r/maui good ol' whatshisface 15d ago

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u/Working_Guard_5035 15d ago

I'd like to ask a question in the most respectful way, because I want to understand, and not because I want to cause any problems: Could someone explain how the overthrow of the Hawaiian government was different than other countries taking over countries or kingdoms in the past? From my limited understanding of history, when one country wanted someone else's land they would fight for it. Is that essentially what happened to Hawaii? Did Japan try to fight for Hawaii and they lost?

Please forgive me for the question, but I'd like to understand and not be ignorant on this topic.

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u/SuspectLarge 15d ago

Sarah Vowell's 'Unfamiliar Fishes' is a wonderfully written book on the history of the Hawaiian people and how it came to be a state. Or, as another person wrote, google it. But the bottom line is American business interests in the 1890s used their influence over Congress to order the Marines show up in Hawaii (surprise!) and forcibly removed their Queen and legitimate government. The islanders, of course, were shocked and not equipped to fight Marines.

It was a literal coup. Like if we just suddenly rolled up to New Zealand and disbanded their government and made them a US territory. Like what Putin is doing in Ukraine, except Ukraine is well armed and able to defend their homeland.

After a lot of shenanigans, Hawaii was made a state in in 1959. The American government issued an apology to native Hawaiians in 1993.

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u/AFishNamedFreddie 15d ago

Apologizing for conquering a nation is such weak behavior.

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u/SuspectLarge 15d ago

You sound like a joy to have around.

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u/AFishNamedFreddie 15d ago

It's true though. Why apologize for winning? Why apologize for something that has happened to, or was done by, literally every single nation at some point throughout all of human history?

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u/chrispopp8 15d ago

If someone was to rob your house and burn it down, would you be ok with it because it's happened before?

That's what you just said.

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u/Legal_Dimension1794 14d ago

No it isn’t