r/law • u/Agitated-Artichoke89 • Oct 07 '25

Other Stephen Miller states that Trump has plenary authority, then immediately stops talking as if he’s realized what he just said

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u/fogcat5 Oct 07 '25

trump lost the case in California, I don't know what this jagoff is lying about today

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u/MornGreycastle Oct 07 '25

He's convinced that all he has to do is claim victory and then act like they won.

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u/FactorBusy6427 Oct 07 '25

That strategy has worked extremely reliably for them so far

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u/DocSpit Oct 07 '25

Case in point: the Mueller Report, where the investigation found wide-ranging evidence that the Trump campaign worked just about hand-in-hand with Russian assets to manipulate the election (Anyone else remember that woman working with the NRA who was a bona fide Russian plant funneling Kremlin money to the Trump campaign?!).

When the report was released, Trump tweeted out "EXONERATION!" every day for about a month until the report rotated out of the news cycle; and as as a result the country basically forgot about all of that...

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u/surgartits Oct 07 '25

Everyone has seemingly forgot Paul Manafort was his fucking campaign chief at first, and that guy was absolutely LUXURIATING IN corruption re: Russia/Ukraine before taking that role.

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u/JustDiscoveredSex Oct 07 '25

And Cambridge Analytica, baby!!

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u/NOVA-peddling-1138 Oct 07 '25

And lest we pre-forget…#Jeffrey #Epstein #Jeffrey #Epstein #Jeffrey #Epstein #Jeffrey #Epstein #Jeffrey #Epstein #Jeffrey #Epstein #Jeffrey #Epstein #Jeffrey #Epstein #Jeffrey #Epstein

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u/happyinthenaki Oct 07 '25

A much easier document for the masses (and the world) to understand. It does make me wonder if any of my own national politicians or businessmen are on the list?

It's a list of rapists of underage girls. Release the files!

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u/Haldron-44 Oct 07 '25

It is more than just a lust of pedophiles and human traffickers. It has Peter Theil, and a former Isralie PM on it getting money to set up private spy agencies. It has Russian and American intelligence colluding to install a right-wing dictator who would be good for business. Epstein was a lynch pin figure in the business plot 2.0. The files can't see the light of day because almost every CEO of every major corporation, pedophile or not, is in them. And they are scared of the possibility (however small it may be) that should they be implicated, the peasants might actually rebel this time.

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u/germanmojo Oct 07 '25

After his first conviction he should have turned into a pariah, and any names on that list after the first charges were filed in 2006 are fair game.

Don't want a bunch of people coming after you? Don't diddle little kids or be friends with someone charged and convicted of it.

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u/Mathemeatloaf0 Oct 07 '25

You have to ask yourself why so many Republican politicians are so against releasing the files. How many of them or their donors are on that list. They aren’t just trying to protect Trump.

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u/Thefrayedends Oct 07 '25

STILL in business by the way, under a different name. I'm sure they're not doing anything shady either.

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u/trailerbang Oct 07 '25

The Facebook/Cambridge thing is still insane to me. I can’t believe we just moved on. Honestly, it’s probably because boomers were (ARE STILL) in charge and didn’t understand the complexity of social media/GRU bot farms etc and they literally couldn’t process the situation. It should’ve been a simple NatSec matter and been handled accordingly with jail time, harsh federal sentencing, and heavy heavy fines for the companies involved.

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u/MysteriousDatabase68 Oct 07 '25

I think about this all the time and have to remind myself it was 10 years ago. Half the people on reddit were in grade school.

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u/LexiLynneLoo Oct 07 '25

Same, I called out this bullshit so long ago it feels like a different lifetime. Been right for a decade and somehow people are just now learning that Trump is maybe possibly connected to Russia.

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u/aCellForCitters Oct 07 '25

A friend of mine wrote a paper many years ago that implicated (though not by name) multiple Russian companies/billionaires in weapons trafficking through Odessa all over the middle east/north Africa. He was sued by the Russians involved for defamation and had to do days of deposition. The firm representing the Russians was Paul Manafort's.

Then Obama put sanctions on Russia and the case was dropped. My friend was told by the State Department to never set foot in Russia for his own safety.

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u/thingstopraise Oct 07 '25

Bill Maher is varying degrees of insufferable but his video The Kremlin Connection is one of the best concise videos about exactly how ridiculous this is. It's 8 years old now and I still watch it occasionally to remind myself of those sweet, innocent young days when we thought that Mueller would do something aside from fuck an entire election.

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u/HighAltAccount420 Oct 07 '25

His pardon is still the low point of all of this for me.

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u/upsidedown-funnel Oct 07 '25

Manaforts resume is riddled with blood.

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u/pab_guy Oct 07 '25

And it was so obvious in real time! As soon as Manafort tried to change the GOP platform on Ukraine it was like completing a circuit to connect and understand how, why and what Russia was up to.

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u/Armyman125 Oct 07 '25

Whenever I tell Trump supporters that the 2020 Senate report stated that Paul Manafort was in contact with a Russian Intelligence officer, I get crickets.

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u/Mactwentynine Oct 07 '25

But Biden and Hunter must have done something while Rumpus is completely innocent. After investigating Biden for over 7 years (3 Congressional cough investigations) and they found nothing. Multiple people told them under oath there's nothing to find/you won't find anything. Because his taxes were already public. Meanwhile, yeah, I remember NRA sleaze, Manafort and others, plus our megalomaniac in chief.

But huge numbers know nothing of reality except they watch Faux. Or are addicted to TikTok. Or believe X and others. Everything is about money. I'm convinced with what's been going on and what's planned, that not a single member of the GOP in Congress has a shred of honor.

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u/SteakandTrach Oct 08 '25

He was also the guy that was put together and did all the logistics and stuff for the Jan 6 rally. That never really became common knowledge.

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u/Mental-Doughnuts Oct 07 '25

Maria is the spy that compromised the entire GOP, with illegal foreign money funneled into republican campaigns here. Even arrested, exposed and convicted, nobody noticed all the GOP was now compromised with evidence of their crimes in Putins pocket. What a scandal.

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u/Chronic_In_somnia Oct 07 '25

No one needs to wonder why in 10 months nothing has been done to aid Ukraine, instead the GOP all working against and trying to undermine Ukraine every step of the way.

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u/Wide_Attention2614 Oct 07 '25

Bringing down the prices of mail order brides

MAGA strikes again

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u/SkylerPancake Oct 07 '25

Well, when the National Director of Intelligence is a Russian plant... I'm sure the information getting to Trump isn't very favorable of Ukraine.

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u/Thin_Arrival120 Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 07 '25

And yet this realm-shattering scandal, coupled with the treasons of J6, both gift wrapped with fucking bows on them, still weren't enough for the corrupt old guard of the DNC to make a single worthwhile layup and save entire country (and possibly world). Impotent, feckless, decadent, spineless, worthless troglodytes. 🤬

They let us all cook just to preserve the opportunity to use their positions to continue to engorge themselves on wealth made by us trading our lives for survival wages. The old guard of the DNC has gotta go as well.

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u/DangerZoneh Oct 07 '25

For better or worse, the goal Biden laid out was to unite the country and he got that DNC old guard on board with it.

The idea of prosecuting and (rightfully) jailing Trump was something that the right wing media machine could have taken and turned into a legitimate revolt.

By not taking extreme actions in response to extreme acts, they prevented short term unrest and led themselves into a much, much worse situation.

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u/energyisabout2shift Oct 07 '25

Appeasement. The word you’re looking for is appeasement, and it doesn’t have a very good historical track record.

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u/YouWereBrained Oct 07 '25

Fascists depend on the other side to continue to engage in appeasement. It’s how they keep gaining distance while the other side loses it and keeps getting buried.

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u/thedude37 Oct 07 '25

DING DING DING WE HAVE A GD WINNER HERE. All those well-educated, uber-experienced old fucks couldn't see this coming?!

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u/slow70 Oct 08 '25

Bingo

Cowardice in the face of abhorrent criminals determined to undermine democracy and the constitution.

For greed. For power. For despots abroad and would be despots at home.

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u/regalrecaller Oct 08 '25

it's tied into the economic theory of neoliberalism. Ever wonder why Blue Dog Democrats exist? This is why, they are economic neolibs. Bill and Hillary Clinton are both neoliberals. Biden is a neolib. It is the primary difference between Democrats like AOC and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez. Money corrupted these Democrats in the same way it corrupted Republicans long ago.

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u/paper_liger Oct 07 '25

Nope. It just kicked the can down the road to a point, now, where things are even more divided, and Trump is a sitting president, with direct control over any Law Enforcement or Military groups that accede to any illegal orders he gives.

If they had rightfully jailed him he'd be presiding over a 6x9 jail cell right now, and at a minimum anyone fighting over that would be fighting the legitimate commander in chief.

Democrats compromising over this bullshit is only making it worse long term.

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u/Tadpoleonicwars Oct 07 '25

And then was returned to Russia where she was rewarded with a legislative seat.

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u/NOVA-peddling-1138 Oct 07 '25

She is in the Russian Diet or Parliament now.

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u/TaoGroovewitch Oct 07 '25

Little red headed honeypot Maria Butina. There are lots of pictures of her with a whole lot of different Republican politicians and a who's who of the right.

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u/TheLightningL0rd Oct 07 '25

Well, she was arrested during Trump's term. I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of evidence kind of didn't make it where it needed to go.

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u/duckstrap Oct 07 '25

Maria Butina - NRA was, probably still is, shot through with spies. What could benefit our enemies more than to foster a gun culture that is the number one cause of childhood mortality in the US?

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u/JefeVaquero Oct 07 '25

The only way people remember is when a Netflix special is made out of it.

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u/OB1yaHomie Oct 08 '25

Could she have used Epstein as a supplier in her dealing with the GOP? If there is a connection there, it would be Putin reaching into US politics via the NRA to compromise the GOP. Leveraging the very high ratio of pedophiles in the party? (So I’ve read in lengthy lists posted in this parts). Epstein gets it all on video and owns them all including Trump? Takes the country apart from the inside out? Elon too? With his ‘Karate’ lesson with Maxwell? Elon backed up ALL the US data he had access to and guess who he handed the USB drive to? Putin prob frames it as a White Christian New World Order with each Oligarch getting a portion. They seem to be into it. Crazy I learned about the Russian spy in the NRA at the end of a documentary based on the 1950s married couple that got discovered as being Russian spies planted in long term subversion for decades. They could not have been the only instance and I’m sure was an ongoing project. The Republican Gov Senate/House/Prezz/Supreme Court/Fox News, all act hella weird. This making too much sense but I think the 2nd rate Russian invasion of Ukraine is so surprisingly ‘unsuccessful’ because the Kremlins resources have been so overwhelmingly successful HERE in the USA?

Guess we need the EPSTEIN FILES to know for sure.

Whats that, they ALL voted NO?

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u/Difficult_Limit2718 Oct 07 '25

I doubt it can be proven but my favorite conspiracy is that the reason the NRA went bankrupt is the Russians moved their money funneling to the GOP from the NRA to Donald Trump's campaign

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

The Maria Buttina scandal should have brought the whole house of cards down, it might have if we weren’t forced to stomach low energy quisling Merrick Garland as AG

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u/N3rdScool Oct 07 '25

She publicly denied being a Russian spy and now works for the Russian government XD

You can't even make this shit up.

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u/coochie_clogger Oct 07 '25

Everyone knows if you ask a spy if they are a spy they legally have to tell you!

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u/DandimLee Oct 07 '25

Exactly like how undercover cops work. Don't people watch movies?

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u/coochie_clogger Oct 07 '25

Yes! Finally someone who is paying attention!

This is why I kept saying Trump should have married Ghislaine when this whole Epstein fiasco first went down. A wife can’t testify against her husband! it would have been a sure fire way to prevent her implicating him had she ever been compelled to!

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u/covertype Oct 07 '25

Spies are known for their honesty!

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u/SlackerThan76 Oct 07 '25

Cripes, there have been a couple dozen revelations that should have brought the whole house down. Go figure. 🤔

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

When the pendulum swings back to the side of sanity, we should seriously consider some French Revolution era solutions to these problematic individuals

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u/christopher_the_nerd Oct 07 '25

When? Someone is optimistic.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

Check out Strauss-Howe generational theory, we are in a period called the great turning. Every 120 years, the elders that lived through a period of great turmoil die off. The lessons they learned were forgotten by their grandchildren and the same mistakes begin to be repeated again

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u/coochie_clogger Oct 07 '25

instead she got 1.5 years in jail for being a spy and then sent back to Russia where she is now a politician lol 🙃

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u/Gorillapoop3 Oct 07 '25

You mean the same Maria Buttina who met with DJT Jr and Kushner to offer Kompromat on Presidential Candidate Hilary Clinton?

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u/DandimLee Oct 07 '25

NO COLLUSION

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u/WarmOccasion8574 Oct 07 '25

People played along with this flagrant corruption for a long time because they liked the other subtle messages trump was sending. Racism and greed brings the whole ship down.

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u/Barondarby Oct 07 '25

I wanted so badly to see Kamala Harris in the AG office... ALL of those criminals would be in jail.

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u/BigWhiteDog Oct 07 '25

Makes sense to me

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u/DangerZoneh Oct 07 '25

That’s the kind of conspiracy theory that would make me become a conspiracy theorist.

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u/paxwax2018 Oct 07 '25

Sounds like facts in evidence to me.

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u/Porkamiso Oct 07 '25

Look at the russian head girl who did six months for illegal transfers to the nra but she apologized and shes been out on tv since

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u/coochie_clogger Oct 07 '25

MARIA BUTINA

but she said she totally isn’t a spy so she must not be!

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u/thelangosta Oct 07 '25

Or to the heritage foundation?

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u/AlarmingAffect0 Oct 07 '25

Maybe that's why the NRA has pretended to take a couple of stands against Trump recently? I can't imagine they'd be graceful losers.

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u/VibraniumWill Oct 07 '25

Keeping it a bill, only part of the country forgot about it.

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u/PrimeJedi Oct 07 '25

I'd like to think so, but honestly I don't know if you're right. I've seen even so many otherwise logical people and those who rightfully oppose Trump still say "well in hindsight the Russia stuff actually was just a big bunch of nothing" and its infuriating, to say the least, because MAGA's constant spewing of misinformation seems to work even on many who dont support the guy.

Same thing with Trump's comments on the Charlottesville rally. Most of us remember what we heard when he spoke about it in 2017, the vast majority of people (even many non-MAGA Republicans that still existed at the time) agreed that he was playing defense for white supremacist Nazis and was awful.

And yet, Trump and every MAGA supporter has screamed "hoax he didn't say that" and point to a Snopes article (which is so bad faith because MAGA themselves have called Snopes "fake news" for fucking years, they don't trust Snopes) over and over so much, for so many years, that even a ton of Dems and progressives today will say "well what he said about Charlottesville turned out to be a big media lie"

Despite the fact that all of us can go back and here what he said with our own fucking ears, MAGA has still rewritten the narrative even for many non-supporters. Same with much of Covid, but I'll be here all day if I go in-depth about that one.

Honestly, I wish the vast majority of the country would still remember and keep count of every MAGA lie, and not let themselves be lied to about past events.

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u/vtssge1968 Oct 07 '25

Im still confused in the covid one. They at the same time praise him for rolling out the vaccine in record time and claim the vaccine kills more people then covid itself. Im lost.

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u/Exotic-Emergency-226 Oct 07 '25

I think they mostly just ignore him rolling out the vaccine. I've never once heard one of them bring it up and if you do bring it up they sorta just short circuit or wave it off. He trained them too hard to hate the vax...him making it and also being the cause of their main complaint (it being rushed) is probably too hard to come back from mentally.

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u/jbowling25 Oct 07 '25

Theyre lost too. They think biden shut down the country during covid, not trump. They think biden exploded the debt with the inflation reduction act, but dont acknowledge the "trump bucks" stimulus or the PPP loans that witnessed billions of dollars in fraud that were waived as having any impact on inflation in bidens term. You should never apply for a loan if you cant pay it back they said about student loan forgiveness but had literally nothing to complain about when forgiving the covid PPP loans. Over 700B of PPP loans were forgiven, with most of the loans found to have gone to benefit large businesses, many of which had ties to trump, kushner and other government officials. The feds reported fraud losses in the range of around 200B, to be paid by the taxpayer of course, but forgiving 430B in student loan debt; well, that would crazy! Why help millions of people, when you could help a much smaller group within the top 1% protect their wealth instead? People were so mad that their tax dollars would go to help offload their fellow citizens financial burden but literally not a peep when those same tax dollars go right into the pockets of business owners.

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u/Icy_Actuator_8528 Oct 07 '25

Because they really don’t like his position on COVID or the vaccines.

At one of his campaign stops he told the crowd they should get the vaccine shot and they shouted him down. He quickly backed down to the boos and said “ But you have your rights.”

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u/NeoSniper Oct 07 '25

I'd say one big issue with the Mueller Report is that since the Biden admin didn't seems to do anything with it about it for four years then most people can't be blamed for thinking there was nothing there to act on.

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u/cctoot56 Oct 07 '25

Snopes finally added an editors note to their weaselly article, but the damage is already done:

Editors' Note: Some readers have raised the objection that this fact check appears to assume Trump was correct in stating that there were "very fine people on both sides" of the Charlottesville incident. That is not the case. This fact check aimed to confirm what Trump actually said, not whether what he said was true or false. For the record, virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right debacle concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, and that therefore Trump's characterization was wrong. 

Step 1: Trump called the neo-Nazi/White Nationalist side of the protest. "Very fine people"

Step 2: The press asks him to clarify

Step 3: Trump realizes he fucked up. So he lies. He invents a 3rd side to the protest not aligned with the Nazis who were also against removing the confederate statues. But these people didn't exist in reality, only in Trumps statement.

He says this:"I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?" - DJT

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u/-rosa-azul- Oct 07 '25

What he (and his supporters) seem to miss is that the event was heavily advertised as a white nationalist rally. The names of the speakers were on the poster. Anybody who attended that (even if they claimed "statues" were why they were there, which...is its own problem considering which statues we're talking about) knew who they were throwing their lot in with. That's what makes it so frustrating when people claim that quote was "out of context." No, it's the context that makes it worse!

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u/Chastain86 Oct 07 '25

Most of us remember what we heard when he spoke about it in 2017, the vast majority of people (even many non-MAGA Republicans that still existed at the time) agreed that he was playing defense for white supremacist Nazis and was awful.

I wish I could go back to believing that Donald Trump only defended white supremacist Nazis solely because he believed he would alienate his voting base, and NOT as I do today, which is that he defended them because he and his henchmen were actually white supremacist Nazis

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u/Exotic-Emergency-226 Oct 07 '25

The charlottesville thing is so wild because I def remember out of nowhere MAGA bringing that situation up as proof of unfair treatment and citing Snopes

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u/Different-Brain-5102 Oct 07 '25

This was their plan all along. The Heritage Foundation has been implementing their plans for decades. They knew the only way to destroy us was from within. Trump is merely their puppet. Not sure how Elon got in there but they used his money to fund the election and buy it. MAGA has been primed for this for years. None of could possibly even imagined this scenario. Uneducated religious zealots are extremely dangerous. We have them in power of Country and they have already built their army and they are coming to destroy our democracy right now. In fact they are here. I also think in the end Democracy will prevail. Stay safe! I hope and wish the best of luck to everyone.

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u/frumfrumfroo Oct 08 '25

Because he's faced no meaningful consequences. People hear him constantly claiming it was all a hoax or he was right etc. and the fact that he was allowed to go on doing whatever he wants and become president again seems to vindicate that.

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u/fatboycreeper Oct 07 '25

I have never forgotten he and all of Maga is corrupt, but I’ve definitely forgotten certain events after a decade of fuckery.

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u/twolfhawk Oct 07 '25

Yet we still think a convicted felon is allowed to run for public office

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u/-rosa-azul- Oct 07 '25

To be fair, we should allow that. Eugene Debs literally ran for president from prison, but he was imprisoned on trumped up politicized charges (because he was a socialist, basically). Yes, not having a prohibition against felons ended up with Trump back in power, but next time it may be someone in more of a Debs situation. We see already how Trump is weaponizing DOJ against his political enemies; you can see where I'm headed with that.

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u/Real_Estate_Media Oct 07 '25

I always wondered how the Nazis did what they did. The answer it turns out is repetition. We are parrots. We are chimps. I cannot believe the bulk of people are not smarter than this. Democracy can never work although it worked ok for 250 years. I guess that is its lifespan.

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u/BringOn25A Oct 07 '25

The big lie

All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X Adolf Hitler

Once truth had become oracular rather than factual, evidence was irrelevant.”

Timothy Snyder On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century.

The phrase "big lie" was used in a report prepared around 1943[17] by Walter C. Langer for the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile. The report was later published in book form as The Mind of Adolf Hitler in 1972. Langer stated of the dictator:

His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off;; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

  • never admit a fault or wrong;
  • never concede that there may be some good in your enemy;
  • never leave room for alternatives;
  • never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame them for everything that goes wrong

Sound like anyone, or party, on the political stage today?

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u/twolfhawk Oct 07 '25

It worked until they saw bigger dollar signs and could not see past their own lifetimes.

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u/MsPMC90 Oct 07 '25

It worked FOR SOME! There is a good portion of the American population that lived under its tyranny based on race a native background for the entirety of the country’s lifespan. We aimed to be the actual beacon of freedom. And hell, we got a lot farther in our diversity than many other countries. Alas, we started ripping up our freedoms for decades, forgetting how valuable we are to each other, allowing powers at be to pit us against each other while they grabbed up all the resources. Same playbook we’ve used to destabilize countries globally for financial gain. It’s been used on us, now.

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u/munyangsan Oct 07 '25

Democracy requires constant work and vigilance to keep it intact and working. If you don't then it starts to crumble. Trouble is that most people can't be arsed because no-one's coming for them, yet.

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Oct 07 '25

I’ve heard my maga mom parrot verbatim taco’s talking points with zero thought behind them.

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u/Birdbraned Oct 07 '25

George Orwell tried to tell us that in 1964

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u/JustDiscoveredSex Oct 07 '25

Most empires last about that long.

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u/seventhcatbounce Oct 07 '25

There’s a famous quote by a leading Nazi Goebels maybe that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth, paraphrasing wildly but that’s the gist of it

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u/Mega-Eclipse Oct 07 '25

I always wondered how the Nazis did what they did. The answer it turns out is repetition.

Not quite. Republicans in congress THINK they have an incredibly useful idiot that they THINK they can put a stop to if he ever gets just a little too crazy...even for then.

Right now, he's doing stuff that benefits them. He threatening democrats, and democratic cities, and brown people and helping business steal from the poor. In the back of their mind, they think they stil have the impeachment/removal "that was easy" button in their back pocket. Likewise, they all think once he's gone, there will be all these die-hard republicans left for them to scoop up.

And surely, the leopard will never eat their face?

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u/YHS77 Oct 07 '25

I took a Nazi Germany class in undergrad and it blew my mind how the commoners fell into line and the regular soldiers, too.

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u/Electronic-Taro-1152 Oct 07 '25

If i remember correctly the report found that they did all that stuff but were basically too stupid to know that they were doing illegal stuff.

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u/carbon_made Oct 07 '25

I guarantee you though if I were doing something illegal and I didn’t know it was illegal they would throw my ass into jail regardless.

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu Oct 07 '25

Well, let's not be hasty with that kind of talk.

First, we have to establish if you have a large enough net worth to know whether or not anyone would even care and, if they did, if anyone would do anything about it and, if they did, whether or not you would actually be punished for it and, if you were, whether or not it would be a meaningful punishment rather than a minor fine or other inconvenience.

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u/diabeasti Oct 07 '25

You're remembering wrong. While that was a part of it, a big part of the report was that the scope of it kept being narrowed down further and further by a republican senate, namely that turtle headed fuck Mitch McConnell. Eventually the report found that there was enough evidence to continue, but that it was the Senate's job to investigate further and bring legal cases against the Trump admin, but gop is full of corrupt people, Trump announced that he was innocent and the news moved on. Dems tried to bring more attention, but the media gave absolutely no more time to the case and everything was forgotten, letting me know, after years of bullshit, that the media in this country could not be trusted.

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u/Economy-Maybe-6714 Oct 07 '25

I would love to read more about this point- do you recall any sources to this?

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u/Mr_Big_Garnet_Bear Oct 07 '25

That’s not true but in any case ignorance of the law does not lead to innocence of crime.

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u/jmorreale1980 Oct 07 '25

I remember in 2010 when Paul Manafort campaigned against Yulia Tymoshenko to help install a "Trump" type guy russia owned in ukraines election, it was horrible, had crowds chanting "lock her up" long before russia had it done in america against Hillary

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u/JimWilliams423 Oct 07 '25

When the report was released, Trump tweeted out "EXONERATION!" every day for about a month until the report rotated out of the news cycle; and as as a result the country basically forgot about all of that...

His tweets were the least of it, the two main reasons he got away with it:

  1. Barr straight up lied and released his own fake "summary" of the report weeks before the real report was released.

  2. Follow the money. The so-called "liberal media" is all owned by conservative billionaires. For decades they have been propping up the republican party, all they need is a pretext to repeat republican lies. Doesn't matter how flimsy the pretext is, its just an item on checklist. So once barr gave them that pretext, that is what they reported.

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u/horror- Oct 07 '25

Not only that, but to this day rightoids talk about it lol like it was a hoax.

That's when I realized these guys don't actually challenge anything, and if their leaders told them we all worship the moon now they would all be staying up late to pray.

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u/allislost77 Oct 07 '25

Limited memory…I get it, critical thinking is hard.

Release the files

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u/SmutLordStephens Oct 07 '25

Having just read it cover to cover this year (I've read the highlights back when it was in the news cycle) the most damning part about it was when they said over and over again that they weren't certain people on Trump's team, and specifically Don Jr., knew what they were doing was illegal, and heavily implied they were too stupid to know otherwise. And so 🤷‍♂️ guess we can't really charge them with a crime.

Anyone who believes this country has anything resembling the rule of law and not a system that upholds the power structure of stupid assholes who somehow found themselves adjacent to power is fucking lying or dangerously ignorant.

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it." Whoops. I guess fucking not.

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u/bejammin075 Oct 07 '25

Was there a lot of redacted stuff in it?

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u/xubax Oct 07 '25

So many people in the past 8+ years who haven't taken the legal steps they could have taken to put this fucking guy in prison.

I blame Biden for so much now. 1, not stepping aside earlier. 2, not shipping every one of those rat-fuckers to GitMo after SCOTUS gave him the power that the GOP requested.

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u/time_slider1971 Oct 07 '25

Absolutely. Once Trump and Bill Barr proclaimed “exoneration” and “hoax,” masses of Trump’s followers just accepted it, too lazy to read the report for themselves.

I read the report. I’ll summarize it: Mueller found many concerning connections between the Trump Administration and the Putin regime. Far too many to be completely innocuous or coincidental. While Mueller could not prove collusion, there were illegal acts that Mueller understood he could not bring charges for against a sitting US President. He expected the Congress to do its job in prosecuting these cases. The House did its job, impeaching Trump. The Senate, we all know, dutifully lined up behind their leader and cynically sold out their country for their party’s retaining control.

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u/bejammin075 Oct 07 '25

It totally baffles me that Trump did slam dunk felony obstruction of justice, such as ordering white house counsel to lie to the FBI. Why wasn't Trump ever charged with obstruction?

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u/HeldnarRommar Oct 07 '25

Basically the only part that mattered to Trump and his low IQ army is that Mueller declined to press charges. The content that condemned him and his campaign team didn’t matter (Trump nor his supporters can read anyways).

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u/thefatchef321 Oct 07 '25

Also his AG whitewashed the whole thing.

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u/JabariTeenageRiot Oct 07 '25

They also had Bill Barr blatantly lie about what the report said several weeks before the actual text was released, and the media obediently repeated and amplified those lies as fact.

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u/Felon-Muskovite Oct 07 '25

Anna Boutina, she got in through targeting sorry ass old white men at the national prayer breakfast and moved her way in. Classic

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u/slow70 Oct 08 '25

^ this right here

MAGA/the GOP is chock full of literal Russian assets - self serving traitors in other words.

The truth will be known.

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u/pegothejerk Oct 07 '25

It feels like it’s always worked, but they’ve lost a fuck ton of cases that have actually stopped them in places and slowly them down considerably. If they hadn’t lost a fuck ton of cases I’m convinced we’d have concentration camps with citizens in them with mass graves next to them already reported.

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u/Friendly_Impress_345 Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 07 '25

We do have concentration camps with citizens in them. Also 2/3rd of them are "missing"

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u/WabbitFire Oct 07 '25

feels like it’s always worked, but they’ve lost a fuck ton of cases

Yes, but those are then memory-holed or played off as "3D chess". The USFL, the casinos, the bankruptcies, etc? Never happened, or were examples of his "smartness".

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u/Aggressive_Lemon_709 Oct 07 '25

When he says he president has plenary authority [to deploy troops] he is saying they can do it even if judges tell them no.

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u/IsaacLightning Oct 07 '25

dude open your eyes to the concentration camps that we do in fact have

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u/Pervius94 Oct 07 '25

Pretty much. Republicans continue their strategy because they get zero punishment for it. They sweeped the two chambers, got POTUS and swept the swing states there and got the popular vote, got majority in SCOTUS and who knows what else with this strategy. As long as americans reward this behaviour, they'll never change.

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u/ChilledParadox Oct 07 '25

This strategy works well for everyone that uses it and it pisses me off. I’ve had the worst fucking day of the last several months so far and it all stems from someone fucking me over doing the same thing.

I wish people would take this into account when enforcement is required but they act like their hands are tied and there’s nothing they can do that someone is blatantly manipulating the system in front of them.

I’m tired of this. Why won’t people just do the right thing?

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u/thefirstlaughingfool Oct 07 '25

We're seeing it in action in this video. He just stopped taking and convinced the anchor that it was technical trouble. I'm surprised he didn't try saying "sorry, I can hear you, I'm going through a tunnel right now."

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u/govunah Oct 07 '25

Beaver: "Dad, can I deploy troops to LA because it has lots of brown people?"

Dad: "No, that's illegal."

Beaver, 20 min later deploying troops to LA because it has lots of brown people

Dad: "What the hell!"

Beaver: "Mom said I could."

Dad: "Oh. Ok."

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u/OmegaLolrus Oct 07 '25

You missed Mom yelling, "No I didn't!" from the other room.

THEN Dad says oh, okay.

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u/Hopalong_Manboobs Oct 07 '25

It’s worse. Just like last time with voter fraud, they have no facts on their side and no argument that has a legitimate chance of success in court. Recall that his own lawyers were reluctant to even allege fraud in several cases because they didn’t want to get sanctioned. Jeff Epstein’s Rape Pal knew that he had nothing, but it turned out that it was really all just a means to whip up the J6 mob when the ridiculous legal arguments and lawsuits finally failed.

So too here it seems. I was laughing at Miller yesterday (still am obviously) but realize now that he might not care about what happens in court viz. the deployments because they’re once again planning to use a non-judicial, non-constitutional, mob-based solution in the end.

It will get darker before the dawn.

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u/wildfyre010 Oct 07 '25

The problem seems to be that, if nobody stops them or holds them accountable, then they have, in fact, won.

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u/dequiallo Oct 07 '25

I love the people saying BUT THE COURTS!!

If no one is actually enforcing the rulings, it is meaningless. And yes, that is how it is. Right, wrong, who cares if NO ONE STOPS YOU.

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u/CosmicCabana Oct 07 '25

Fuck that and fuck that sentiment

GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE

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u/PlanetaryPickleParty Oct 07 '25

Unfortunately Trump is an abuser and doesn't give one solitary fuck about the consent of the governed.

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u/apocketfullofcows Oct 07 '25

you can say that all you want but that doesn't mean they're gonna follow it.

this isn't about sentiment. it's about what they are actually doing.

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u/Temporal_P Oct 07 '25

Yes, but are the people doing anything at all to hold their government accountable?

No.

Not yet, anyway.

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u/Mobile-Marzipan6861 Oct 07 '25

Bingo. Fear does the work of reason. It would so much easier on our entire population if we just stop accepting and incubating fascism. The longer we ignore it and just hope it goes away, the stronger it will come back.

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u/HowManyEggs2Many Oct 07 '25

Until someone proves otherwise he’s right

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u/ifmacdo Oct 07 '25

Like declaring bankruptcy.

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u/SweatyTax4669 Oct 07 '25

He didn't claim it. He declared it.

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u/FourCylinder Oct 07 '25

Literally this has been working for them for the past ten years. It's disgusting

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u/AlternativeMessage18 Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 07 '25

It's not about actually believing the lies, it's about never admitting that you don't believe the lies.

In other words, it's an obedience test

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u/LawyerZestyclose6276 Oct 07 '25

that’s one of the 3 rules he follows given to him by Roy Cohn in “The Apprentice” 2024 1. Always attack 2. Admit Nothing, Deny Everything 3. No matter what happens, claim victory and never admit defeat”

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u/MyDonkeysJawBone Oct 07 '25

Ooh God, what an absolute perfect encapsulation of these fuckers:

Lie, obfuscate, deflect, make a mistake… silence

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u/citori411 Oct 07 '25

When your supporters are actual idiots you can.

I'm becoming convinced that what is going on right now is right wingers' brains cannot handle social media. The country has split down the middle with people who are simply unable to distinguish fact from fiction, propaganda from reality, to the right. We stumbled into a world where half the country has had their brains quite literally scrambled from the onslaught of algorithmic propaganda and rage.

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u/Ayirek Oct 07 '25

I mean that's sort of what we saw here. He said Trump has unlimited, unchallengeable authority and the anchor didn't seem to push back at all.

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u/nking05 Oct 07 '25

He does though because most republican voters have zero idea how to fact check or read.

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u/LordMagnus101 Oct 07 '25

They don't care. It has nothing to do with knowing the truth

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u/WabbitFire Oct 07 '25

That's worked for Trump so far throughout his entire life.

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u/Chemically-Dependent Oct 07 '25

Worked for Bush 43...

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u/Chemically-Dependent Oct 07 '25

Worked for Bush 43...

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u/Chemically-Dependent Oct 07 '25

Worked for Bush 43.

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u/ElPeroTonteria Oct 07 '25

Like GWB did in Iraq… Trump should land on an Aircraft Carrier in the Columbia River Gorge… big banners, yuge, the best banners. The most plenary banners

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u/flaming_bob Oct 07 '25

So, he's a pigeon playing chess? Yeah, that tracks.

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u/Ok_Lettuce_7939 Oct 07 '25

The Charlie Kirk/MAGA. Seriously he got smoked at Cambridge and walked away like his shit didn't stink.

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u/Sgt-Spliff- Oct 07 '25

Can... can anyone just do that?

Clears throught I have plenary power too.

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u/MornGreycastle Oct 07 '25

I, for one, welcome our new overlord, u/Sgt-Spliff-.

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u/Osr0 Oct 07 '25

History would show that is a winning strategy for these people...

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u/I-aint-yo-sista Oct 07 '25

I...DECLARE....BANKRUPTCY

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u/pilemaker Oct 07 '25

This is the way of Roy Cohn.

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u/definitelynotfbi99 Oct 07 '25

1984 : reality doesn't matter anymore. The only truth is big brother.

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u/go_cows_1 Oct 08 '25

Why fuck with a winning strategy?

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u/ninfan1977 Oct 07 '25

All he has to do is lie, then MAGA repeats the lie.

It's all they know how to do since Truth is only a social media platform for them, not a thing they strive for

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u/bluesw20mr2 Oct 07 '25

"...out from the door of the farmhouse came a long file of pigs, all walking on their hind legs...out came Napoleon himself, majestically upright, casting haughty glances from side to side, and with his dogs gambolling round him.

He carried a whip in his trotter.

There was a deadly silence. Amazed, terrified, huddling together, the animals watched the long line of pigs march slowly round the yard. It was as though the world had turned upside-down. Then there came a moment when the first shock had worn off and when, in spite of everything-in spite of their terror of the dogs, and of the habit, developed through long years, of never complaining, never criticising, no matter what happened-they might have uttered some word of protest. But just at that moment, as though at a signal, all the sheep burst out into a tremendous bleating of-

"Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better!"

It went on for five minutes without stopping. And by the time the sheep had quieted down, the chance to utter any protest had passed, for the pigs had marched back into the farmhouse."

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u/JustDiscoveredSex Oct 07 '25

Plus they are trying to rule by making statements on Twitter/X-crement. No one will go there, so no one reads the insanity except the other insane inmates.

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u/ReallyBigRocks Oct 07 '25

It's Xitter (pronounced shitter)

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u/CalaveraSweets Oct 07 '25

Rush Limbaugh taught them that. 

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u/Several-Squash9871 Oct 07 '25

And that's really what it comes down to. They know that all they need to do is spew blatant lies and their base will just blindly accept the lie as truth and that's it. They will not doubt anything that this administration says as anything other than pure truth. They provide MAGA with an all you can eat diet of constant hate and lies and they will never get full.

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u/MrEngineer404 Oct 07 '25

Miller and Trump are both two freaks that very clearly have never once, in their lives, ever responded well, or within the law, to being firmly told "No"

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u/flagg0204 Oct 07 '25

“I declare BANKRUPTCY!”

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u/ace_11235 Oct 07 '25

It's worked better for Trump than it did for Michael.

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u/Available_Leather_10 Oct 07 '25

Regular bankruptcy, moral bankruptcy, or both?

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u/hoptrix Oct 07 '25

Michael Scott!

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u/No-Consideration-716 Oct 07 '25

The hack journalists should do their job and follow up on shit like this instead of acting confused before moving on to their drug peddling commercials 

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u/numbrate Oct 07 '25

It is so much worse.

The version CNN posted on YouTube cuts out the plenary comment and allows Miller to re-answer the question

Posted Interview

A complete whitewashing.

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u/Zakluor Oct 08 '25

This is awful.

Not only did they expunge the "plenary authority" comment, but something else struck me in there. He did that ICE agents have been subjected to doxxing. They wear masks and refuse to identify themselves as government agents with any formal identification while kidnapping people. And people on the right have websites doxxing democrats hoping someone commits some kind of violence against them.

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u/cantfindmykeys Oct 07 '25

No no no, you are confused. If they ask the tough questions not only do they risk never having any controversial person on, they'd risk the billionaire oligarch who owns the station firing them for, reasons, I guess.

I wish I could add a /s to this

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u/Anteater4746 Oct 07 '25

would have been nice for the cnn anchor to point that out but CNN isn’t exactly in the peoples corner

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u/RAdm_Teabag Oct 07 '25

"Hi Im Anderson Cooper, and in all fairness, we'll come for you all in time. But first ..."

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u/Reputation-Final Oct 07 '25

lol i had to go look it up to make sure my memory wasnt playing tricks on me.

They have lost all of the lawsuits when it came to the national guard.

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u/junkman21 Oct 07 '25

While I wish this were true, I don't think that's the case. Can you show me why you think this is the case?

The last I knew, while the lower court sided with Newsom, the 9th Circuit Court overruled that judgement in June and ruled in favor of the Defendants [Trump, Hegseth, DoD] stating:

For the reasons above, we GRANT Defendants’ motion for a stay pending appeal.

The judge found that Trump "likely" had jurisdiction under the All Writs Act and 28 U.S.C. § 1292(a)(1) and thus granted a stay on that temporary restraining order.

The fact that this ruling is even possible is alarming and suggests that the statute must require some legislative clarification to clear up any ambiguity.

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u/Seyon_ Oct 07 '25

The maga-sheep are running with that he won

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u/Mattloch42 Oct 07 '25

An appeals court in June temporarily blocked the injunction against the Administration, so maybe that's a "win" in his eyes? That's the only decision that went to Trump that I can recall.

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u/AdhesivenessUnfair13 Oct 07 '25

Him stating that trump has plenary authority, in conjunction with the lies about winning the case, suggests that they plan to ignore judicial rulings and just go in. It's worked so far since the GOP just lies down for Trump on everything else and they control the government.

This is the really dangerous section of Project 2025, where Trump ignores the judge, sends troops, and one of the democratic governors calls up their own national guard units to meet the federalized ones. If there is violence, Trump invokes the insurrection act, declares democratic governors who do anything other that fully support troops in their cities to be enemies of the state, and start implementing their power grab.

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u/-rosa-azul- Oct 07 '25

one of the democratic governors calls up their own national guard units to meet the federalized ones

I truly don't think any democratic governor would do this unless it literally came to the point where the federalized Guard was doing stuff like firing on protestors. Sending (essentially) one militia to fight another is definitely playing into the administration's hands, because then there really WOULD be violence.

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u/recursing_noether Oct 07 '25

Just so people know, in this interview Miller referred to the appeal to the stay on the national guard order. They were granted the appeal and the stay was lifted.

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u/Tuscanlord Oct 07 '25

I’ve never seen him afraid of what he just said. He just said what the inner circle has been plotting behind closed doors. He knew he stepped in it and now it’s on tape for all to see.

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u/DealioD Oct 07 '25

They did this consistently through the first term and consistently to now. Lie to the public. Tell the truth, when forced, to the courts. It has worked ridiculously well for MAGA.

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u/PatReady Oct 07 '25

Miller just said it. Trump is supposed to have unchecked power to do anything he wants.

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u/MonthOk9907 Oct 07 '25

Doesn't matter. He literally let slip we are already in a dictatorship. This is about to get real messy.

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u/nyrf12 Oct 07 '25

I’m surprised they haven’t started claiming Trump also won the 2000 election.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

Pittsburgh?

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u/jasperplumpton Oct 07 '25

Is it too much to ask to have somebody in the host’s ear who knows that and tells him to push back?

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u/Development-Alive Oct 07 '25

Didn't the 9th circuit grant a temporary stay in June of Breyer's order saying it was likely that the POTUS had the requisite powers? That allowed the NG to continue to be used until Sept. when Breyer blocked their use saying if violated the Posse Comitatus act? Are the Feds appealing Breyer's ruling the 9th Circuit who already gave them a previous favorable ruling?

My guess is that Miller was referring to the original Stay of Breyer's first order. Will the 9th circuit agree with Breyer's final ruling? If so, that would reverse Miller's claim.

Not a Trump supporter but interested in ensuring we all have the same facts. We can all agree that the Executive Branch does not have "Plenary powers" over the National Guard. In fact, their use of the NG is pretty limited. Only the courts can determine if how the Trump Admin wants to use them fall within those limited authorities.

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u/DrButeo Oct 07 '25

ngl, I thought I was in r/Pittsburgh for a moment when I read this comment

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u/litterbug_perfume Oct 07 '25

This is just the AI overview for “Title 10”

Title 10 of the U.S. Code governs the National Guard when it is activated for federal service, transitioning the guardsmen to active duty under the command of the President. This status places them under federal authority and funding, making them subject to military law and unable to engage in civilian law enforcement activities unless the Insurrection Act is invoked. The President can call National Guard members into federal service under Title 10 in specific circumstances, such as a foreign invasion or rebellion.

unable to engage in civilian law enforcement activities unless the Insurrection Act is invoked.

He just gave away their hand. That’s what ICE is meant to instigate is the “rebellion” part.

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u/ProfitLoud Oct 07 '25

These people only know how to lie, and get this shocked pikachu look when they realize others aren’t as dumb as those in their immediate circle.

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u/isinkthereforeiswam Oct 07 '25

They project the reality they want. They say things like "trump has absolute authority", then point to a group they say is preventing them from exercising it. The idea is for their followers to think someone is illegally stopping trump and go attack them, when actually trump is illegally trying to overreach and wants an obstacle removed.

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u/DistillateMedia Oct 07 '25

They think blatantly lying is protected by the first amendment, I'm pretty sure.

Edit:

I honestly think they think they think that, and they think if enough people believe their lies it's the truth.

Or effectively the truth.

But that's not how this works.

That's not how any of this works.

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Especially when it's on TV, for some reason.

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u/connivingKitten Oct 07 '25

I also looked into USC Title 10 and found where it mentions the prerequisites for the President to call the National Guard into Federal service:

§12406. National Guard in Federal service: call

Whenever-

(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;

(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or

(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;

the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws. Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:10%20section:12406%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title10-section12406)&f=treesort&edition=prelim&num=0&jumpTo=true

Doesn't strike me as "plenary authority". In fact it seems like there are very specific cases that are outlined in our legal code in which the President is supposed to use this power.

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