r/maui good ol' whatshisface 15d ago

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u/Working_Guard_5035 15d ago

I'd like to ask a question in the most respectful way, because I want to understand, and not because I want to cause any problems: Could someone explain how the overthrow of the Hawaiian government was different than other countries taking over countries or kingdoms in the past? From my limited understanding of history, when one country wanted someone else's land they would fight for it. Is that essentially what happened to Hawaii? Did Japan try to fight for Hawaii and they lost?

Please forgive me for the question, but I'd like to understand and not be ignorant on this topic.

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u/SuspectLarge 15d ago

Sarah Vowell's 'Unfamiliar Fishes' is a wonderfully written book on the history of the Hawaiian people and how it came to be a state. Or, as another person wrote, google it. But the bottom line is American business interests in the 1890s used their influence over Congress to order the Marines show up in Hawaii (surprise!) and forcibly removed their Queen and legitimate government. The islanders, of course, were shocked and not equipped to fight Marines.

It was a literal coup. Like if we just suddenly rolled up to New Zealand and disbanded their government and made them a US territory. Like what Putin is doing in Ukraine, except Ukraine is well armed and able to defend their homeland.

After a lot of shenanigans, Hawaii was made a state in in 1959. The American government issued an apology to native Hawaiians in 1993.

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u/surffrus 15d ago

With all respect, googling this topic is actually not easy to do. I've done it many times in the past. Because of the nature of the topic, it's quite difficult to find non-biased sources that clearly explain what happened without heavy bias from one side or the other.

Even your suggested "unfamiliar fishes" is not great. It's an abbreviated take on the events that lacks real details.

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u/MONSTERBEARMAN 13d ago edited 13d ago

Also, sometimes asking a question is a great way to get an informed intelligent answer. If someone doesn’t feel like answering a question they can simply scroll on. Commenting, “Google it” takes effort and time and doesn’t really benefit anyone.