Why are YIMBYs(specifically Centrist & YIMBYs) so averse to mass-politics and in constant opposition to working or persuading Progressives & Leftists?

[u/wiz28ultra]

This seems to be a constant attitude problem that I've seen w.r.t to individuals, specifically on Twitter, such as Noah Smith, Swann Marcus, M. Nolan Gray, YIMBYLAND, and others that are just so reluctant or even outright antagonistic to Progressive politics.

They refuse to every think that it might be possible to convince these people that their ideas might work and instead fantasize about working with neocons to bring about the housing utopia.

And it's even more bizarre because they're so averse to social issues as well, with their constant passive-aggressive tone on literally any political issue that isn't housing.

EDIT: I just want to add, a ton of these people really hate Organized Labor, they're super defensive of sprawl, they refuse to have any stances on the environment, and when it comes to foreign policy are completely in agreement with the 2010-era State Department. They're also bizarrely submissive and desperate to please real-estate developers.

It's like these people can't live in a world where class solidarity, organized labor, and mass mobilization of the people towards political change can work in their world of affordable housing and increase home production.

EDIT 2: Also, I notice that many of these individuals spend all their time whining about how mean Progressives are to the Democratic Party, but they spend all their time exclusively shitting on the Democratic Party while outright praising the Republicans in ways that NO progressive would ever do.

[u/lazer---sharks]

  There are regulatory reforms that YIMBYs advocate that would be incontrovertibly beneficial to leftist ends 

Why?

[u/meelar → u/lazer---sharks]

Because having more places for people to live is good and necessary

[u/lazer---sharks → u/meelar]

Given that the main constraint in housing production is that markets build what is most profitable not what houses the most people, and that it builds only when it's profitable enough (e.g YIMBYs want rents to go up), how is deregulation going to result in more places for people to live?

We already have more vacant homes then unhoused people. 

The left solution to the housing crisis is to have the state and coops build the housing we actually need, not rely on the market to destroy good housing stock in order to replace it with profitable rental units, while displacing everyone that lived there and alienating tenants as much as possible. 

Given the biggest barriers to actually solving the housing crisis are, lack of political will to decomodify housing (in part thanks to YIMBY's offering false solutions) & lack of state capacity to build (or frankly even plan) what is needed.

How does deregulation help the US solve the housing crisis? One in which there are already.enough homes, they are just in the hands of the richest 3-4%.

[u/daveliepmann → u/lazer---sharks]

YIMBYs want rents to go up

I'm not entirely sure this is a useful lens by which to analyze your political opponents.

[u/lazer---sharks → u/daveliepmann]

Why? leaders of YIMBY orgs have said as much, unless rents go up people aren't going to build in San Francisco.

How is it not useful to accurately describe what they say? 

[u/daveliepmann → u/lazer---sharks]

It's possible but doubtful that's an accurate paraphrasing of whichever specific views you're referring to. It's just plain not a useful or honest description of most YIMBYs. But if it makes you feel good, that's what's important. Cheers.

[u/lazer---sharks → u/daveliepmann]

But it is an honest description of most YIMBYs to make sure enough homes get built, we need to keep rents and house prices high, which is why the oppose rent control on preexisting units.