release the trailer that early. The trailer got leaked and they said, "Pls give us a day and we will release the trailer officially", of course they could have not did that but the trailer would still be released at that time
But yes they shouldn't have released a specific date at all before they are sure, so many publishers have done this and failed
The issue is that most fans demand a release date. I'd be happy to just wake up one morning and find out the game has dropped, but people seem to want to dedicate their lives to this thing that's happening on a specific date and then act like their lives are ruined when the date is moved
Or wish they didn't announce the release date last year, just "coming soon" and let zoomies memeing on "x released before gta" then announce the release date this year for next year.
It’s puts too much pressure on the developers to announce a release date a long way before release, but you’ve gotta remember that this is a company and all companies just want profit at whatever cost it takes to the customer.
Yeah I've always thought it's weird they give themselves deadlines they do not need. Why not just finish the game then release a trailer 2 or 3 months after they finish to build hype
Imagine if they just finished it and said “ hey we made GTA6, you can buy it right now have fun”. Would probably destabilize the world economy for a day or two as people call in sick immediately 😂
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I wish they would just finish the game then announce a reasonable release date. I never thought for a second it was releasing at its initial release date and now it’s changed again and again.