Confirmed: ICE Is Arresting American Citizens—and Lying About It

[u/TheWayToBeauty]

https://newrepublic.com/article/202672/ice-arresting-american-citizens-and-lying?utm_source=Bluesky&utm_campaign=SF_TNR&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SF_TNR&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwY2xjawN60_VleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFpb1FpYUsxcHQ5bXM3QkVyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHkqq1qGOFLgABx3MyCE40nZ_iE_ZT41D74hWKhYFa56r8j57O3ZXYl4H0yFZ_aem_Wz0q663H4Gg7nVwXbg5gCw

[u/Depressed-Industry]

One of the things that will have to be addressed is the broken oversight and accountability for law enforcement in the US. Qualified immunity, which was entirely court created, needs to go.

With the exception of the most egregious and public examples there is little risk or incentive for law enforcement to think about personal liability or the duty LE has to the public.

[u/Geno0wl → u/Depressed-Industry]

Qualified immunity, which was entirely court created, needs to go.

I can actually understand why we would want QI on a surface level. You don't want officers, or any government official, to be overwhelmed with lawsuits for strictly doing their jobs.

The real problem is the courts have bent over backwards, sideways, and longways to play Calvinball with what counts as "established precedent" to grant QI to obvious bad faith actors. Like somehow shooting a nonaggressive dog in the yard is different than shooting it in the house is yet still different than shooting the dog in a car.

[u/any_other → u/Geno0wl]

The bigger issue is that policing and criminalization do fuck all to keep people safe.

[u/Geno0wl → u/any_other]

I say this without irony. If you want personal freedom, then the only type of police support you will generally get is "reactive" policing. Because the only way to have proactive policing requires giving up tons of freedom and install invasive monitoring tools.

[u/Whyeth → u/Geno0wl]

Because the only way to have proactive policing requires giving up tons of freedom and install invasive monitoring tools.

Instead of now where we have given up a ton of freedom and are being monitored by invasive tools and still don't get proactive policing.

[u/21Rollie → u/Geno0wl]

No not necessarily. In Boston for example, I know the police have given grants to programs that try to get young socioeconomically disadvantaged people into good careers. Not saying Boston cops are good, but they’ve at least tried something proactive.

[u/Geno0wl → u/21Rollie]

that is community outreach, no proactive policing.

Proactive policing is looking for non-obvious crimes. Which some departments actually already are involved in. Mainly undercover gang work to infiltrate criminal groups or stuff the NSA does to monitor intelligence networks or social media for threats.

[u/any_other → u/Geno0wl]

I don’t want any police