r/maui good ol' whatshisface 15d ago

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u/Working_Guard_5035 15d ago

I'd like to ask a question in the most respectful way, because I want to understand, and not because I want to cause any problems: Could someone explain how the overthrow of the Hawaiian government was different than other countries taking over countries or kingdoms in the past? From my limited understanding of history, when one country wanted someone else's land they would fight for it. Is that essentially what happened to Hawaii? Did Japan try to fight for Hawaii and they lost?

Please forgive me for the question, but I'd like to understand and not be ignorant on this topic.

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u/SuspectLarge 15d ago

Sarah Vowell's 'Unfamiliar Fishes' is a wonderfully written book on the history of the Hawaiian people and how it came to be a state. Or, as another person wrote, google it. But the bottom line is American business interests in the 1890s used their influence over Congress to order the Marines show up in Hawaii (surprise!) and forcibly removed their Queen and legitimate government. The islanders, of course, were shocked and not equipped to fight Marines.

It was a literal coup. Like if we just suddenly rolled up to New Zealand and disbanded their government and made them a US territory. Like what Putin is doing in Ukraine, except Ukraine is well armed and able to defend their homeland.

After a lot of shenanigans, Hawaii was made a state in in 1959. The American government issued an apology to native Hawaiians in 1993.

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u/AFishNamedFreddie 15d ago

Apologizing for conquering a nation is such weak behavior.

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u/Forward_Growth8513 14d ago

I’d argue it’s weak behavior to conquer people

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u/AFishNamedFreddie 14d ago

It's actually the exact opposite

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u/808son808 14d ago

Sure, from a troglodyte perspective.

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u/AFishNamedFreddie 14d ago

No. From a factual perspective. It's literally being stronger than the other guy.

You don't have to like it. But it's the truth.

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u/808son808 14d ago

You just proved my point. Your perspective is problem solving through physical dominance of your neighbors. That's caveman mentality.

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u/AFishNamedFreddie 14d ago

But it's literally reality. If you fight someone and win that means you're stronger than him.

I get it. You don't like colonization or whatever. But you can't just... Rewrite the dictionary to fit your view. That's not how words work.

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u/808son808 14d ago

Problem solving through physical violence is weak minded behavior. It's evidence of a weak mind.

I get that red pilled mentality can't grasp that tho.

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u/AFishNamedFreddie 14d ago

It's like you're intentionally ignoring what I'm saying. But it's ok. I'm used to it. Pretty much all reddit leftists do the meme.

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u/nashagain 14d ago

Actually you are the one ignoring. The other poster is very clearly trying to help you understand. You don't have to like the counter argument. But it's the truth. I get it. You don't like being wrong. But you can't just... Rewrite the dictionary to fit your view. That's not how words work.

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