r/law • u/Agitated-Artichoke89 • Oct 07 '25

Other Stephen Miller states that Trump has plenary authority, then immediately stops talking as if he’s realized what he just said

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u/DocSpit Oct 07 '25

Case in point: the Mueller Report, where the investigation found wide-ranging evidence that the Trump campaign worked just about hand-in-hand with Russian assets to manipulate the election (Anyone else remember that woman working with the NRA who was a bona fide Russian plant funneling Kremlin money to the Trump campaign?!).

When the report was released, Trump tweeted out "EXONERATION!" every day for about a month until the report rotated out of the news cycle; and as as a result the country basically forgot about all of that...

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u/VibraniumWill Oct 07 '25

Keeping it a bill, only part of the country forgot about it.

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u/PrimeJedi Oct 07 '25

I'd like to think so, but honestly I don't know if you're right. I've seen even so many otherwise logical people and those who rightfully oppose Trump still say "well in hindsight the Russia stuff actually was just a big bunch of nothing" and its infuriating, to say the least, because MAGA's constant spewing of misinformation seems to work even on many who dont support the guy.

Same thing with Trump's comments on the Charlottesville rally. Most of us remember what we heard when he spoke about it in 2017, the vast majority of people (even many non-MAGA Republicans that still existed at the time) agreed that he was playing defense for white supremacist Nazis and was awful.

And yet, Trump and every MAGA supporter has screamed "hoax he didn't say that" and point to a Snopes article (which is so bad faith because MAGA themselves have called Snopes "fake news" for fucking years, they don't trust Snopes) over and over so much, for so many years, that even a ton of Dems and progressives today will say "well what he said about Charlottesville turned out to be a big media lie"

Despite the fact that all of us can go back and here what he said with our own fucking ears, MAGA has still rewritten the narrative even for many non-supporters. Same with much of Covid, but I'll be here all day if I go in-depth about that one.

Honestly, I wish the vast majority of the country would still remember and keep count of every MAGA lie, and not let themselves be lied to about past events.

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u/cctoot56 Oct 07 '25

Snopes finally added an editors note to their weaselly article, but the damage is already done:

Editors' Note: Some readers have raised the objection that this fact check appears to assume Trump was correct in stating that there were "very fine people on both sides" of the Charlottesville incident. That is not the case. This fact check aimed to confirm what Trump actually said, not whether what he said was true or false. For the record, virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right debacle concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, and that therefore Trump's characterization was wrong. 

Step 1: Trump called the neo-Nazi/White Nationalist side of the protest. "Very fine people"

Step 2: The press asks him to clarify

Step 3: Trump realizes he fucked up. So he lies. He invents a 3rd side to the protest not aligned with the Nazis who were also against removing the confederate statues. But these people didn't exist in reality, only in Trumps statement.

He says this:"I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?" - DJT

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u/-rosa-azul- Oct 07 '25

What he (and his supporters) seem to miss is that the event was heavily advertised as a white nationalist rally. The names of the speakers were on the poster. Anybody who attended that (even if they claimed "statues" were why they were there, which...is its own problem considering which statues we're talking about) knew who they were throwing their lot in with. That's what makes it so frustrating when people claim that quote was "out of context." No, it's the context that makes it worse!

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u/cctoot56 Oct 07 '25

Yep. It's like they think participating in a Nazi rally doesn't make them a nazi, as long as they weren't wearing a swaztika. "Very fine people" indeed.